Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017Formula 1

[JayOTT]

Forget the F1, this is the main attraction of the weekend. Does this count as 'equal machinery ermahgawd'...

 

[TenEightyOne]

Forget the F1, this is the main attraction of the weekend.

Cool, they stopped running this a couple of years ago... good to see it back. I give McLaren 25m before they blow a barrel.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Charlie Whiting issues warning about chicane cutting: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129994/fia-clamps-down-on-corner-cutting-in-canada

 

[BrainsBush]

And again issues for Honda/Alonso....had to stop the car because of hydraulic problems. This is a not so good development for the team

 

[TenEightyOne]

Alonso has broken down and throws his headrest onto the ground in disgust-a.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Would Honda's corporate culture have anything to do with their performance? I've heard they have to do everything in Japan and that it takes a lot longer to get things done.

I feel any time we're talking about a Japanese company doing stuff out of Japan with an international group based in another country, culture is always conflicting, which is finally a talking point this weekend in regards to the relationship that is going bust. I feel Honda like other giants in Japan have too much pride when things go wrong, and not enough humility to acknowledge their shortcomings.

Alonso has broken down and throws his headrest onto the ground in disgust-a.

Probably started walking back to the garage singing Earth, Wind and Fire's "September". Just so the team doesn't forget.

 

[JayOTT]

It's moments like these that make me think that there's no such thing as being too harsh on Honda for everything they've not achieved since returning. One of the worst engines a major manufacturer has built for F1 in a long time.

 

[Infinital-NG]

FP1 results. Sorry for bad formatting.

POS, Number, Name, Team, Time, # Laps

1 44 Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 1:13.809 36
2 5 Sebastian Vettel FERRARI 1:14.007 +0.198s 28
3 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 1:14.046 +0.237s 21
4 7 Kimi Räikkönen FERRARI 1:14.230 +0.421s 28
5 11 Sergio Perez FORCE INDIA MERCEDES 1:14.578 +0.769s 34
6 31 Esteban Ocon FORCE INDIA MERCEDES 1:14.785 +0.976s 35
7 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 1:14.861 +1.052s 19
8 19 Felipe Massa WILLIAMS MERCEDES 1:15.106 +1.297s 31
9 3 Daniel Ricciardo RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 1:15.441 +1.632s 23
10 26 Daniil Kvyat TORO ROSSO 1:15.658 +1.849s 26
11 2 Stoffel Vandoorne MCLAREN HONDA 1:15.943 +2.134s 29
12 20 Kevin Magnussen HAAS FERRARI 1:16.233 +2.424s 25
13 18 Lance Stroll WILLIAMS MERCEDES 1:16.313 +2.504s 36
14 8 Romain Grosjean HAAS FERRARI 1:16.345 +2.536s 18
15 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:16.473 +2.664s 27
16 14 Fernando Alonso MCLAREN HONDA 1:16.521 +2.712s 13
17 9 Marcus Ericsson SAUBER FERRARI 1:16.805 +2.996s 24
18 30 Jolyon Palmer RENAULT 1:17.004 +3.195s 26
19 94 Pascal Wehrlein SAUBER FERRARI 1:17.606 +3.797s 28
20 55 Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO 1

 

[TenEightyOne]

10 mins into FP2 and Alonso's still waiting for his car to be repaired.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

10 mins into FP2 and Alonso's still waiting for his car to be repaired.

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Still singing "September" as well.

If someone told me 3 years ago, if it was possible for Alonso to have a worse falling out than Ferrari, I'd have not believed it.

 

[IforceV8]

I would bet these two fools will be taking their future pictures from their hotel room once their press passes are revoked.

 

[Dennisch]

I would bet these two fools will be taking their future pictures from their hotel room once their press passes are revoked.

Did they cause that red flag?

 

[Jimlaad43]

Did they cause that red flag?

No, verstappen's gearbox going pop did.

 

[IforceV8]

No, verstappen's gearbox going pop did.

Did it? If I remember it right NBC came back from a commercial to the red flag and they played Kimi on the radio saying there were strange people on the track. Either way it is another massive fail by the people in charge of the track and track security.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Did it? If I remember it right NBC came back from a commercial to the red flag and they played Kimi on the radio saying there were strange people on the track. Either way it is another massive fail by the people in charge of the track and track security.

Yes, there was only one red flag in FP2 and that was caused by Verstappen stopping with a broken gearbox. I presume those fools went onto the track soon before the flag or immediately after as Raikkonnen spotted them when he was circulating.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Would Honda's corporate culture have anything to do with their performance? I've heard they have to do everything in Japan and that it takes a lot longer to get things done.

I'm not sure. Toyota went from a rookie team in 2002, to a solid midfielder in 2003 scoring points on a consistent basis. Yes, they did have an incredible budget, but you really need the brains. I'm wondering if Honda is lacking the brains as mentioned by @Mike_grpA .

 

[TenEightyOne]

I'm not sure. Toyota went from a rookie team in 2002, to a solid midfielder in 2003 scoring points on a consistent basis.

And they were based in Germany

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

And they were based in Germany

And still are, the LMP team is just a roll over of the F1 team.

 

[Whodoyouthink]

I think I've noticed a consistency/pattern across all the big series in racing, it seems Honda isn't just having issues in F1, but in other series as well. They just are failing the hardest in F1. MotoGP they still are relatively competitive, but compared to their Italian counterparts, they are slightly behind in terms of pure motor development. Same goes for Italian motors, they seem to be flourishing a bit for this year.

Even though it's different teams, personnel, even different locations for factories, it seems consistency can be found for teams that race in different series.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I think I've noticed a consistency/pattern across all the big series in racing, it seems Honda isn't just having issues in F1, but in other series as well. They just are failing the hardest in F1. MotoGP they still are relatively competitive, but compared to their Italian counterparts, they are slightly behind in terms of pure motor development. Same goes for Italian motors, they seem to be flourishing a bit for this year.

Even though it's different teams, personnel, even different locations for factories, it seems consistency can be found for teams that race in different series.

In moto gp yeah you're right, but WSBK they're horrid. Which is why a guy like Hayden was hired (may he rest in peace), to help them get to speed. Indy car isn't really their achievement, the HQ is a California group with Honda money. Everything else Honda is just silly, and I worry for another great team builder who will use the Japanese firm next year to go racing.

 

[RACECAR]

In moto gp yeah you're right, but WSBK they're horrid. Which is why a guy like Hayden was hired (may he rest in peace), to help them get to speed. Indy car isn't really their achievement, the HQ is a California group with Honda money. Everything else Honda is just silly, and I worry for another great team builder who will use the Japanese firm next year to go racing.

Considering they've been horribly managed AND at times they finished worst then McLaren (when they didn't blow up), its not like they stand to lose much. I'd almost say they've lost themselves anyhow so Apart from the smallest chance of surviving in F1 financially, what's left to fight for?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Considering they've been horribly managed AND at times they finished worst then McLaren (when they didn't blow up), its not like they stand to lose much. I'd almost say they've lost themselves anyhow so Apart from the smallest chance of surviving in F1 financially, what's left to fight for?

I think you're talking about Sauber, I'm not talking about them. Whatever legacy Peter left, Monisha destroyed with her bs. I think the Honda grab is the best move, next to former Audi Tech director being brought over. What I was speaking on was Roger Penske.

 

[RACECAR]

I think you're talking about Sauber, I'm not talking about them. Whatever legacy Peter left, Monisha destroyed with her bs. I think the Honda grab is the best move, next to former Audi Tech director being brought over. What I was speaking on was Roger Penske.

Honestly, I'm not worried about anyone in a US series with Honda (especially Roger Penske) as its mostly HPD doing the work and doing a far better job. Anyone outside the US though, I do agree. The fact that even their efforts in their home series has been abysmal has got to be setting off some red flags in Japan.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Honestly, I'm not worried about anyone in a US series with Honda (especially Roger Penske) as its mostly HPD doing the work and doing a far better job. Anyone outside the US though, I do agree. The fact that even their efforts in their home series has been abysmal has got to be setting off some red flags in Japan.

I thought I read that the deal was done with Japan HQ, but I could see it being done with HPD yet again.

 

[TIE94]

About that red flag yesterday...

 

[watertank]

what is it with Canada and marshalls falling over?

 

[jontikis]

what is it with Canada and marshalls falling over?

The groundhog which Anthony Davidson hit in 2007 cursed them.

 

[05XR8]

Practicing break dance moves.

 

[TenEightyOne]

what is it with Canada and marshalls falling over?

That's just not funny. This one didn't die... but still not funny.

 

[mustafur]

That's just not funny. This one didn't die... but still not funny.

Agree not dramatic enough.