Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

[WanganDream]

It needs to happen. Jaguar's product line in Forza is severely outdated. Apart from the iconic XJ13, nothing else was added.

Like you, I'm hoping for new Jaguars to be added.
But don't forget him who was one of the latest models, even though he was added in FH4...

This is just my personal opinion, and I consider it "anti-democratic" in some ways, but it's about time they stop to add their beloved brands like BMW, Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, McLaren, Ford, etc. I think it's time to take a break and redirect those resources to brands that haven't received enough love.

Hyundai for example. Today they have grown into a prestigious brand that rivals Toyota and VW. And they are one of the brands that manufactures the performance line called N Line and the latest ICE and BEV, and is compatible with performance and environmental performance.
However, their lineup in Forza is Veloster only. This car isn't bad either, but it's far from the hot of their line-up today on its own.

Of course, Hyundai isn't the only brand neglected.
The Huracan gets a lot of variants on the FH5 alone. But on the other hand, Charger's latest and fastest trim level continued to be ignored. All we have is an obsolete Charger Hellcat without the widebody.
What about Renault? They got some love in FH4. But their newest model additions have stalled for years.
Peugeot. Yes, we understand why their models are hard to add. But it's still arguably the most underrated brand in Forza.
Of course this is just one example. While a handful of manufacturers have added many models, there are many models and brands that have been neglected for a long time. Putting them in the spotlight would definitely do well for Forza in the future.

 

[skazz]

At some point there are a whole gaggle of 300-400bhp electric "cars" coming out all over the place. Kia and Hyundai especially are betting on that route heavily.

They have become almost the replacement to the old hot hatch category as far as I can tell, but are probably all terrible to drive except off the traffic lights

 

[willbsn13]

Like you, I'm hoping for new Jaguars to be added.
But don't forget him who was one of the latest models, even though he was added in FH4...

This is just my personal opinion, and I consider it "anti-democratic" in some ways, but it's about time they stop to add their beloved brands like BMW, Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, McLaren, Ford, etc. I think it's time to take a break and redirect those resources to brands that haven't received enough love.

Hyundai for example. Today they have grown into a prestigious brand that rivals Toyota and VW. And they are one of the brands that manufactures the performance line called N Line and the latest ICE, and is compatible with performance and environmental performance.
However, their lineup in Forza is Veloster only. This car isn't bad either, but it's far from the hot of their line-up today on its own.

Of course, Hyundai isn't the only brand neglected.
The Huracan gets a lot of variants on the FH5 alone. But on the other hand, Charger's latest and fastest trim level continued to be ignored. All we have is an obsolete Charger Hellcat without the widebody.
What about Renault? They got some love in FH4. But their newest model additions have stalled for years.
Peugeot. Yes, we understand why their models are hard to add. But it's still arguably the most underrated brand in Forza.
Of course this is just one example. While a handful of manufacturers have added many models, there are many models and brands that have been neglected for a long time. Putting them in the spotlight would definitely do well for Forza in the future.

Well said. You can add Subaru, Mazda, Aston Martin, Lotus, the Stellantis brands etc to the list too.

Even a slightly more niche marque like Volvo - is a good example

After getting the 123GT and 1800E in FH3, we've just gone backwards. Both of those models aren't ported to FH4, and neither is the XC90 from FM7. Now we just have a measly 3 models with no updates or even returning cars in sight.

It's sometimes annoying to look back and see brands that a had better representation back in the day but I guess that's just how it goes.

 

[Beebo]

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Like you, I'm hoping for new Jaguars to be added.
But don't forget him who was one of the latest models, even though he was added in FH4...

This is just my personal opinion, and I consider it "anti-democratic" in some ways, but it's about time they stop to add their beloved brands like BMW, Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, McLaren, Ford, etc. I think it's time to take a break and redirect those resources to brands that haven't received enough love.

Hyundai for example. Today they have grown into a prestigious brand that rivals Toyota and VW. And they are one of the brands that manufactures the performance line called N Line and the latest ICE, and is compatible with performance and environmental performance.
However, their lineup in Forza is Veloster only. This car isn't bad either, but it's far from the hot of their line-up today on its own.

Of course, Hyundai isn't the only brand neglected.
The Huracan gets a lot of variants on the FH5 alone. But on the other hand, Charger's latest and fastest trim level continued to be ignored. All we have is an obsolete Charger Hellcat without the widebody.
What about Renault? They got some love in FH4. But their newest model additions have stalled for years.
Peugeot. Yes, we understand why their models are hard to add. But it's still arguably the most underrated brand in Forza.
Of course this is just one example. While a handful of manufacturers have added many models, there are many models and brands that have been neglected for a long time. Putting them in the spotlight would definitely do well for Forza in the future.

I'll throw TVR into the list, for some reason for FH5's launch they decided to cut a few models from a brand that already doesn't have many models in the game. Why?!

 

[UKMikey]

I'll throw TVR into the list, for some reason for FH5's launch they decided to cut a few models from a brand that already doesn't have many models in the game. Why?!

Licensing is hard and I doubt PG have a totally free hand in choosing which vehicles to add. I hope some of these more esoteric ICE vehicles aren't too much more expensive to get the rights to compared to the safe electric SUVs the big manufacturers want to push.

But all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy and Horizon a dull and less engaging game so I hope the devs have deep enough pockets to stump up for some of the more iconic cars from yesteryear.

I wonder whether Forza Motorsport acts as a feed for Horizon car models the way Horizon seems to feed its elder brother or whether they bid for licences collectively.

 

[skazz]

I wonder whether Forza Motorsport acts as a feed for Horizon car models the way Horizon seems to feed its elder brother or whether they bid for licences collectively?

They have always shared models, but in the past I think they were licensing cars per title, for a 4 year period after that title's launch. Hence why earlier Forza games were always delisted after 4 years.

FH4 seems to have been the start of some changes, though, because it was released in October 2018 and is nearly 5 years old but still for sale. So I guess Forza Motorsport and Horizon are now trying a more perpetual licensing model somehow?

 

[UKMikey]

They have always shared models, but in the past I think they were licensing cars per title, for a 4 year period after that title's launch. Hence why earlier Forza games were always delisted after 4 years.

FH4 seems to have been the start of some changes, though, because it was released in October 2018 and is nearly 5 years old but still for sale. So I guess Forza Motorsport and Horizon are now trying a more perpetual licensing model somehow?

If their plan is to keep FM in circulation longer it'd definitely seem like this is the way forward.

 

[The_Greaser]

Infiniti too, if you ask me. There is literally no production version of any Infiniti since FH3. No G35, no G37 and no production Q60. Sad.

Hyundai too is unappreciated as well. No RN22e, no Genesis G70, and no Ioniq 5.

 

[sirjim73]

They have always shared models, but in the past I think they were licensing cars per title, for a 4 year period after that title's launch. Hence why earlier Forza games were always delisted after 4 years.

FH4 seems to have been the start of some changes, though, because it was released in October 2018 and is nearly 5 years old but still for sale. So I guess Forza Motorsport and Horizon are now trying a more perpetual licensing model somehow?

As I pointed out in another thread, and will keep spamming until @Famine writes an article FH4 is included in the initial list of games in the Game Pass replacement for Games with Gold which starts in September, 10 days before the 5th anniversary of FH4's release, so FH4 is 99.9% guaranteed to go into a 6th year, unless something dramatic happens in the next 4/5 weeks.

 

[ALLSETFORMOVE]

Found something interesting again, this time a file containing various (new) cars. Keep in mind these are just reference. Things like textures, 3D models, sound doesn't exist yet for the new cars at this point. Again these cars might not get added to the game. Here is the highlight of the new cars found within the file.

AST_Lagonda_90 (Aston Martin Lagonda)
KTM_XBowGT2_20 (We have the GT4 version currently)
FOR_MustangSVT_03 (I think this one is newer than the one in game?)
FOR_EconolineDeberti_61 (Crazy build, look it up)
JAG_FTypeSVR_20 (Jaguar FType SVR, Facelifted version of the one in game)
BEN_FlyingSpur_19
BMW_M3_21
SAL_S7LM_17 (Saleen S7 LM, 1300hp)
MAS_MC20_22 (Yup)

The rest of the new cars are coming next update
FER_Roma_21
FER_296GTB_22
LAM_SC20_21
LAM_HuracanTecnica_23

I'll include the file so you can check it out by yourself. (scroll down on the file to see the cars mentioned here)

Are they going to give us the Continental GT or what?

Edit: these are great cars for sure, but the most anticipated car for me would be 'MCL_675LT_16'.

 

[PJTierney]

Painted up another car over the weekend, finally the Barn Find has a use 😅

 

[Jakexvx]

I so hope you get a comment in his next video for making that comparison bud 😂😂😂

🤔

 

[Mae Borowski]

🤔

The man himself has descended upon us

 

[Edax 76]

The man himself has descended upon us

He frequents these pages regularly bud. His videos often contain screen shots from here.

 

[Mae Borowski]

He frequents these pages regularly bud. His videos often contain screen shots from here.

I know lol the timing was just funny

 

[AZR Sunrace]

i rlly want alfa

i hope the new season wil be good

 

[-Fred-]

14.3gb update on Series X. The car pack is also available.

 

[nukleabomb]

FH5 Release Notes: August 15th, 2023 (Italian Automotive)​

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We're constantly working to improve the experience in Forza Horizon 5. Below you will find a summary of items fixed or improved upon in this update.



Version Number:

• Xbox One: 2.607.493.0
• Xbox Series: 3.607.493.0
• PC: 3.607.493.0
• Steam: 1.607.493.0

New Features (Available from August 15th)

• Increased Garage space (from 1000 to 2000 slots)
• Increased Tune slots (from 600 to 1000 slots)
• Increased Livery slots (from 600 to 1000 slots)

Developer’s Notes: “I wanted to share some of the complexities behind making a change like this.

The save game also contains a local copy of your campaign progression, as well as your cars, your liveries and tunes, and everything else. It's "reserved space", meaning that when we increase the size of the save game, we have to find and assign additional space on the disk to ensure we'll have it when we need it. If you’re wondering, this update will increase the size of the save game to 2 GB.

Since we synchronise this data to remote storage, increasing the space assigned on disk has a lot of second-tier complexity. For example, we need to increase the number of car thumbnails and car data that can be loaded by screens like Car Select at the start of events, or when you're viewing your Garage. The Auction House needs to be updated to handle the number of cars you could have at any one time. We need to deploy a new backend to begin supporting the change before we even get the on-disk update out to you, so we're sure that the servers are spun up and ready when the actual change goes live. Making things even more complicated is the fact that we manage two separate types of remote storage - one for Xbox or Steam (depending on your platform) and the other for our internal servers which primarily support the auction house, as well as the message center and loads of other systems that now need to know MaxCars=2000.

In short, making a change to the number of cars you can has impacts from the bytes on disk, through many screens and systems, and all the way out to the various servers that support the game.

TL;DR you can have 2000 cars now, I'm sorry it took so long to update it, but I hope this explanation provides a little bit of insights into what's actually involved.

Torben Ellert - Design Director"

• Italian Automotive Collector Accolade
• 7 EventLab props
  • Boat Piñata
  • Star Decal
  • Shell Decal
  • Snail Decal
  • Banana Boat
  • Green Backdrop
  • Blue Backdrop

"Italian Automotive" Limited Timed Series Features (Available from August 17th until September 14th)

• Italian Automotive Start Screen
• Evolving World: Abarth/Alfa Romeo/Fiat/Lancia billboards
• Evolving World: Boat Piñata collectible

Unlockable cars

• 8 Autoshow Cars (Available from August 15th onwards)
  • 1968 Abarth 595 Esseesse
  • 1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA Stradale
  • 1965 Alfa Romeo TZ2
  • 1968 Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale
  • 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde
  • 1980 Fiat 124 Sport Spider
  • 1992 Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evo
  • 1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale
• 8 Festival Playlist Reward Cars (Available from August 17th onwards)
  • 1980 Abarth 131
  • 2016 Abarth 659
  • 2017 Abarth 124
  • 1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4
  • 2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
  • 2014 Alfa Romeo 4C
  • 1982 Lancia 037
  • 1986 Lancia Delta S4

Italian Exotics Car Pack (Available from August 15th - Not included with the Forza Horizon 5 Car Pass, Standard, Deluxe or Premium Editions)

• 2020 Ferrari Roma
• 2022 Ferrari 296 GTB
• 2019 Italdesign Davinci Concept
• 2018 Lamborghini #63 Squadra Corse Huracàn Super Trofeo
• 2020 Lamborghini SC20
• 2020 Lamborghini Essenza SCV12
• 2022 Lamborghini Huracàn Tecnica

Bug fixes​

General

• Fixed an issue with the Auction House where sometimes last minute bid extensions were not functioning correctly (Bug ID 3904675)
• Fixed an issue with Icons Of Speed story where sometimes the drivatar was slowing down and getting ghosted at the beginning of chapter 1 (Bug ID 3901376)
• Fixed an issue where BSL video was missing from Icons of Speed chapter 4 outro (Bug ID 3896325)
• Improvements made to some instances where traffic was not synced for players in a convoy (Bug ID 3900324)
• Fixed an issue with Seasonal EventLab were blueprints downloads and usage were not getting counted correctly when participating in Coop/PvP modes (Bug ID 3397287)
• Fixed an issue in Seasonal Playground Games King Mode which had a total time of 10 minutes instead of 8 (Bug ID 3886012)
• General performance and stability fixes

PC

• Improvements made to some unusual long loading times particularly on Windows Store PC clients before the start of the game window (Bug ID 3840750)
  • Developer's Notes: Some players might experience a long black screen after the Xbox Game Studios introduction video. We're investigating this issue.
• Improvements made to some instances where the game client was crashing while booting the game (Bug ID 3904768)
• Fixed an issue where the unlocked framerate option would be hidden incorrectly  (Bug ID 3899593)

Cars

• Fixed an issue with the 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STI where the front bumper sticker could display some textures anomalies with some paints and bumper parts (Bug ID 3886816)
• Fixed an issue with the 1973 Ford XB Falcon GT where the side vents colours didn't match the car's body (Bug ID 3904714)
• Fixed an issue with the 1973 Ford XB Falcon GT where the speedometer was incorrectly displaying km/h instead of mph (Bug ID 3904712)
• 1956 'Barbie Movie' Chevrolet Corvette EV and 2022 'Barbie Movie' Hummer EV Pick-up have been added to the Autoshow (Available from August 15th)

The content update is rolling out now -
16.4 GB on Windows PCs
14.3 GB on Series consoles
8.1 GB on Steam

 

[-Fred-]

Heads up, the Tipo 33 Stradale is 15 million credits. TZ2 is 4 millions.

 

[Stupornaut]

Heads up, the Tipo 33 Stradale is 15 million credits. TZ2 is 4 millions.

I've been sitting on nine figures for a while now, so no worries here. Mostly I'm just glad that six of the cars I'm happiest to see back are all Autoshow purchases. Maybe even seven now that the Quadrifoglio Verde's absence has made the heart grow fonder, so to speak. And I'm not gonna scoff at the '80 124, either, especially if I can give it the Group 4 treatment.

 

[Edax 76]

Heads up, the Tipo 33 Stradale is 15 million credits. TZ2 is 4 millions.

Saw the prices on YouTube on JakeXVX's video. I'm already braced 💰💰💰

 

[PJTierney]

Good thing I made 900 million that one week the scalpers forgot to turn off their bots.

 

[Ryan81]

Good to see the Roma making an appearance. Surprised it's taken this long.

 

[skazz]

All those millions have no other purpose for me than ensuring I stay at 100% garage completion, so it's fine here.

 

[PJTierney]

Imported and shared.

I’ve imported my 037 paint too but can’t share it as it’s a Playlist car.

 

[UKMikey]

I "only" have 100,000,000 credits or so but can't remember if any of the Autoshow cars are featured event prizes or Forzathon shop offers so will wait until the end of the season before getting my wallet out unless I'm really desperate.

 

[Edax 76]

I'm on 999,999,999 credits from selling prize cars before each new series starts. I've been doing it since FH4. I put them up for maximum buyout but always minimum starting price. Always turn a nice profit. My Sticker Car keeps me in plenty of Skill Points to replenish the new cars skills.

 

[GTvsForza]

Heads up, the Tipo 33 Stradale is 15 million credits. TZ2 is 4 millions.

Good thing I sold a dupe 8CTF. Got nearly 40 mil

 

[Mae Borowski]

So FM2023 just did another car drop, and the brand new C8 Z06 was on there under #NewToMotorsport. Could we be seeing it in FH5 in the short future?

 

[WanganDream]

• 1956 'Barbie Movie' Chevrolet Corvette EV and 2022 'Barbie Movie' Hummer EV Pick-up have been added to the Autoshow (Available from August 15th)

After spending tens of millions of cr on Barbie Hummer, I'm laughing out loud at this.
A tragicomedy for Hummer lovers.