Forza Motorsport 3 Ultimate Collection

[Terronium-12]

Well, just after one day of me saying the hype was dead (for me) they release this news!

Koenigsegg CCX? Color me sold. Although I'm still not going to play until it's released.

 

[robisme]

I will defend Forza and GT until the day I die! 👍

Forza 3 is still a turd however it's dressed, I have the game too, don't play it anymore and have not since a month after release, it's only use is it's little trade-in value, use it as trade when I buy my next game.

 

[Bogie 19th]

If Forza is a turd, then so is GT. I have Forza and I still play it a year later all the time. Not sure of your point.

 

[Terronium-12]

If Forza is a turd, then so is GT. I have Forza and I still play it a year later all the time. Not sure of your point.

Oh noes, Brian. Now you dun' gone and dun' it.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Someone had to

 

[McLaren]

VIP people need the opportunity to just upgrade to this.

This. I'm not paying $60 for all the same content I already have.

 

[VXR]

Honestly, I have to wonder how people equate what they feel in a real car to how they feel in games. I would defend to my death that Forza nails the flow of driving a car perfectly. Ignore the oversteer; you're playing a game with no fear factor. Shut your brain off and your car would respond that way too. But no, edge a car in FM3 into a turn, feel the weight transfer, let its tyres do the work. That pretty much replicates what my car does with the way I drive it. If you can't feel that when playing it, then that's not T10's problem. It's yours.

I can never understand why people equate hard to drive sims with realism. I've driven a wide variety of vehicles, the extremes being a Cadillac SRX, to a Jaguar XJ and a Ford Freda and I didn't have any trouble driving any of them quickly. If I did, I wouldn't drive them quickly. The Freda was a lot of fun, btw.

That said, if what Inside Sim Racing said about GT5 that the Super GT cars feeling quite similar in both games, then it's win-win. The dark days of GT4's plough-on understeer when braking and nonsensical understeer-inducing TC and STM are thankfully over. If those electronic systems induced chronic understeer in real life, they'd be little safer than the car getting out of shape through oversteer.

 

[-kj-]

T10's Top Gear stuff just makes them seem desperate...like they're trying to compete a little too hard with GT. Which is stupid, if you ask me, 'cause GT and Forza are completely different. And this proves that.

Did anyone notice this bit...

The Forza 3 Ultimate Collection is the largest Forza entry yet: comprising 500 premium cars with fully modeled cockpits
http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/Forza_Motorsport_3_Ultimate_Collection/

I think T10 is trying to say something..

 

[VXR]

Yeah, well who could blame any marketing department when they have 500 models rendered to a level above 80% of their longer-running rival's product?

With regards to the Top Gear tie-up, due to the way the BBC is funded, if T10 or MS asked for a partnership, their guidelines state they aren't allowed to show favour to a single commercial entity, so if EA wanted TG in NFS, then it would pretty much happen. BBC iPlayer is ready to go on Live, but because of most 'premium' content being open to paying Gold members only, it's not allowed to be released essentially to a subscription paying service. Microsoft seemingly won't back down and allow a premium feature to silver members.

 

[Terronium-12]

I think T10 is trying to say something..

You think?

From day one Forza 3 had every car modeled with an interior, if anything that line is just a slap in the face. Which, to be frank, I don't even mind because GT5 is essentially "We have 1,000+ cars, but only 200 or so of them are better than the rest."

 

[Bogie 19th]

like they're trying to compete a little too hard with GT.

I know, right? Next thing you know GT will try to compete with Forza and add damage and cars that flip. Oh wait..

 

[infamousDee]

If Forza is a turd, then so is GT. I have Forza and I still play it a year later all the time. Not sure of your point.

The two games are incomparable. Gran Turismo is a driving simulator, Forza is an arcade racer. If this makes it a "turd" in the eyes of the hardcore crowd, then they're fully entitled to that opinion. The only thing I have any problem with is when people start arrogantly touting their opinions as fact.

 

[VXR]

An arcade racer? That's a laugh. It simulates a car on a track. It's a simulator. It also happens to be fun. Is driving not fun? I'm going wrong somewhere with this license of mine if that's the case, cause I've been enjoying it. As for arrogance, there's nothing more arrogant than blind GT fans who look down on everything else, despite at least two entries in the series being largely unrealistic (GT2's rubber-banding and GT4's broken, understeery physics engine.)

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

The two games are incomparable. Gran Turismo is a driving simulator, Forza is an arcade racer. If this makes it a "turd" in the eyes of the hardcore crowd, then they're fully entitled to that opinion. The only thing I have any problem with is when people start arrogantly touting their opinions as fact.

Yes unfortunately FM3 is an arcade racer because compared to FM2 they increased the levels of grip to appeal to casual racers. For example some of the muscle cars that I use when hotlapping on Le Mans are tuned by having stock tyres, stock brakes and throwing on 1000HP.

I play FM3 every night and the online numbers are dropping fast. The production hopper only averages around 60 now and was intially around 150. Overall I think there is around 1000 people playing in the online hoppers but if you consider Xbox live has over 20 million members thats a woeful number. The drop in numbers is down to F1 2010 and when GT5 comes out I expect the numbers to drop even further.

An arcade racer? That's a laugh. It simulates a car on a track.

No it doesn't.

Let me tell you I have over 300 top 50 laptimes so I know all their is about the FM3 physics engine. For example many of my tunes consist of throwing on HP with little attention towards handling. This is because race tyres on FM3 are nowhere near as noticeable compared to FM2. This is because stock tyres have far more grip.

I call FM3 a point and squirt type of racing game like F1 2010 is. However when hotlapping on GT5P you had to be far more precise with your braking points and exit speed. Even knowing what RPM to change gear made a massive difference.

Whats your GT on Forza 3 because I often race in the production hopper during the evening. Im currently using a different tag called GT5 KILLS FORZA. As you can imagine im very popular. I had to create another account because I kept on getting kicked because of my rank (how sad!).

 

[Terronium-12]

The only thing I have any problem with is when people start arrogantly touting their opinions as fact.

You mean like what you did here?

The two games are incomparable. Gran Turismo is a driving simulator, Forza is an arcade racer.

This doesn't sound like a fact to me, but rather an opinion being stated as fact. Wouldn't you agree? I suppose you have an excuse for everything GT has done throughout it's run, but Forza is just that bit of dried up toast that no one wants, huh?

I think you should look up (as in define), remember, and post on your wall the following words: hypocrite, irony, and refute.

 

[-kj-]

What I would like to see with this partnership between Forza and Top Gear is the Top Gear test track dlc without the invisible barriers like we seen in the GT5 demos. imagine if you could have the whole Top Gear air field to your self, That would be the advantage for Forza over GT that's if PD don't remove the barriers and give us the whole runway to play with by Nov 2.

 

[glassjaw]

I know, right? Next thing you know GT will try to compete with Forza and add damage and cars that flip. Oh wait..

In this guy's defense, damage and rollovers are in almost every major simulator now. Top Gear is not.

Regardless, Top Gear is a TV show, and like any other TV show is looking for publicity. They'll go to the games people play, and right now one of them is Forza...nobody is "stealing" them away from PD. Can't help but feel Turn 10 isn't taking full advantage of the partnership though. No test track is a downer for me.

 

[Terronium-12]

In this guy's defense, damage and rollovers are in almost every major simulator now. Top Gear is not.

Regardless, Top Gear is a TV show, and like any other TV show is looking for publicity. They'll go to the games people play, and right now one of them is Forza...nobody is "stealing" them away from PD. Can't help but feel Turn 10 isn't taking full advantage of the partnership though. No test track is a downer for me.

Well, look at the bigger picture...

"A long-term partnership between Forza Motorsport and Top Gear...." What's being released next year? Forza Motorsport 4.

I doubt they would have included the track regardless as very few people (I know I wouldn't have) would purchase a track that isn't properly included into the career mode.

 

[glassjaw]

Well, look at the bigger picture...

"A long-term partnership between Forza Motorsport and Top Gear...." What's being released next year? Forza Motorsport 4.

I doubt they would have included the track regardless as very few people (I know I wouldn't have) would purchase a track that isn't properly included into the career mode.

I would rather they release the test track now instead of waiting a year. If they did that, they might be able to squeeze a little more interest out of FM3 and pull away some casual fans from Sony who are just interested in GT5 for Top Gear's presence. And I think a lot of people would buy it, actually. I haven't played FM3 in months, but I'd definitely get back into it if it means doing some time trials on the test track.

It kind of comes off as half-assed to do it this way though. If you want to provide the "definitive Top Gear experience" or whatever in FM4, wait till FM4 to get the ball rolling. Because a three car pack and what is likely to be a 90 minute clip show aren't going to help make a year old game with little developer support and a dwindling number of players online relevant again.

 

[Terronium-12]

I would rather they release the test track now instead of waiting a year. If they did that, they might be able to squeeze a little more interest out of FM3 and pull away some casual fans from Sony who are just interested in GT5 for Top Gear's presence. And I think a lot of people would buy it, actually. I haven't played FM3 in months, but I'd definitely get back into it if it means doing some time trials on the test track.

It kind of comes off as half-assed to do it this way though. If you want to provide the "definitive Top Gear experience" or whatever in FM4, wait till FM4 to get the ball rolling. Because a three car pack and what is likely to be a 90 minute clip show aren't going to help make a year old game with little developer support and a dwindling number of players online relevant again.

Can't really argue with anything being said here....

 

[VXR]

If the Stig's garage remains exclusive - and I don't think it will - releasing it as part of the UC would mean the track would be a part of that. It's possible that the test track is on its way as DLC for everyone. I hope so, anyway, as there's cars that interest me in FM3 that don't appear to be in GT5.

 

[CaptainFederal]

I would rather they release the test track now instead of waiting a year. If they did that, they might be able to squeeze a little more interest out of FM3 and pull away some casual fans from Sony who are just interested in GT5 for Top Gear's presence. And I think a lot of people would buy it, actually. I haven't played FM3 in months, but I'd definitely get back into it if it means doing some time trials on the test track.

It kind of comes off as half-assed to do it this way though. If you want to provide the "definitive Top Gear experience" or whatever in FM4, wait till FM4 to get the ball rolling. Because a three car pack and what is likely to be a 90 minute clip show aren't going to help make a year old game with little developer support and a dwindling number of players online relevant again.

I agree!

Also, when I saw this I realized its really the nail in the coffin I'm trading in Forza Motorsport 3 asap. I'm really disappointed in it. And seeing this come out now targeted at the new crowd with the lack of support for the guys who were faithful kinda blows. T10 started strong with a flawed run ( working gauges, jalopnik car pack, lackluster online preformance, broken economy etc.) Also, feel like they did this so they can compete with GT5. However, I feel the problem isn't competing its more so working with what they have so more people won't buy the game and realize "Geeze, I feel swindled! The first few months were awesome now it just kinda dies." Top Gear won't save a dying game.

 

[McLaren]

Awesome; in the midst of the beginning of another Forza vs. GT. Now, I could have sworn this wasn't the GT5 forum.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Did anyone notice this bit...
I think T10 is trying to say something..

FULLY modeled? Um, I can name quite a few cockpits that don't have working gauges - cough holden - cough.

The two games are incomparable. Gran Turismo is an arcade racer, Forza is a race simulator.

See what I did there?

In this guy's defense, damage and rollovers are in almost every major simulator now. Top Gear is not.

Doesn't matter. Both are obviously appealing to the same crowd, and both are taking ideas, TV show licenses, car licenses and even damage licenses from manufacturers that one had and the other didn't. No doubt that when GT ever adds Porsche, it will "be ok". 💡

Regardless, Top Gear is a TV show, and like any other TV show is looking for publicity. They'll go to the games people play, and right now one of them is Forza...nobody is "stealing" them away from PD. Can't help but feel Turn 10 isn't taking full advantage of the partnership though. No test track is a downer for me.

I can pretty much agree with everything you state there. However, we don't know how much work Forza has done with Top Gear, and how much they are taking advantage of the partnership right now since we don't work there. However, I am glad we have Porsche in Forza, and I would take that over a Top Gear test track and video any day. I hope we get it in GT one day.

Awesome; in the midst of the beginning of another Forza vs. GT. Now, I could have sworn this wasn't the GT5 forum.

I could have sworn this was the Forza section.

 

[Eric.]

So now we know what the SLS looks like with a plastic finish.

LET'S TURN THIS INTO A GRAN TURISMO'S GRAPHICS ARE BETTER THAN FORZA'S THREAD LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.


Seriously. If that's all you've got to add to this thread GTFO and go back to the GT5 forum.

In this guy's defense, damage and rollovers are in almost every major simulator now. Top Gear is not.

And so are interiors. And reverse lights.

 

[The_Paladin]

I would rather they release the test track now instead of waiting a year. If they did that, they might be able to squeeze a little more interest out of FM3 and pull away some casual fans from Sony who are just interested in GT5 for Top Gear's presence. And I think a lot of people would buy it, actually. I haven't played FM3 in months, but I'd definitely get back into it if it means doing some time trials on the test track.

It kind of comes off as half-assed to do it this way though. If you want to provide the "definitive Top Gear experience" or whatever in FM4, wait till FM4 to get the ball rolling. Because a three car pack and what is likely to be a 90 minute clip show aren't going to help make a year old game with little developer support and a dwindling number of players online relevant again.

Sounds good on paper BUT, they have sold 3 tracks packs in the last 2 games and the sales are quite bad compared with car packs. Thats probably the reason why they are keeping the track for the next game.

 

[LaBounti]

Or it may be the total lameness of the track packs...... Nothing to get excited about.

 

[Eric.]

The tracks would've been better if they incorporate them into the rotation but then you've got players who have the track and those that don't, which means either you need extra work in the hoppers to sort of those people. You can see this happening in MW2 for map packs.

 

[Zlimness]

I don't really get this:

Forza Motorsport 3 Ultimate Collection will also include seven new car models, including:

Lancia 037 Stradale
Jaguar D-Type
Plymouth Cuda
Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro
Audi TT RS Coupe
Audi R15 TDI
Porsche 550A Spyder

The R8 was in the standard game already, and the TT RS and R15 are in the DLC. So these aren't really "new" in that sense.

I'll probably get the ultimate when it's cheap though. My original disc was busted when I got the game and had to play it off the HDD. Need a new copy anyways.

 

[The_Paladin]

New info (mostly from badned)

-The track is not avaible because other racing game has the temporal exclusivity of the track use, i guess we well see it in Forza 4.

-This is a platinum hits, which means 30 usd.

-the info about the new audis is not correct, there something missing, which is probably that they are custom versions much like the Forza themed cars that came with the LCE edition.