Forza Horizon 4: General Discussion

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You're using the Steam version, huh? That may explain why you're having issues I've never seen before, but it doesn't explain why you're having them in the first place. You may have to use Event Viewer, search "ForzaHorizon4.exe" under Event Viewer (Local) > Windows Logs and hit Ctrl+F once there. See if you can find any (or all) crash reports and I'll see if I can help debunk this nonsense.

very strange indeed, I bought it off Steam the other week and I’m having no issues at all, absolutely loving it
 
You're using the Steam version, huh? That may explain why you're having issues I've never seen before, but it doesn't explain why you're having them in the first place. You may have to use Event Viewer, search "ForzaHorizon4.exe" under Event Viewer (Local) > Windows Logs and hit Ctrl+F once there. See if you can find any (or all) crash reports and I'll see if I can help debunk this nonsense.
The program ForzaHorizon4.exe version 1.467.783.0 stopped interacting with Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is available, check the problem history in the Security and Maintenance control panel.
Process ID: 2168
Start Time: 01d7382d5038a06e
Termination Time: 4294967295
Application Path: D:\steam games\steamapps\common\ForzaHorizon4\ForzaHorizon4.exe
Report Id: 4a04ec6b-88fd-45e1-af53-d4264ab512ba
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:
Hang type: Top level window is idle


EDIT: I removed the Xbox game bar as some folk were saying to do that, but it still crashes at the end of the first race. Decided to not enter that race and just drove around the map. Went up to Edinburgh, drove round it and then drove back down. Entered first race, game crashed after it. :banghead:
 
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The program ForzaHorizon4.exe version 1.467.783.0 stopped interacting with Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is available, check the problem history in the Security and Maintenance control panel.
Process ID: 2168
Start Time: 01d7382d5038a06e
Termination Time: 4294967295
Application Path: D:\steam games\steamapps\common\ForzaHorizon4\ForzaHorizon4.exe
Report Id: 4a04ec6b-88fd-45e1-af53-d4264ab512ba
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:
Hang type: Top level window is idle


EDIT: I removed the Xbox game bar as some folk were saying to do that, but it still crashes at the end of the first race. Decided to not enter that race and just drove around the map. Went up to Edinburgh, drove round it and then drove back down. Entered first race, game crashed after it. :banghead:

Before I say anything else, try resetting the app. Settings > Apps > find FH4 > Advanced Options > Reset (underneath Terminate). If that doesn't work, type in "Security and Maintenance" in the search bar, click on it (it'll say control panel underneath), bring down the maintenance menu and click on view reliability history. Every crash related to the game should be logged under critical events. Click on them and report back here.

They should all be the same but check to make sure.
 
I just found this on the interwebs and there is a possibility that we will see FH5 at E3 this year! :D



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I'm still crossing my fingers for a new Forza game this year. ^^

As neat as it would be, I just don't see it. Yes, FH and FM have different development teams and COVID has forced pretty much every company in every industry to rearrange their plans but...between FM[8] having already been announced (and pushed back to 2022), the global microchip shortage all-but-halting XBox Series X production (not to mention new graphics cards for PCs), and PG working on the Fable reboot, I just can't picture FH5 dropping in the next 18 to 24 months (unless they decide to make it the last hurrah for the current engine and let FM[8] debut the new one as planned).

Just my $0.02.
 
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As neat as it would be, I just don't see it. Yes, FH and FM have different development teams and COVID has forced pretty much every company in every industry to rearrange their plans but...between FM[8] having already been announced (and pushed back to 2022), the global microchip shortage all-but-halting XBox Series X production (not to mention new graphics cards for PCs), and PG working on the Fable reboot, I just can't picture FH5 dropping in the next 18 to 24 months (unless they decide to make it the last hurrah for the current engine and let FM[8] debut the new one as planned).

Just my $0.02.
Yeah. Forza Motorsport games are revealed first and released first before Forza Horizon games.
 
Yeah, I don't see it happening either. I keep hearing murmurs from different sources about how FH5 is going to release before FM(8) but it just doesn't make any sense. To me, it would not be sensible marketing to announce the next Motorsport game, drop FH4 on Steam and make a big deal about it, and then be like "Hey guys have FH5 out of nowhere!" I know Forza hasn't had their usual release schedule lately but it still doesn't seem likely to me. Call me a cynic if you'd like, haha.
 
Yeah, I don't see it happening either. I keep hearing murmurs from different sources about how FH5 is going to release before FM(8) but it just doesn't make any sense. To me, it would not be sensible marketing to announce the next Motorsport game, drop FH4 on Steam and make a big deal about it, and then be like "Hey guys have FH5 out of nowhere!" I know Forza hasn't had their usual release schedule lately but it still doesn't seem likely to me. Call me a cynic if you'd like, haha.

I'm curious to know the daily player base for FH4. I suspect it's holding pretty strongly, particularly due to the steam release. If that's the case, I don't see an incentive to release...or even acknowledge that FH5 is being developed as it might dampen FH4 enthusiasm. I'd guess that FH4 will remain strong enough until FM8 launches, even if that is a full year away. If FM8 is, instead, 2 years away, than I'd put good money on FH5 arriving first, next year sometime. I doubt FH4 could keep people engaged for another 2 years.
 
Before I say anything else, try resetting the app. Settings > Apps > find FH4 > Advanced Options > Reset (underneath Terminate). If that doesn't work, type in "Security and Maintenance" in the search bar, click on it (it'll say control panel underneath), bring down the maintenance menu and click on view reliability history. Every crash related to the game should be logged under critical events. Click on them and report back here.

They should all be the same but check to make sure.

Every once in a while I think to myself I should get a gaming PC again. But then stuff like this reminds me that I'd rather take the framerate and general performance penalty if it means I keep the ease of use of a console...
 
Every once in a while I think to myself I should get a gaming PC again. But then stuff like this reminds me that I'd rather take the framerate and general performance penalty if it means I keep the ease of use of a console...

And I get that, 100%. PCs, for the most part, are as problem-free (if not more so) than a console. When the problems arise though...it can be so many things causing one otherwise simple problem.
 



A couple of insiders teasing Mexico as the next potential location for FH5. Now these cars on the leaked list make even more sense, especially the American cars and the Off-Roaders (assuming there'll be a large desert like FH3 in the game)

2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged
1969 Chevrolet Corvair Monza
1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo
1957 Ford Thunderbird
2000 Honda Civic Si Coupe
1962 Lincoln Continental
2005 Panoz Esperante GTLM
2008 Dodge Magnum SRT8
1968 Dodge “Supercharger”
2017 Ford #25 Ultra4 Bronco
1986 Ford Mustang SVO
1970 GMC Jimmy
1970 Hoonigan Volkswagen Baja Bug “Scumbug”
2020 Jeep Gladiator
2004 Nissan Patrol Dakar Edition
2018 Porsche #00 Porsche Macan “RR”
1985 Porsche #65 Porsche 911 Desert Off-Road
2017 Subaru Crosstrek Desert Racer
1998 Lincoln MKVIII
1988 Lincoln MKVII
 
Before I say anything else, try resetting the app. Settings > Apps > find FH4 > Advanced Options > Reset (underneath Terminate). If that doesn't work, type in "Security and Maintenance" in the search bar, click on it (it'll say control panel underneath), bring down the maintenance menu and click on view reliability history. Every crash related to the game should be logged under critical events. Click on them and report back here.

They should all be the same but check to make sure.
I can't find a reset option, only uninstall.

Forza only appears once in the reliability history.

Source
ForzaHorizon4.exe

Summary
Stopped working

Date
‎22/‎04/‎2021 17:51

Status
Report sent

Description
Faulting Application Path: D:\steam games\steamapps\common\ForzaHorizon4\ForzaHorizon4.exe

Problem signature
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: ForzaHorizon4.exe
Application Version: 1.467.783.0
Application Timestamp: 607d77ea
Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll
Fault Module Version: 10.0.19041.928
Fault Module Timestamp: 9bed63d6
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000000000002e414
OS Version: 10.0.19041.2.0.0.768.101
Locale ID: 2057
Additional Information 1: 7c2c
Additional Information 2: 7c2c7cbdff3d3fd54089c73430a889b1
Additional Information 3: 824d
Additional Information 4: 824df86843b0addd68ad96b18b9bf1f5

Extra information about the problem
Bucket ID: 92da02b40c2a9532134dd17c1a2fc12e (1390998190872838446)
 
As neat as it would be, I just don't see it. Yes, FH and FM have different development teams and COVID has forced pretty much every company in every industry to rearrange their plans but...between FM[8] having already been announced (and pushed back to 2022), the global microchip shortage all-but-halting XBox Series X production (not to mention new graphics cards for PCs), and PG working on the Fable reboot, I just can't picture FH5 dropping in the next 18 to 24 months (unless they decide to make it the last hurrah for the current engine and let FM[8] debut the new one as planned).

Just my $0.02.
I dunno, I feel FH5 is mostly going to release before the next Forza Motorsport due to how popular it is. Plus, it will give T10 more time to develop their game while FH5 and FH4 are out.

I don't know about you, but, I'm not sure if I can spend one more year on FH4. Yes the game is great to play, but it's really time we got another Forza game and FH5 seems to be just that. 👍



A couple of insiders teasing Mexico as the next potential location for FH5. Now these cars on the leaked list make even more sense, especially the American cars and the Off-Roaders (assuming there'll be a large desert like FH3 in the game)

2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged
1969 Chevrolet Corvair Monza
1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo
1957 Ford Thunderbird
2000 Honda Civic Si Coupe
1962 Lincoln Continental
2005 Panoz Esperante GTLM
2008 Dodge Magnum SRT8
1968 Dodge “Supercharger”
2017 Ford #25 Ultra4 Bronco
1986 Ford Mustang SVO
1970 GMC Jimmy
1970 Hoonigan Volkswagen Baja Bug “Scumbug”
2020 Jeep Gladiator
2004 Nissan Patrol Dakar Edition
2018 Porsche #00 Porsche Macan “RR”
1985 Porsche #65 Porsche 911 Desert Off-Road
2017 Subaru Crosstrek Desert Racer
1998 Lincoln MKVIII
1988 Lincoln MKVII

That would be an interesting choice if true. Plus it means we can FINALLY drive on the right side. :D
 
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I dunno, I feel FH5 is mostly going to release before the next Forza Motorsport due to how popular it is. Plus, it will give T10 more time to develop their game while FH5 and FH4 are out.

Why would PG not need the same amount of time to develop a successor to FH4, as Turn 10 requires for the next FM? Where does the assumption come from that PG can work faster than Turn 10 and still keep up an acceptable standard?

The FM reboot takes time because the Series X/S consoles enable them to explore the franchise in ways they couldn’t before. Same story should be true for PG and FH.

Of course PG could rush out a new Forza game with a new map that otherwise copies and pastes FH4, but that would only backfire once the initial dust has settled. The new generation of consoles are here, and consumers expect franchises to evolve and innovate with them. PG doesn’t get a free pass to keep developing their games as if nothing happened when Turn 10 clearly takes their time to absorb the new tech.
 
Why would PG not need the same amount of time to develop a successor to FH4, as Turn 10 requires for the next FM? Where does the assumption come from that PG can work faster than Turn 10 and still keep up an acceptable standard?
I have never once made ANY assumption whatsoever that PG works at a much faster pace than T10 does.

If PG had wanted, they could easily the run next game on the current engine they are using right now as the last hurrah. However, I'm not saying PG should (or would) out right throw out the next title because. It's more so me wanting the next entry of the series because I'm starting to feel burnt out on FH4 tbh, although they can just as easily keep on developing the next game if need be.

The FM reboot takes time because the Series X/S consoles enable them to explore the franchise in ways they couldn’t before. Same story should be true for PG and FH.
Yes, and I don't disagree with that. But you have to also remember that FM is overhauling almost EVERYTHING in it. We have no clue whether PG is doing the same or not.

Of course PG could rush out a new Forza game with a new map that otherwise copies and pastes FH4, but that would only backfire once the initial dust has settled. The new generation of consoles are here, and consumers expect franchises to evolve and innovate with them. PG doesn’t get a free pass to keep developing their games as if nothing happened when Turn 10 clearly takes their time to absorb the new tech.
I don't give NO developer a free pass on anything, including T10 and PG. I'm waiting and wanting things just as everybody else, but sometimes I would think differently to what others are thinking.

You could say I'm impatient, which is true, because I really want a new Forza game. Copy and paste sure, but a lot of games, to me, feels just that: copied and pasted, particularly sim racing games. I hope for some evolve and innovate ideas, so here's hoping the two teams can put those into action.

Crossing my fingers.
 
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I have never once made ANY assumption whatsoever that PG works at a much faster pace than T10 does.

You said releasing FH5 first would give Turn 10 more time to develop FM. To me it suggests an assumption that PG has some sort of upper hand when it comes to wrapping up a new game.

I wasn’t saying it’s exclusively your assumption either. There appears to be a general assumption surrounding the rumours that FH5 before FM is entirely possible. Some just don’t see it happening, myself included, but I’m interested to hear counterarguments. Especially because the rumours resurface every so often.

If PG had wanted, they could easily the run next game on the current engine they are using right now as the last hurrah. However, I'm not saying PG should (or would) out right throw out the next title because. It's more so me wanting the next entry of the series. They could just as easily keep developing the game if wanted.

As we’re all probably aware, it ultimately boils down to what the higher ups in the Xbox division ask the first-party developer teams to prioritize. Theoretically yes, FH5 could precede FM on a much shorter notice. Many things just don’t point to it happening though.

What does point to it happening other than some wild rumors? Keeping FH4 on life support would suffice as a last hurrah until FM gets rebooted, in my opinion.

Yes, and I don't disagree with that. But you have to also remember that FM is overhauling almost EVERYTHING in it. We have no clue whether PG is doing the same or not.

True we don’t know how PG will approach it next time around, but it’s just hard to see how they would or could release FH5 right on the heels of getting FH4 onto more and more popular platforms, when Turn 10 has gone all in on developing a relevant title for the new console generation.

Officially, last we heard was Turn 10 is hard at work rebooting FM for the Series X. PG then carrying on as usual releasing another Horizon game out of the blue? Then I’d say PG wasted an opportunity to maximize potential. Either that or Turn 10 has become stuck in an inefficient development limbo.

I don't give NO developer a free pass on anything, including T10 and PG. I'm waiting and wanting things just as everybody else, but sometimes I would think differently to what others are thinking.

You could say I'm impatient, which is true, because I really want a new Forza game. Copy and paste sure, but a lot of games, to me, feels just that: copied and pasted, particularly sim racing games. If we're going to talk about "evolve and innovate" than fine, but I'm not going to expect or believe it until I actually see it in action.

I did not say you have given them a free pass. Not even close. Perhaps read it again with a broader framework in mind.

Fair enough you’re eager to replace FH4, but FH5 would end up stale like FH4 very soon if PG keeps doing more or less what they have done since FH1. The Series X has given them an opportunity to rethink some things like Turn 10 is doing with FM.

I’m not denying the possibility that PG may have a Forza teaser for E3, but FM is next to get the limelight. If not, consider me lost for words.
 
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A couple of insiders teasing Mexico as the next potential location for FH5. Now these cars on the leaked list make even more sense, especially the American cars and the Off-Roaders (assuming there'll be a large desert like FH3 in the game)

2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged
1969 Chevrolet Corvair Monza
1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo
1957 Ford Thunderbird
2000 Honda Civic Si Coupe
1962 Lincoln Continental
2005 Panoz Esperante GTLM
2008 Dodge Magnum SRT8
1968 Dodge “Supercharger”
2017 Ford #25 Ultra4 Bronco
1986 Ford Mustang SVO
1970 GMC Jimmy
1970 Hoonigan Volkswagen Baja Bug “Scumbug”
2020 Jeep Gladiator
2004 Nissan Patrol Dakar Edition
2018 Porsche #00 Porsche Macan “RR”
1985 Porsche #65 Porsche 911 Desert Off-Road
2017 Subaru Crosstrek Desert Racer
1998 Lincoln MKVIII
1988 Lincoln MKVII


If FH3 and 4 are any indication, we'd also see a fair few MDM gems as well.

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As we’re all probably aware, it ultimately boils down to what the higher ups in the Xbox division ask the first-party developer teams to prioritize. Theoretically yes, FH5 could precede FM on a much shorter notice. Many things just don’t point to it happening though.

What does point to it happening other than some wild rumors? Keeping FH4 on life support would suffice as a last hurrah until FM gets rebooted, in my opinion.

I agree with your last statement. This is the preferable outcome for me as well. I'd rather have FH5 as a next gen exclusive coming out in 2023 on the new engine being developed for FM Next.

But I fear that with the lack of Xbox First Party titles in the last 12 months or so, the higher up execs at Xbox have decided to instead have FH5 be a cross-gen title on a slightly upgraded version of FH4's Forzatech engine that comes out in 2021 to fill out their first party line-up for 2021.

These people that have been rumouring this (Jeff Grubb, Jez Corden, Klobrille) are generally pretty accurate too.

If this is true (which I think is still a very big IF), the improvements people have been imagining for FH5 probably will have to be scaled back significantly. No more pipe dreams of a map 4x the size of FH4's UK. The extra year of dev time will be beneficial but COVID certainly wouldn't have been. Not long till E3 now, then all will be revealed.
 
It's not guaranteed that FH5 would come out as the rumors suggests. But I'm crossing my fingers for it to be possible. Keeping FH4 alive is a better move, don't get me wrong. But the motivation to keep playing on the same events for new cars over and over is slowly starting to wear thin.
You said releasing FH5 first would give Turn 10 more time to develop FM. To me it suggests an assumption that PG has some sort of upper hand when it comes to wrapping up a new game.
Oh, okay. My apologies for that then. I take back what was said.

I'm thinking with most of the work being put into FH5, especially on an engine FH4 is currently using, it would be possible to get FH5 hopefully this year. Although it's not guaranteed with the rumors that are out there, but it's more so featuring FH5 at E3 with the other games.

I wasn’t saying it’s exclusively your assumption either. There appears to be a general assumption surrounding the rumours that FH5 before FM is entirely possible. Some just don’t see it happening, myself included, but I’m interested to hear counterarguments. Especially because the rumours resurface every so often.
No worries. 👍 I'm not attempting to prove you wrong or anything. I'm just hopeful we can at get a new Forza game out in the wild. But again, the rumors suggests the opposite. Guess we'll have to wait and see?

As we’re all probably aware, it ultimately boils down to what the higher ups in the Xbox division ask the first-party developer teams to prioritize. Theoretically yes, FH5 could precede FM on a much shorter notice. Many things just don’t point to it happening though.
Can't argue with that. That is indeed true. 👍 Makes me wonder they'll have in mind for this year.

What does point to it happening other than some wild rumors? Keeping FH4 on life support would suffice as a last hurrah until FM gets rebooted, in my opinion.

True we don’t know how PG will approach it next time around, but it’s just hard to see how they would or could release FH5 right on the heels of getting FH4 onto more and more popular platforms, when Turn 10 has gone all in on developing a relevant title for the new console generation.
It's not guaranteed that FH5 would come out as the rumors suggests. But I'm crossing my fingers for it to be possible. Keeping FH4 alive is a better move, don't get me wrong. But the motivation to keep playing on the same events for new cars over and over is kinda starting to wear thin in me.

Officially, last we heard was Turn 10 is hard at work rebooting FM for the Series X. PG then carrying on as usual releasing another Horizon game out of the blue? Then I’d say PG wasted an opportunity to maximize potential. Either that or Turn 10 has become stuck in an inefficient development limbo.
T10 are at a playtest phase as we speak, but I have no idea their plans are for the rebooted FM. It sounds ambitious to me.

I did not say you have given them a free pass. Not even close. Perhaps read it again with a broader framework in mind.
Noted. 👍

Fair enough you’re eager to replace FH4, but FH5 would end up stale like FH4 very soon if PG keeps doing more or less what they have done since FH1. The Series X has given them an opportunity to rethink some things like Turn 10 is doing with FM.
I'm hoping for the best we get the best experience once they do come out. But that seems like a long time to wait. :guilty:

I’m not denying the possibility that PG may have a Forza teaser for E3, but FM is next to get the limelight. If not, consider me lost for words.
Same. :)
 
I agree with your last statement. This is the preferable outcome for me as well. I'd rather have FH5 as a next gen exclusive coming out in 2023 on the new engine being developed for FM Next.

But I fear that with the lack of Xbox First Party titles in the last 12 months or so, the higher up execs at Xbox have decided to instead have FH5 be a cross-gen title on a slightly upgraded version of FH4's Forzatech engine that comes out in 2021 to fill out their first party line-up for 2021.

These people that have been rumouring this (Jeff Grubb, Jez Corden, Klobrille) are generally pretty accurate too.

If this is true (which I think is still a very big IF), the improvements people have been imagining for FH5 probably will have to be scaled back significantly. No more pipe dreams of a map 4x the size of FH4's UK. The extra year of dev time will be beneficial but COVID certainly wouldn't have been. Not long till E3 now, then all will be revealed.

I think Flight Simulator will be enough to save 2021 as far as first-party titles go, assuming it stays on schedule for summer 2021 on Series X. That franchise has gained appeal far beyond the flight enthusiast community. Of course, the production shortage of consoles are a problem for Series X console exclusives, but slapping yet another FH game into the old engine with Xbox One support in mind just seems like something that would do more long-term damage than short-term good. The success of the FM reboot can to some extend thrive on the success of FH4. However, Turn 10 might suffer if FH5 gets pushed through like some last minute afterthought over at PG.

As you touch on the subject yourself, with the pandemic I find it particularly difficult to imagine how PG would be able to maintain their development standards, such as location research. For FH4 the team spent many outdoor hours capturing all sorts of data to make the in-game world feel believable. FH4 has set the bar to surpass quite high, so recent travel restrictions would present a major challenge for a game set elsewhere. In a way I think the Steam version of FH4 happened to compensate for the fact that Forza hasn't had a launch in years, and possibly won't until FM rebooted comes out. We'll see, but I would definitely not buy another Forza game relying on the old tech.
 
HELP!!! SOS Brigade Emergency! :cheers:

Cannot do the Mudslinger's Dirt Park Danger Sign for this week's PR Stunt. can't find a car that can cope with speeding into the pipe tunnel
and making the required 'jump' distance.
 
HELP!!! SOS Brigade Emergency! :cheers:

Cannot do the Mudslinger's Dirt Park Danger Sign for this week's PR Stunt. can't find a car that can cope with speeding into the pipe tunnel
and making the required 'jump' distance.

For me, it was the Mosler and a LOT of rewinds to get the pipe bit right.

Do a run up from the road, not from the field as there is a minor jump from the field which upsets car balance.
Go just to the right of the tractor as you leave the road.
 
For some stupid reason, at least 90% of my cars have lost their engine sounds, and of the ones that still have them, they only kick in near the redline. I can still hear the satnav, the wind and the tyres squealing. I've noticed a few other players on the Forza forums mention that this happened after they moved the game to a new HDD/SSD, which I've also done recently, and that they've only fixed it after re-downloading the game.

I'm really not looking forward to having to do that. :grumpy:
 
I'm thinking that for the next FH we need rocky trails for the 4x4's... I do like the rocky tracks in Dirt 5.

That and proper dirt/mud physics would go a long way too. It's weird to be able to just drive around like normal in the mud without any issue at all. I know the seasons were new this time around, but it seems like a good progression to make the terrain act differently depending on the time of year.
 
That and proper dirt/mud physics would go a long way too. It's weird to be able to just drive around like normal in the mud without any issue at all. I know the seasons were new this time around, but it seems like a good progression to make the terrain act differently depending on the time of year.

Making off-road driving more realistic is at odds with keeping the gameplay accessible for the masses. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy realism but FH’s freedom to drive anywhere in anything is one the game’s best qualities when just roaming around for careless fun.
 
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