Formula 1 Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021Formula 1
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Lewis didn't deserve that. Yes, the way he got off very lightly in regards to the gap he got on lap 1 was borderline criminal, but he absolutely mugged Max off the line and he had him at arms length pretty much the entire race in terms of pace. The only way he was losing that race/championship was via a mechanical, a puncture... or a SC/Red flag.
And as someone who started the year willing Max on to give Lewis a real run for his money, for once in my life I'm agreeing with the Twitter hivemind. Nevermind all the preceding "what ifs" (Baku/Silverstone e.t.c.)...
It was daylight (twilight) robbery.
And as someone who started the year willing Max on to give Lewis a real run for his money, for once in my life I'm agreeing with the Twitter hivemind. Nevermind all the preceding "what ifs" (Baku/Silverstone e.t.c.)...
It was daylight (twilight) robbery.
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They wouldn't even have to sue, all they would have to do is seriously threaten to leave and it would bring the series to it's knees. It wouldn't be like Ferrari's empty threats either since the F1 team isn't a core part of their overall brand.
Why would Lewis pit when there was no guarantee the race would actually return to green?
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Max is champion of nothing until the FIA prizegiving ceremony 6 days from now. The confirmation of the results is delayed to allow for any protests or disqualifications from the results of the last race.
It would be a mess, but the FIA could decide to take action if there’s a formal complaint.
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They didn't want to risk a red flag or the race not restarting. If they pitted, RB would stay out and likely get ahead of Lewis on track. As I said at the time, it's a damned if they did or damned if they don't kind of situation. If they pitted and it stayed Safety Car to the end, they'd have thrown it away.
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Absolutely none of that “I’m neutral but” nonsense excuses the decision made it. It’s 1 way or the other, not conveniently only let the cars in between the title fighters by and then immediately go racing. Either it ends under SC or Max has to fight through the field in a much faster car than them.
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One good thing about this is it allows some fans here to show their true colors.
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Just to go back to the SC-Rules and letting overtaken cars passed:
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If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.
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When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system and the car's orange lights will be extinguished. This will be the signal to the teams Competitors and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.
At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than ten car lengths behind it.
In order to avoid the likelihood of accidents before the safety car returns to the pits, from the point at which the lights on the car are turned out drivers must proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the restart.
Not a professional but I didn't saw this happen on track... Not applying your own rules is a bit questionable apart from saying this and than deciding the other way round (again).
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If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.
39.13
When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system and the car's orange lights will be extinguished. This will be the signal to the teams Competitors and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.
At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than ten car lengths behind it.
In order to avoid the likelihood of accidents before the safety car returns to the pits, from the point at which the lights on the car are turned out drivers must proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the restart.
Not a professional but I didn't saw this happen on track... Not applying your own rules is a bit questionable apart from saying this and than deciding the other way round (again).
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Verstappen wouldn't have had a free pit stop if Bottas was able to keep pace.
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That Latifi, driving the Mercedes’ powered car that Toto Wolff owns shares in.
Some people. 😅
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I mean, it was commented on repeatedly at the time, but Mercedes didn't want to cede track position to Verstappen because... yeah, he'd intentionally run Hamilton off.
It's all very well saying "dOn'T sAy MaX wIlL iNtEnTiOnAlLy RuN lEwIs OfF", but it's an entirely genuine concern given that it's happened seven times this season already, including lap one of this race:
And of course you'll have a hard time being convinced of it if you just shut down that entire concept going into the discussion. It's like saying "you'll have a hard time convincing me that attempted murder is wrong (and don't say people have the right not to be murdered)" - but then that's Jos, rather than Max, Verstappen.
Also, how was Mercedes supposed to predict a lap 53 safety car on lap 30 in order to give Hamilton the tyres he needed?
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It's a shame that the safety car was such a farce because that final lap was exactly what F1 was and should have been. The two title contenders battling it out with one lap to go and the two of them side-by-side for multiple straights and corners. Out of context (which we know the highlights will make it) that was a fitting end to such a close season.
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So, with this season and the manufacturing of the results, I’m keeping distance from anything involved with Libery Media.
The FIA is hard to dodge in terms of racing, but it’s safe to say I won’t be watching live F1 much until things clearly change.
I also planned to go to the Japanese GP in 2022, but I’d rather take my time and enjoy other forms of racing.
The FIA is hard to dodge in terms of racing, but it’s safe to say I won’t be watching live F1 much until things clearly change.
I also planned to go to the Japanese GP in 2022, but I’d rather take my time and enjoy other forms of racing.
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If you still lose 14 seconds under a SC stop how does Max end up right behind Lewis
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MotoGP should be at Japan in and around the same time. With a bit of luck.
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Yeah. People were dismissing Crashgate in the same manner in F1fanatic.net before the scandal blew up. And it ended up being real. I'm not saying that Latifi did it on purpose, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so even if there's the slightest evidence that no foul play happened from his end I'd be happy to accept that. Plus as I said the corrupt ones here were Masi and perhaps Liberty. But asking a couple of questions such as to how Latifi lost his car in that turn when he was at the back not racing for anything seems sensible to me. After all race fixing in such an unbelievable manner, and I was one of the ones saying surely not when rumours first emerged of 08's Crahsgate. It's just that. What I do think that makes this particular scenario highly, highly unlikely is that they're not even running in the same team which is why I asked if there was some tie to Red Bull management.
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So, not a Braves fan anymore either?
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One of the worst seasons… come on man
