Forza 5 Is A Major Dissapointment, Will DLC Save It?

[VXR]

The handling with sim steering and TC/STM turned off using a control pad will not suffer fools gladly. Play fast and loose with the balance of the car and it will get away from you pretty quickly.

 

[phillgt2002]

That's like a country saying "This war is catastrophic. Will more guns stop it?"

While it may do some buffering, it won't completely fix it.

 

[McLaren]

I love this argument that has become the current-talk of FM5. It's quite obvious that T10 (& Polyphony now looking at it) were screwed either way. Either they take the time to update the cars to a higher standard (some being cars the community has been crying about since Forza 2; "OMGZ, they don't listen to us!!"), & in return, be forced to leave some behind due to time constraints to be a launch title. Or, they follow PD's route by adding new cars & leaving in the "standards" & then we get the arguments going on in the GT section; "I'm not buying FM5 with a crappy [insertcar/track] here! Everything should be the same quality!"

The Nurburgring debate has its merits, but I'm cutting T10 slack. The track has been a recycled PGR2 model & everyone knows its virtually remained unchanged in its inaccuracies for a long, long time. It having a 2-month delay from the game's launch just leads me, in my view, to believe they just underestimated the time or had certain walls they ran into trying to model a completely brand new version. It most likely being DLC is going to be a hard pill to swallow, but if it lives up to GT's, I'll more than likely bite the bullet to finally have a proper Nurburgring on the Xbox.

 

[mister dog]

^ Not to mention that they would have to laser scan and recreate a 20km long track.

 

[Wolfe]

If people can be disappointed in this game with car physics as fun as these, you're in the wrong hobby.

Physics are almost everything to me -- I still play good old Enthusia, while my interest in the latest racing games comes and goes -- but a good physics engine won't make up for a lack of tracks/cars, or else I'd still be playing Live for Speed like I used to. Tracks are the big thing, and I'm not impressed with FM5's offerings. The number of cars seems fine, though I wish they would have kept/added more and focused less on pumping extreme detail into them.

I'm really happy to hear that Turn 10 bumped things up in the physics department as promised, but personally, that's not enough by itself to justify an XBone + HDTV + FM5 + DLC. I don't have cavernous pockets, and I can always fire up LFS if I want top-notch physics.

 

[MXH]

I'm currently reading the official FM.net forums. Seems to be a lot of mixed reactions. More negative than positive impressions though or so it appears at least - mainly due to MT, DLC, lack of community features and few tracks. Fifth game curse?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

^ Not to mention that they would have to laser scan and recreate a 20km long track.

Exactly I'm guessing not too many people car or understand why T10 has done this and just like to look at numbers.

 

[TokoTurismo]

The Nurburgring debate has its merits, but I'm cutting T10 slack. The track has been a recycled PGR2 model & everyone knows its virtually remained unchanged in its inaccuracies for a long, long time. It having a 2-month delay from the game's launch just leads me, in my view, to believe they just underestimated the time or had certain walls they ran into trying to model a completely brand new version. It most likely being DLC is going to be a hard pill to swallow, but if it lives up to GT's, I'll more than likely bite the bullet to finally have a proper Nurburgring on the Xbox.

I completely agree with you Mclaren, no doubt. Although, I still believe that T10 should've delayed FM5 a year just to finish some stuff that needed finishing, so they wouldn't have gained the crap they have now.

I'm currently reading the official FM.net forums. Seems to be a lot of mixed reactions. More negative than positive impressions though or so it appears at least - mainly due to MT, DLC, lack of community features and few tracks. Fifth game curse?

I've noticed this too, and it's usually the fifth curse for racing games. The community features I'm very surprised was taken out.

 

[McLaren]

I completely agree with you Mclaren, no doubt. Although, I still believe that T10 should've delayed FM5 a year just to finish some stuff that needed finishing, so they wouldn't have gained the crap they have now.

I don't want to, but I agree judging by what was left out. I rest the blame on MS though, as I'm sure they wanted something other than NFS Rivals as a launch title racing game.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I don't want to, but I agree judging by what was left out. I rest the blame on MS though, as I'm sure they wanted something other than NFS Rivals as a launch title racing game.

Agreed, basically they wanted a sim racer and a arcade racer for their system at launch it seems.

 

[eSZee]

Wonder if Dan is pissed they made his team push out FM5 much earlier than he wanted?

 

[TokoTurismo]

Wonder if Dan is pissed they made his team push out FM5 much earlier than he wanted?

He has to be, to the point he'll probably want to leave MS. I know I would if I was pushed. :\

 

[McLaren]

I don't think Dan is that disappointed. I'm sure the paycheck MS gives him & his staff is enough to keep him around. The only way to go from here is to continue making improvements through updates. Who knows? They may just change some things around in a week or 2.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Indeed.

 

[chromatic9]

T10 are very busy updating the game. The self entitlement grows by the year doesn't it. You should be thankful you have something worthwhile to play at launch.

The value is pretty extreme for these special games GT and Forza. To update them is an enormous task that keeps growing.

PS3 had GT HD at launch, one track and like 10 cars. GT5p was hardly a game which came out 1-1.5 years after. GT5 came out 4 years after PS3 launched, and was made to look like poor value compared to Forza.

Maybe wait a few months and grab FM5 at half price?

I'd really wait till Forza 6 before calling BS

 

[eSZee]

He has to be, to the point he'll probably want to leave MS. I know I would if I was pushed. :\

I don't think he's that kind of guy to be honest.

I don't think Dan is that disappointed. I'm sure the paycheck MS gives him & his staff is enough to keep him around. The only way to go from here is to continue making improvements through updates. Who knows? They may just change some things around in a week or 2.

You're probably right.

 

[TokoTurismo]

T10 are very busy updating the game. The self entitlement grows by the year doesn't it.

You should be thankful you have something worthwhile to play at launch.

Of course. Just like @McLaren said, they'll be updating the game.

I don't think he's that kind of guy to be honest.

True. 👍 If it was EA however, run.

 

[eSZee]

You should be thankful you have something worthwhile to play at launch.

Nothing to be thankful for. Forza has never been a launch title and I feel FM5 is showing why that has been the case.

 

[LoveBeautiful]

I hope Forza 6 will be great.

 

[chromatic9]

Nothing to be thankful for. Forza has never been a launch title and I feel FM5 is showing why that has been the case.

I'd rather have FM5 than nothing if I owned a Xbox One. I don't think the content is bad value in general at this time.

 

[eSZee]

I'd rather have FM5 than nothing if I owned a Xbox One. I don't think the content is bad value in general at this time.

If there was no FM5, would you have an xbone?

 

[Joey D]

I don't like it as much as I liked 4, but it's by no means a disappointment. The driving mechanics feel great and, while admittedly overdone, the models look excellent too.

 

[chromatic9]

If there was no FM5, would you have an xbone?

I don't have the Xbox One.

If the console wasn't £429 and more like £300 I'd have bought it. If it was £300 and no Forza 5 I wouldn't buy it so in theory yes I would be thankful. If I won the XBO or someone bought it for me I'd be thankful for Forza 5 being there.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

@HELLAFLUSH240SX
You say it's not an attachment yet you keep complaining about the number of cars as if it shapes the overall game, you don't talk about the improved HUD, or the physics due to the XB1 or the updated AI and other features that were updated. You purely seem to care about numbers (doesn't matter how many times you say you dont), there have been many actual software workers on this forum that have explained the numbers of GT5/GT6. Secondly this is the first time I know of that T10 has got to do Blu-ray, and from what they've told the public rather than doing ports like they and others have done, they rather give better quality. Nurb as far as FM went wasn't great and I'm glad they took it out to do it correctly. I don't think we should be given a product that isn't constantly up to date and just ported over and cleaned up.

No one says those "20" enable you from talking about the count, but you only put your foot in your mouth when you go on this tangent about me not knowing your car history and then you prove me right by saying you in fact haven't driven every car. You further perpetuate this by saying that you driven a portion of those 670 to great lengths and the others not so much. Point is FM is trying to move into the world of being a true sim.

I care about the cars

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I care about the cars

Meaning? You care so much yet it's an injustice to cross manufacture specs, that's a true car enthusiasts right there I guess I've been doing it wrong all these years

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Meaning? You care so much yet it's an injustice to cross manufacture specs, that's a true car enthusiasts right there I guess I've been doing it wrong all these years

What? I'm just saying a lot of the cars I enjoyed in Forza 4 didn't make the cut. It's a shame.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What? I'm just saying a lot of the cars I enjoyed in Forza 4 didn't make the cut. It's a shame.

Yeah it is but for the reason I'd say it's not, they're trying to actually give a quality to each car and others could learn from that. I much rather wait and have it done right which is the same I've said about GT too.

 

[Exorcet]

T10 are very busy updating the game. The self entitlement grows by the year doesn't it. You should be thankful you have something worthwhile to play at launch.

The words of critics should always be welcome. If people don't like what's going on here, they should say so. Maybe it will prevent it from happening again.

I'm ready to vote down any attempt at Autovista from ever showing up again because it's a waste of resources as far as I'm concerned, even if I understand why they'd put it in the game.

I wouldn't really compare GT HD or GT5P to FM5 though. The first was very clearly a demo and was even free. 5P was never meant to be a full game, and even full GT5, while it took a while doesn't seem to by a "typical" case.

 

[mister dog]

T10 are very busy updating the game. The self entitlement grows by the year doesn't it. You should be thankful you have something worthwhile to play at launch.

The value is pretty extreme for these special games GT and Forza. To update them is an enormous task that keeps growing.

PS3 had GT HD at launch, one track and like 10 cars. GT5p was hardly a game which came out 1-1.5 years after. GT5 came out 4 years after PS3 launched, and was made to look like poor value compared to Forza.

Maybe wait a few months and grab FM5 at half price?

I'd really wait till Forza 6 before calling BS

Hear hear!
Also funny to read the fanboys at fm.net are raging.

 

[McLaren]

The words of critics should always be welcome. If people don't like what's going on here, they should say so. Maybe it will prevent it from happening again.

I'm ready to vote down any attempt at Autovista from ever showing up again because it's a waste of resources as far as I'm concerned, even if I understand why they'd put it in the game.

I wouldn't really compare GT HD or GT5P to FM5 though. The first was very clearly a demo and was even free. 5P was never meant to be a full game, and even full GT5, while it took a while doesn't seem to by a "typical" case.

I'd say Autovista has proved itself, imo. If T10 hadn't been so centered around creating more vehicles to showcase for it, I think we'd be stuck with some of the same FM2/FM3 models to date. That's a big plus in my book. Fans have been asking for updated models for years now, so it's good to see T10 delivered on 1 front.