Formula 1 Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021Formula 1

[Grayfox]

did we ever hear why Checo was retired? Seemed super odd and abrupt, no explanation given on the radio and Checo himself saying really?!

Engine trouble I think.
Last thing RB wanted was him dieing on track extending SC

 

[forcemotorsport]

Congratulations to the F1 Champion... whoever it might be at the end...

 

[Dennisch]

Championship shenanigans aside, there's another elephant in the room that hasn't been discussed.

They modified the track to make the racing more attractive. It actually didn't do ****. Even DRS wasn't helping here for most of the race.

 

[McLaren]

Marko decided he needed to also throw in his 2 cents once again; claims they could leave.

After the rejected protest by Mercedes against the race result at the Formula 1 final in Abu Dhabi, Red Bull motorsport consultant Helmut Marko shot sharply at the big competitor. "It is unworthy of a World Cup final that the decision is delayed like that. But that speaks in favor of the attitude of an, I would say, unworthy loser, if you lodge such objections and protests," says Marko.

He suspects that Mercedes is an insult to honor. "We broke this seven-year dominance with a young guy and a young, motivated team," says Marko, adding: "It's disgusting what you did after the race to protest that it was clear that he wasn't will work. This is a very bad loser for me. "

Mercedes has left an official objection to the decision of the stewards open, but Marko no longer cares. "We do not care. We are the moral winner, whether it comes one way or the other," he clarifies. At the same time, the 78-year-old is openly threatening to leave Formula 1 if nothing changes in certain circumstances.

"We will rethink our involvement in Formula 1, if that does not have the corresponding effects on the future championships," he says clearly. What he specifically calls for is a revision of the rules and the decision-making processes in the premier class.

"Unwürdige Verlierer": Marko attackiert Mercedes und droht mit RB-Ausstieg!

Helmut Marko attackiert Mercedes nach deren Protest in Abu Dhabi scharf und droht mit einem Ausstieg von Red Bull aus der Formel 1, sollte sich nicht einiges ändern

m.motorsport-total.com

Also for @ROAD_DOGG33J & @Famine who were discussing the wording. A lawyer on Twitter also chimed in on it with ya'll.

 

[Com Fox]

One good thing to come about this is that I've just cancelled my subscription to Kayo Sports which is the streaming service that has F1 rights in Australia. So I'll be 25 dollars richer per month, woohoo!

Was that your only reason for Kayo? If so I understand but if you're into the other sports on it, might as well keep it

 

[GroupB]

The modifications also led to the race being 3 laps longer than in 2020. Not that that made any difference…

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Same vibes. Massive respect for both men for holding their composure. I've known people lose their **** over a lot less.




Replaced the vid with twitter because it keeps getting taken down.

Honestly, I've been proud to say I'm an F1 fan for 20+ years, but after last night I'm a bit embarrassed to admit it in public now. It's not a sport anymore, it's just a thinly veiled puppetry with cars.

 

[Famine]

claims they could leave

 

[Fat Tyre]

Was that your only reason for Kayo? If so I understand but if you're into the other sports on it, might as well keep it

Yes that was my only reason. I tried getting into other sports and I did enjoy watching a few games of the NBA finals but aside from F1 I practically don't like watching sports. Not even other forms of Motorsport that much.

 

[toastet]

Championship shenanigans aside, there's another elephant in the room that hasn't been discussed.

They modified the track to make the racing more attractive. It actually didn't do ****. Even DRS wasn't helping here for most of the race.

Biggest problem is still the chicane between the two long straights and the hotel-sector which just wasn't improved enough and still has the corners lean to the outside off-camber and sharp corner radii. Also they stole the biggest overtaking spot after the second long straight since it now leads into the banked carousel corner with only one line.
They made the track more flowing and I'm sure it is better to drive than before but they didn't create a overtaking spot. Sharp turns/chicanes are only useful at end of straights. Not in between or before straights. They tried it with removing the chicane in front of the ferrari world but this still gets killed by the hotel section and entry + exit from the pitstraight. I don't know why they didn't made a flowing corner from hotel exit to start/finish and opened the first corner and also made the 3 corners from exit caroussel to entry under the hotel into one big flowing 200° turn removing the first 90° entry. At this point there is the space they could've created a flowing section with different lines leading into the 90° under the hotel. So you could force your opponent onto the inside line after the straight and line him up to overtake into the hotel entry. Would be more helpful than the new carousel which could still be a 70/80° left turn as overtaking spot/preparing overtake spot.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

If I remember correctly, Lewis's display was showing one lap less. It's like the car was telling him in advance what would happen. I was worried all race something like this would happen and them not pitting under VSC will come back to bite them. They knew as well they were at risk of safety car and punctures yet did nothing about it with so much of the race to go. Sergio was crucial in that by reducing the control Lewis had on the race but they still had the speed to know they will be able to get Max at that stage. Valtteri having to swap to older engine was quite costly too as gave Red Bull flexibility to do anything all race.

I just hope Lewis stays on. It must take a lot of energy to do this for so long at that level and this year he seemed the most dedicated. It must be quite lonely due to the pandemic too. It was great to see him performing at his best the last four races.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Championship shenanigans aside, there's another elephant in the room that hasn't been discussed.

They modified the track to make the racing more attractive. It actually didn't do ****. Even DRS wasn't helping here for most of the race.

I didn't even notice the changes. The track retains most of the same character. Probably a nice chunk of money for not a whole lot of difference.

Marko decided he needed to also throw in his 2 cents once again; claims they could leave.

"Unwürdige Verlierer": Marko attackiert Mercedes und droht mit RB-Ausstieg!

Helmut Marko attackiert Mercedes nach deren Protest in Abu Dhabi scharf und droht mit einem Ausstieg von Red Bull aus der Formel 1, sollte sich nicht einiges ändern

m.motorsport-total.com

Also for @ROAD_DOGG33J & @Famine who were discussing the wording. A lawyer on Twitter also chimed in on it with ya'll.

Yeah that's kind of the area where my thoughts were.

If I remember correctly, Lewis's display was showing one lap less. It's like the car was telling him in advance what would happen. I was worried all race something like this would happen and them not pitting under VSC will come back to bite them. They knew as well they were at risk of safety car and punctures yet did nothing about it with so much of the race to go. Sergio was crucial in that by reducing the control Lewis had on the race but they still had the speed to know they will be able to get Max at that stage. Valtteri having to swap to older engine was quite costly too as gave Red Bull flexibility to do anything all race.

I just hope Lewis stays on. It must take a lot of energy to do this for so long at that level and this year he seemed the most dedicated. It must be quite lonely due to the pandemic too. It was great to see him performing at his best the last four races.

I think it was 3 laps less, which is the amount of laps on the old circuit layout used.

 

[ScottPuss20]

What would you rather, a dull safety car finish or a crazy green flag finish? I'd take a crazy green flag finish every day of the week. For me, motorsport is entertainment and I want excitement instead of boredom, otherwise I feel like I've wasted my time. Perhaps I'm in the minority but nothing will top this race and this season for entertainment. I will not speak about race direction because that's a completely different issue; no point blaming Verstappen and Red Bull for taking advantage of the situation.

Well done to Verstappen for keeping the faith, even when the cards were down. That's admirable because not many drivers have been able to take the fight to Hamilton. You cannot take that away from him, controversial circumstances or not. In that regard, he deserves it. About time someone else won the championship.

 

[Demon Drone]

Most toxic team in F1. Probably ever.

 

[toastet]

wrote that into our group chat when VSC came: they (Merc) should cover a SC at the end. even if they had to give up the track position to Max. but it is just too much risk. someone could be blowing his engine (last race of the year, all with old engines) could stop or crash or (I didn't hope that and didn't really believe it) RB could make a dirty move with 3 cars available from 2 teams causing a sc.

 

[McLaren]

What would you rather, a dull safety car finish or a crazy green flag finish? I'd take a crazy green flag finish every day of the week. For me, motorsport is entertainment and I want excitement instead of boredom, otherwise I feel like I've wasted my time. Perhaps I'm in the minority but nothing will top this race and this season for entertainment. I will not speak about race direction because that's a completely different issue; no point blaming Verstappen and Red Bull for taking advantage of the situation. Mercedes could've done the exact same thing with Hamilton but they didn't so that's on them.

How do you figure that? Before it went off the rails, it was either finish under SC or Max has to run through 5 cars to get to Lewis. There was no reason for Mercedes to pit and gamble the race that way when both scenarios played into their hands.

 

[ScottPuss20]

How do you figure that? Before it went off the rails, it was either finish under SC or Max has to run through 5 cars to get to Lewis. There was no reason for Mercedes to pit and gamble the race that way when both scenarios played into their hands.

delete

 

[pumaATTACK]

Mercedes could've covered off Verstappen during the VSC by pitting Hamilton and getting him on a fresher set of tyres. They could've done the same during the proper SC for Latifi, no?

No. Max would have passed him in the pits.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Also for @ROAD_DOGG33J & @Famine who were discussing the wording. A lawyer on Twitter also chimed in on it with ya'll.

The word "any" will be the most debated since Bill Clinton's definition of "is." In every context I can think of, any is ultimately an inclusive word.

Of course, the FIA is arguing that the language in that regulation is not relevant anyways because the regulation after that, 48.13, overruled it. From what I can tell, nothing in the regulations allow one to override another in such a fashion, especially when one is in the process of being invoked. It doesn't help that the entire section is written in a way that it follows a logical chronological order from deployment to recall. It would not make sense to, say, immediately deploy a safety car and then recall the safety car ten seconds later.

Side note: there was a time in my career where I did compliance audits. Dissecting verbiage came with the territory.

 

[Blitz24]

Mercedes could've covered off Verstappen during the VSC by pitting Hamilton and getting him on a fresher set of tyres. They could've done the same during the proper SC for Latifi, no?

Max had the advantage of being in 2nd here. If Hamilton came to box, Max would have stayed out and if the race didn't go back to green, Max wins the championship behind the SC and Hamilton literally threw it away. Everything that happened ended up in Max's favor due to the circumstances involved.

 

[ScottPuss20]

delete

 

[pumaATTACK]

Are you sure about that?

Yes.

 

[Terronium-12]

Marko decided he needed to also throw in his 2 cents once again; claims they could leave.

Shut the 🤬 up, Marko. Please. Now and forever. No one wants to hear your tired ass opinions or thoughts on anything...

 

[ScottPuss20]

delete

 

[ShiftingGears]

Great race from Tsunoda, easily his best race.

 

[Com Fox]

What would you rather, a dull safety car finish or a crazy green flag finish? I'd take a crazy green flag finish every day of the week. For me, motorsport is entertainment and I want excitement instead of boredom, otherwise I feel like I've wasted my time. Perhaps I'm in the minority but nothing will top this race and this season for entertainment. I will not speak about race direction because that's a completely different issue; no point blaming Verstappen and Red Bull for taking advantage of the situation.

Well done to Verstappen for keeping the faith, even when the cards were down. That's admirable because not many drivers have been able to take the fight to Hamilton. You cannot take that away from him, controversial circumstances or not. In that regard, he deserves it. About time someone else won the championship.

If it happens to end under SC, so be it. Incidents caused it to happen and everyone is aware of the rules going in.

Throwing the rule book they set, out the window at the last second for a dedicated finish does the opposite of a good finish, comes across as staged, unprofessional and feels forced. At least NASCARs Green-White-Checkered rule is actually Set in stone.

Crazy finishes are only great when we let it happen by itself. Super GT and IMSA are great examples of this, this season

 

[GingerBredMan]

All I gotta say is I couldn’t think of a worse ‘thank you’ gift than a lifetime supply of Red Bull. Are they trying to kill the guy?

 

[Grayfox]

One good thing to come about this is that I've just cancelled my subscription to Kayo Sports which is the streaming service that has F1 rights in Australia. So I'll be 25 dollars richer per month, woohoo!

Kayo is owned by Foxtel.

I wish the FIA would stop with these "Exclusive" viewing rights.
But I watched on an online stream, occasional buffer but overall not too bad.
I would like F1 TV Pro and would gladly pay for it as having multiple views is a nice and watching past races is damn sweet too boot.
But that wont happen till 2025 or so.

 

[sumbrownkid]

So how about Sainz beating Leclerc in the standings?

 

[ScottPuss20]

If it happens to end under SC, so be it. Incidents caused it to happen and everyone is aware of the rules going in.

Throwing the rule book they set, out the window at the last second for a dedicated finish does the opposite of a good finish, comes across as staged, unprofessional and feels forced. At least NASCARs Green-White-Checkered rule is actually Set in stone.

Crazy finishes are only great when we let it happen by itself. Super GT and IMSA are great examples of this, this season

So you want to have boring finishes? If there's an opportunity for the race to be restarted, why shouldn't it be?