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Incase anyone in the UK missed the race, highlights are on Channel 4 from 7.15-7.20 pm.
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Still too long
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I believe, in esscence, the rule nowadays is that if you cannot rejoin the circuit if you require mechanical assistance. Marshals pushing is fine; being lifted by tractor is not. The rule was put in place after Hamilton's incident in 2007, but did not exist prior to that.
I assume you're talking about 1989? The rule Senna was DSQ'd for, which no longer exists in that form, was shortcutting the course. When he rejoined he didn't return to the circuit at the point he left it, so was deemed to have shortcut the chicane, and was disqualified. The marshal intervention had no bearing on Senna's disqualification.
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It's amazing they had anything to show, could have just watched the last 30 seconds.
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So according to the F1 website they say that Bottas did move before the start, however the tolerance limit is not set after the lights have gone out, but before - and he was within that (undisclosed) limit.
So it seems it really was a jump start, but a perfectly legal one.
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Alex Wurz described the situation pretty accurately on the Austrian TV.
He said that the sensors are positioned right where the T-Tray starts and that there is a tolerance to the movement they can see.
Every change in position that is shorter than 30 mm is within that space and doesn't set off the jump-start allert.
He said that the sensors are positioned right where the T-Tray starts and that there is a tolerance to the movement they can see.
Every change in position that is shorter than 30 mm is within that space and doesn't set off the jump-start allert.
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Based on this information I would argue that Bottas got the start inch perfect.
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The race was so exciting that people now argue over 30mm. :lol
What bugs me personally is that this rule has been in place forever and people act like it's something new...
Wasn't a jump start and if it were it would have triggered an alert in race control. End of story.
And because I think Famine asked it, I think the guy that sets the starting lights off, or however you wanna call it, is Charlie Whiting - or maybe someone else who's job it is to just do that, it's not a different person each race though. There's also no determined time frame for it as far I know, the person who sets the start signal is only supposed to not take too long (probably around 10 seconds) because the engines might be overheating otherwise.
They explained this on RTL a couple of years ago, so I don't remember exactly, but that's the gist of it.
What bugs me personally is that this rule has been in place forever and people act like it's something new...
Wasn't a jump start and if it were it would have triggered an alert in race control. End of story.
And because I think Famine asked it, I think the guy that sets the starting lights off, or however you wanna call it, is Charlie Whiting - or maybe someone else who's job it is to just do that, it's not a different person each race though. There's also no determined time frame for it as far I know, the person who sets the start signal is only supposed to not take too long (probably around 10 seconds) because the engines might be overheating otherwise.
They explained this on RTL a couple of years ago, so I don't remember exactly, but that's the gist of it.
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That was Spa 2012 if that's the one you're talking about (the race with THAT first corner smash). The team's explanation was that Maldonado's fingers slipped off the clutch.
As for today's race... what does Verstappen have to do to get a working car? Is the gearbox problem with Renault (Tag Heuer) or Red Bull?
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The start sequence is randomised. Charlie Whiting has no control over when the lights actually go out. Once he is satisfied that the grid has formed properly, he activates the start procedure. From that point on, his job is to abort the start if something goes wrong.
When all five lights are on, they will stay on for anywhere between three and seven seconds. It's done that way so that drivers cannot accurately predict the start.
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Oh yes, that's what they said, thanks. I knew I was missing something, I couldn't imagine Charlie Whiting standing there counting to 3 every race lol. And yes, it has to be an automated process otherwise it would be way too predictable.
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It's never been tested like this before. Bottas was just hundreths of a second away from jumping the start. Want to see what his start looked like? Get a stopwatch and start it and stop it as quickly as possible. Chances are you will have pressed the button twice in two tenths of a second - and that's just you moving your thumb. Now imagine Bottas having to balance the throttle and clutch while responding to a visual stimulus several metres away.
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A shame the race wasn't a few laps longer, but at least it didn't end a couple of laps earlier! Suspected it might be a straight forward result after Hamilton's penalty, but Bottas did a great job both in qualifying and the race. Really proving why Ferrari need to replace Raikkonen in 2018. Not much else to talk about really though...
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They're making the same mistakes that they did a few years ago when they kept renewing Massa's contract. Ferrari are probably the most conservative team when it comes to changing their line-up because they only take established drivers and the usually only do multi-year deals. It's a problem because they're eyeing off Max Verstappen, but unless they want to pay a king's ransom to get him, he won't be available until 2019. If they really want to replace Räikkönen, they might have to do something radical - like taking Charles Leclerc for a year. If he works out, they may not need Verstappen.
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Didn't someone post there have been much quicker, legal starts though?
Also I just did.
http://i.imgur.com/oxrunMK.jpg
It's easy. But I can't do it any faster to be honest.
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Yeah, that's part of my overall point, I want consistency.
I'm not a fan of the time penalties (those that do not require an extra stop), as they allow too much strategic flexibility.
It seems like they have an idea of the type of penalties one might receive in particular circumstances. It would be nice if that was published, so fans would know what to expect.
An analogy is American football. Nearly all penalties are standardized. Certainly some are subjective in the judgement of whether they occurred, but we know if a lineman is caught holding, that will result in a 10 yard penalty and repeat of the down.
There's nothing like that in F1 (or motorsport in general), which is one of the reasons we end up in discussions like this.
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That doesn't sound right to me though. In a sport where everything is calculated to thousanths of a second, how can a start system be out by 0.200 seconds?!
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