Forza 5 Is A Major Dissapointment, Will DLC Save It?

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I enjoyed Forza 4 way more than GT5 for reasons I will not get into. I have not played forza 4 for a while though and I am really discouraged from playing it, I am banned on xbox live, I finished the career mode in Forza 4, I didn't wanna do all of the Event list, playing online is so much more fun then that.

So this has lead me to find a new car game. I was hoping Forza 5 could replace my urge to play Forza 4 again but it can't. The only thing different about Forza 5 is it has better graphics and better car AI because of drivatars, of course it has some new cars and tracks but that is expected anyway. Forza 4 had more tracks and 400 cars at launch. WTF is wrong with turn 10? Why waste so many resources to make 200 cars fully compatible with Auto Vistas? People don't spend much time in that, that is just some leisurely activity, something that is non-essential to the game itself. They could have added another 200 cars. Also, the DLC policies are PATHETIC, only 200 cars and you still must pay for some.

What they should have done was include every car in the game from Forza 4 including the Unicorn cars but making them accessible cars, they could have converted them to their new game engine. Then they should have added 200 brand new cars in addition to that.

But no, turn 10 only releases 200 cars with some stuck behind paid DLC and a 60$ DLC pack for access to future DLC. What the hell are they thinking? There is not even a course editor, night racing or weather.

If DLC packs don't add at least 300 cars then I am not buying this game, total lack of content with the fools focusing on auto vistas.

I can only hope GT6 improves upon the major faults that made me hate to the GT series, all they must improve on is sound and the addition of custom paint designs and I will never touch a Forza game again.
 
The game is horrible and I will not be buying an Xbox One for this title like I previously thought I would. 200 cars to start with new cars means many of the cars from Forza 4 did not make the cut. The beloved S13 coupe has dissapeared from the game entirely. The tuning options have not changed from the old games, maybe beside the bad idea of allowing LS swaps in non GM cars is just a cash grab for the casuals. The car models still have clunkers that arent good by any means( See R32 headlamps ) . Painting and chrome wheels are great but I cannot justify buying FM0.5 for $499
 
HELLAFLUSH240SX
The game is horrible and I will not be buying an Xbox One for this title like I previously thought I would. 200 cars to start with new cars means many of the cars from Forza 4 did not make the cut. The beloved S13 coupe has dissapeared from the game entirely. The tuning options have not changed from the old games, maybe beside the bad idea of allowing LS swaps in non GM cars is just a cash grab for the casuals. The car models still have clunkers that arent good by any means( See R32 headlamps ) . Painting and chrome wheels are great but I cannot justify buying FM0.5 for $499
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How are LS swaps on no GM cars a "bad idea". That really makes no sense at all I guess it's to realistic for you, oh dear?! Also yeah there are some reasons those cars didn't make it to the game for example the ALMS cars are no longer contracted through ALMS and thus are now gone and other issues like that also. Then there is simply just car being taken out and probably be put back in later. It's no wonder a certain other series hasn't done the lower car idea in years, with people whinging as if they actually race each car when they don't...
 
Well, I too was a bit mystified. 14 tracks plus their variations. And no Nurb? I'm like, WHAT?!?!?! And no Porsche, Grrrrrrrr!! Anyway, 200 cars to start I'm OK with. Loading up my garage with every car in GT5 was painful, and in the end, I only used about half of the cars. FM5 gives me better choices and less headache. The lack of night, weather etc. is a bit of a disappointment too. Rally on dirt? I hope, but I have not ventured their yet, as I am not a seasoned veteran on the controller. I am waiting for my Thrustmaster wheel to arrive first week of Dec. to really enjoy the experience.

Sadly or lucky for me, I have the means of buying every DLC it can throw at us. Yes, they get my money, and yes I spend it, but I do it for the love of the game. It does seem FM5 is a bit watered down. I am sure it will be improved over time, but I'm afraid we may have to pay for it.
 
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Macrinus
If DLC packs don't add at least 300 cars then I am not buying this game, total lack of content with the fools focusing on auto vistas.
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You've got a lot of money to spend (on top of the cost of the game and the system) if you want that many cars added with the DLC being so expensive compared to 4.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
How are LS swaps on no GM cars a "bad idea". That really makes no sense at all I guess it's to realistic for you, oh dear?! Also yeah there are some reasons those cars didn't make it to the game for example the ALMS cars are no longer contracted through ALMS and thus are now gone and other issues like that also. Then there is simply just car being taken out and probably be put back in later. It's no wonder a certain other series hasn't done the lower car idea in years, with people whinging as if they actually race each car when they don't...
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So you know my FM4 usage of cars? Nice you must be like a psychic or something. I didnt consistently race every single car in the game. With a car garage of 300 cars, 20k miles driven, 200+ hours spent driving alone I dont see how you can make that assumption. I havent driven every single car in the game, but I can honestly say Ive driven them most multiple times, as well as having a large number of them in my garage. How can you say something like that when I have more cars in my previous gen garage, than in the entire next gen game catalog. The engine swaps make the game less fun for me, now I have to put up with LS swapped Miatas in the drift lobbies( if there is still drift lobbies).
 
HELLAFLUSH240SX
So you know my FM4 usage of cars? Nice you must be like a psychic or something.
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In my spare time I've been known to help the local police force find Timmy in the well with my mystic psychic powers.
Anyways, I'm sure you'll say that you used each car to some decent level since no one can prove or disprove it. The usage talk was a generalization and not toward you like the LS comment. To say 200 cars isn't enough variation shows the attachment to bloated numbers.

I didnt consistently race every single car in the game. With a car garage of 300 cars, 20k miles driven, 200+ hours spent driving alone I dont see how you can make that assumption.
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Read comment above, it goes toward FM player mentality and GT players actually it goes toward all casual console sim racers.

I havent driven every single car in the game, but I can honestly say Ive driven them most multiple times, as well as having a large number of them in my garage.
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What, you haven't driven every car in the game like my comment suggested about most people who play these games, but you decided to defend as if you do? :dopey::confused:

How can you say something like that when I have more cars in my previous gen garage, than in the entire next gen game catalog. The engine swaps make the game less fun for me, now I have to put up with LS swapped Miatas in the drift lobbies( if there is still drift lobbies).
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Nothing indicates there wont be drifting in this game. They probably will bring more tracks and a lot more cars. The issues is you still haven't explained other than "I don't like them in other cars", why they shouldn't be there.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
In my spare time I've been known to help the local police force find Timmy in the well with my mystic psychic powers.
Anyways, I'm sure you'll say that you used each car to some decent level since no one can prove or disprove it. The usage talk was a generalization and not toward you like the LS comment. To say 200 cars isn't enough variation shows the attachment to bloated numbers.


response It's not an attachment to numbers as if I would be happy to say Forza 5 has 1000 cars take that [insert game series here] , but to go from a game where they said they maxed the system out with 400 on disk cars that are simply amazing, to go to a next gen system, use the blu ray disk that allows GT to squeeze everything they can in on the PS3 to get 200 CARS total on disk? Seriously? They couldnt even give us the 690 or so that were in the previous game? Not even 300? Not even. 200 cars is fine, but when they removed more than half the cars in the previous game and call it next gen, I cannot support that. Maybe your favorite cars didnt make the cut, but mine did and it sucks. I am not the only one feeling this type of way. Look at the Forza.net forums. Full of people upset about the game.



[qoute]Read comment above, it goes toward FM player mentality and GT players actually it goes toward all casual console sim racers.


What, you haven't driven every car in the game like my comment suggested about most people who play these games, but you decided to defend as if you do? :dopey::confused:

response Yes I havent driven every car in the game as I had not bought the last 2 DLC packs for the game. I apologize those 20 cars mean I cannot talk about the car count. 670/690 is not enough seat time.[/qoute]
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The lack of cars does not bother me. I understand that they needed to be upgraded in order to look good in the next-gen environment. The new physics sure sounds great from what I've heard! Much better than cars on ice in Forza 4. The new paintshop sounds great too! No more using up layers for carbon fiber, and from what I've seen they got better at making interior materials looking like more than just textures.

What irks me is their approach to DLC. Day one DLC? I get that some content won't be finished between the game going gold and the game launching, so just add it in as a free update? It makes me believe that this content was actually finished, they just wanted to get the money for it. (Not the first time MS has done that)

Another thing is the track list. No Nurburgring? You would think that with all the talk about improving the tracks, and with all the people excited about the Nurburgring being one of those tracks, they would have improved it and placed it in the game. Instead it has been added to a list of tracks cut from previous games that are "Set to return at a later date" which means DLC. Paid DLC.

Graphics are nice but most materials, namely Alcantara like materials, still don't look right. With all this talk about new graphics you would think that materials used in the interior of the car would look realistic. They're certainly better, but they aren't good enough, and I expected more for a "Next-Gen" game.

Finally it's the whole Fanatec wheel compatibility thing. Obviously it was a choice done by Microsoft, however Turn 10 is basically a section of Microsoft Game Studios that got renamed. You would think being the sole developers for a racing game exclusive on Xbox One that they would have some sway on the developers at MS to offer compatibility of Fanatec wheels (At least an adapter). They didn't, probably because they would get a slice of the pie from the Thrustmaster License.

Is it a good game? I would wager that yes, it is a good game. Am I jealous of the people that have it? Yes.... Yes I am. I want the game, I really do. However a better decision for me is to wait a year or two when the next Forza game comes out. More content, cheaper system, maybe something worked out with wheels, and more features. Right now it feels like someone took Forza 4, upgraded the eye candy, and took away a lot of things to keep up with the Next-Gen console. The problem is nothing was really revolutionized from Forza 4. It's basically the same game, no new features besides painting materials and Drivatar.

You know what though? That's okay because it's a launch game. People seem to think that the game should take a leap like Forza 1-Forza 4 and that just isn't possibly. When you compare it to Forza 1-Forza 2 then you see that the difference. By Forza 6 we will see a whole lot more content, a lot more features (Upgraded Drivatar, night/weather maybe?), better graphics, and better physics, for the same price. I am a supporter of Turn 10 and Forza, and love when a new game of theirs comes out. Sure Forza 5 isn't everything that people expected, because it just wouldn't have happened with a Launch game. The game is great for what it does though, showing what is the bare minimum standard on racing for Xbox One.
 
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You say it's not an attachment yet you keep complaining about the number of cars as if it shapes the overall game, you don't talk about the improved HUD, or the physics due to the XB1 or the updated AI and other features that were updated. You purely seem to care about numbers (doesn't matter how many times you say you dont), there have been many actual software workers on this forum that have explained the numbers of GT5/GT6. Secondly this is the first time I know of that T10 has got to do Blu-ray, and from what they've told the public rather than doing ports like they and others have done, they rather give better quality. Nurb as far as FM went wasn't great and I'm glad they took it out to do it correctly. I don't think we should be given a product that isn't constantly up to date and just ported over and cleaned up.

No one says those "20" enable you from talking about the count, but you only put your foot in your mouth when you go on this tangent about me not knowing your car history and then you prove me right by saying you in fact haven't driven every car. You further perpetuate this by saying that you driven a portion of those 670 to great lengths and the others not so much. Point is FM is trying to move into the world of being a true sim.
 
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LMSCorvetteGT2
No one says those "20" enable you from talking about the count, but you only put your foot in your mouth when you go on this tangent about me not knowing your car history and then you prove me right by saying you in fact haven't driven every car. You further perpetuate this by saying that you driven a portion of those 670 to great lengths and the others not so much. Point is FM is trying to move into the world of being a true sim.
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Him not driving every car shouldn't be an argument against him complaining about the lack of cars. What if those 400-500 cars that were cut contained all of the ones he did drive?
I know you're going to say he should give the others a shot but the chances are that once you've driven enough cars you know what works for you and what doesn't. What you like driving and what you'd rather avoid.
I am enjoying FM5 quite a bit but will not be purchasing it til FM5U is released. I believe that will be closer to the "full" game that T10 wanted to release.
 
eSZee
Him not driving every car shouldn't be an argument against him complaining about the lack of cars. What if those 400-500 cars that were cut contained all of the ones he did drive?
I know you're going to say he should give the others a shot but the chances are that once you've driven enough cars you know what works for you and what doesn't. What you like driving and what you'd rather avoid.
I am enjoying FM5 quite a bit but will not be purchasing it til FM5U is released. I believe that will be closer to the "full" game that T10 wanted to release.
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Not really he did just tell us that he lost one of his favorite cars, and I didn't give him any insight. The point that is being made is that people are getting to use to the idea of several of hundreds of cars. Really a few things should be considered no top tier sims have any where close the the detailed number that GT has much less FM5. More importantly is that I doubt those 670 were driven to any equalized limit, and if they were in the time frames he suggested, someone should call Guinness. I'm sure there is more T10 wanted but have a two year deadline to work in that would make PD cringe, in reality I don't care what he does I'm not here to give much advice just defend a position.
 
HELLAFLUSH240SX
allowing LS swaps in non GM cars
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This is one of the best new features I've heard of in a racing game.

What is the world coming to when people think there are anti-manufacturer force fields in engine bays?

The engine swaps make the game less fun for me, now I have to put up with LS swapped Miatas in the drift lobbies( if there is still drift lobbies).
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Just like in real life. The horror.




Forza 5's car list is disappointing. I'd be OK with it if it wasn't most likely due to pointless overmodeling of the cars. But somehow, graphics sell.
 
VXR
I've only driven four cars in FM5 and each one feels better than any I've driven elsewhere.
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Haha! I was actually going to post the very same thing! Well, I'm actually up to 5.

LeadFootLiam
Forza 5 is not impressive at all. It looks the exact same as 4 with lighting changes.
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I take it you haven't played it then? Are you of the, "judge it by the looks of a low-quality YouTube video" variety?
 
HAL20XX
Haha! I was actually going to post the very same thing! Well, I'm actually up to 5.

I take it you haven't played it then? Are you of the, "judge it by the looks of a low-quality YouTube video" variety?
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Have not played no. Never will, since I am a PS guy.
 
Well, who is responsible for your feeling of disappointment?

With next gen demands on model quality it was perhaps not very wise to expect 700 cars.
A certain other game carried over content from one generation to the next, but that's hardly the industry standard (and hardly unanimously favoured by the customers) so that's no reason to expect that to happen here as well.

And at the end of the day, 200 cars is still more than most other driving games can offer.

LeadFootLiam
Have not played no. Never will, since I am a PS guy.
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I hope you don't want anyone to believe you're unbiased, because after that statement you pretty much made it impossible.
 
I don't have the game and system but I would not say it is a major disappointment from what I have seen so far. But the lack of cars sucks. The lack of tracks sucks. No Nurburg ring? Really? No auction house or storefront? No wheel support for older wheels. They sure love their systems proprietary! Then the cash grab with the DLC. Why would anyone want to defend T10 for all those flaws or schemes? I believe most complaints are legit. So since it is a launch title it is acceptable for them to do it that way? This is almost 2014 and there are plenty of examples on how to make it even better. It is not like years ago with old systems/games/world wide web that have little ideas or examples to go with.

Don't Forza people own wheels? Do they all play with game pads? Would they really prefer FM5 with a game pad over GT6 GT5 or FM4 or Shift =P with a wheel and cockpit? Is FM5 that good to say the hell with wheels and cockpits?!

*edit* I will leave this here just in case someone has not ran across the discussions yet. Something to kill time with and maybe open up some eyes. Defenders of T10 and MS should stay away.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=721448

http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/Forza-5s-monetisation-is-a-monumental-rip-off



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=733666
 
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