Forza Motorsport 6 Mods: Explanation from T10

[UkHardcore23]

The over £100 was if you bought tokens in the smallest possible packs as I recall. What I don't understand is why anyone thinks they're going to go back to those days with Mattrick gone and Horizon not featuring any tokens at all.

Your right, After 2 years my memory is a bit hazy on it

For 2,334 Tokens you can buy either a McLaren P1 or Ferrari Enzo. A Token pack costing £15.99 will cover either of those cars (you can buy packs of Tokens at the following prices: 100 is £0.79, 575 is £3.99, 1250 is £7.99, 2700 is £15.99, 8000 is £39.99 and 20,000 is £64.99), so with the 2700 Token pack that's one vehicle for £13.82. But there's much more expensive cars in Forza Motorsport 5, but the more Tokens you buy, the cheaper they are. If you bought the 20,000 pack (costing £64.99) the McLaren would cost just £7.58.

From the same pricing, a Veyron Super Sport will set you back £13.00, and the most expensive car in the game, the Lotus E21 will cost an incredible £32.50. The smaller the pack of Tokens, the more expensive they are, so the worst possible way of picking up the game's most expensive car would be to buy 100 of the 100 Token packs, bagging you the exclusive 10,000 Token Lotus E21 for a cool £79.

So the cheapest you could buy the F1 car was £32.50! And if you wanted to buy it in game with winnings/payouts im sure it would take you around 6 months at 4 hours a night

 

[UKMikey]

Your right, After 2 years my memory is a bit hazy on it



So the cheapest you could buy the F1 car was £32.50! And if you wanted to buy it in game with winnings/payouts im sure it would take you around 6 months at 4 hours a night

These days you'd just wait for the Forza Rewards to build up. I'm pretty sure that's how I got my E21 or they might have actually given it away as a freebie. I'd be surprised if anyone on this forum actually spent thirty quid on the car.

 

[UkHardcore23]

Turns out i was right...

"Great value 2700 tokens for $49.99"

Pure Evil

£32.50 must of been the revised price

 

[mrPetros]

Sounds like you didnt play it at launch as what he says in 100% true. T10 rigged the economy so that the end of race payouts was extremely small which encouraged people to part with real money to buy cars which they were charging up to £80-over£100 if i remember right. Which is INSANE amount of money for virtual cars. 1 car was costing double the amount of the full game

Does not matter what the game is no one should be charging over 50p-£1 for a virtual car!

nope! sounds like you also didnt play it at launch. because you are wrong too.
not only I DID play it from day 1, but also because I was confused by lots of stupid "forza is pay-to-play" propaganda "articles" as they flooded the internet, I grinded the game since day 1.
So in ...three days time I had the lotus f1 car, the indy f1 and the classic niki lauda etc.
cold hard fact is
not even in NFS I could get to the "end game" vehicles this quick

now, lets remember what the internet "opinion leaders" were saying back then:

pretty disgusting in retrospect, isn't it?


And when t10 gutted the economy, basically they removed the money aspect altogether.
money became almost cosmetic. the part where you get to carefully plan those upgrades because money, it was lost at that point.
from that point on, money didnt matter but only to immediately get the most exotic car.
anything else became ..free
anybody who has played the game enough can attest to that.
and on top of that, you got stuff like your reward system which basically keeps on giving buckets of money.

 

[UKMikey]

now, lets remember what the internet "opinion leaders" were saying back then:

pretty disgusting in retrospect, isn't it?

It's kind of ironic that there's a link underneath Francis's video on the YouTube page asking people to support him via donations. Wonder how that's working out for him.

 

[Igano]

I never played FM5 but from my experience with FH2 you get WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. Money is no longer a resource. I loved in GT6 when you could buy that really good car you were saving for. I don't suggest going to extremes but making money a resource that you would want to manage, would give another aspect to the game!

 

[doctorrg]

I have to say, I too found it odd for T10 to say "at launch", why wouldn't they just say there'll be no tokens? As for tokens themselves, I honestly don't care (much). If there really are people willing to spend tens of dollars just to get a virtual car, so be it. I most certainly won't. If T10 do add tokens at a later date, I simply hope they'll do it like in Horizon 2, where you can disable the feature completely. There have been a couple times where I let the kids play FM5 only to be confronted with the buy tokens screen on my return. The only real reason why I don't like that there were tokens in the past is because I refused to buy any, out of priciple, which means there's a quite significant portion of rewards points I'll never get.

 

[UkHardcore23]

nope! sounds like you also didnt play it at launch. because you are wrong too.
not only I DID play it from day 1, but also because I was confused by lots of stupid "forza is pay-to-play" propaganda "articles" as they flooded the internet, I grinded the game since day 1.
So in ...three days time I had the lotus f1 car, the indy f1 and the classic niki lauda etc.
cold hard fact is
not even in NFS I could get to the "end game" vehicles this quick

Did you grind or did you just go round an oval track with the gas taped down

If you had played the game properly it would take 6 months at 4 hours a night doing career races!

 

[doctorrg]

Did you grind or did you just go round an oval track with the gas taped down

If you had played the game properly it would take 6 months at 4 hours a night doing career races!

It would have been harder back then. Nowadays all you have to do is just under a lap and park.

 

[VXR]

I had 1250 free tokens and Turn 10's half-price weekend a couple of weeks after launch netted me just about any car I wanted.

 

[mrPetros]

Did you grind or did you just go round an oval track with the gas taped down

If you had played the game properly it would take 6 months at 4 hours a night doing career races!

gas taped down doesnt work good in forza

point and bottom line is, game was crucified because console wars!

ANY game that drives better than forza 4 should be only celebrated, and not what -wrongly and without true cause- was blamed on this one.

in my opinion, forza 5 was the best console launch game EVER. and I've been through enough launches...

 

[doctorrg]

gas taped down doesnt work good in forza

Actually, it works quite well (not on the oval), I got a lot of achievements in FM5 that way. lol

 

[JC_Dude]

In drag races, I presume. Not an effective way of grinding money.

 

[doctorrg]

Not an effective way of grinding money, no, but very effective for grinding (certain) achievements.

 

[mrPetros]

hmm drag races I dont do much in forza. I need a working tree for launching before I do drag seriously
so if tape works on that, I dont know. but just to be clear, when I wrote "I grinded" I never meant this kind of grind with tapes etc. just regular hand-picked races where the pay was the most.

 

[doctorrg]

I never meant this kind of grind with tapes etc. just regular hand-picked races where the pay was the most.

We got that, I simply (jokingly) commented on the tape comment. Setting up a game and then pressing the X button every 15 minutes is hardly "grinding", it's something you leisurely do on the side.

 

[Hillcrest34]

I realize you havent played the game at launch.
thats all I realize

I didn't play at launch because I didn't want to fork out $700 AUD for a one and FM5, and to be honest I would have hated myself if I did, FM5 was average at best. But the way T10 intended you to play the game would have taken forever to earn the amount of money to buy the most expensive cars, hence the significant backlash (which actually happen and was why they changed the economy)

in my opinion, forza 5 was the best console launch game EVER. and I've been through enough launches...

Super Mario 64 > FM5

 

[mrPetros]

I didn't play at launch because I didn't want to fork out $700 AUD for a one and FM5, and to be honest I would have hated myself if I did, FM5 was average at best. But the way T10 intended you to play the game would have taken forever to earn the amount of money to buy the most expensive cars, hence the significant backlash (which actually happen and was why they changed the economy)

how can you still insist on that? I already told you I was able to get the "end game" cars in 3 days, even faster than Need for Speed.

edit: about f5 being "average at best", I have no comment. maybe you could direct me towards those games that were much superior to f5? especially circa nov'13?

 

[yabiggoose]

Until you realize that M. Rossi's murderous ass is on the field.

He is ruthless. Beyond ruthless. Gives me shellshock.

 

[Hillcrest34]

how can you still insist on that? I already told you I was able to get the "end game" cars in 3 days, even faster than Need for Speed.

edit: about f5 being "average at best", I have no comment. maybe you could direct me towards those games that were much superior to f5? especially circa nov'13?

I can insist on it because T10 changed the economy in game, it actually happened! What part of this do you fail to understand, this was a real thing that happened, I don't care that you grinded a game for 3 days to buy those cars, big whoop. The general concencus was that turn 10 made payouts too small and the I game price of cars too high, with micro transactions too present, hence why they bowed to community pressure and changed the in game economy

There a lot of games much superior to FM5, check the history of gaming

 

[MagpieRacer]

Yes the economy changed as a direct result of fan feedback. It's not different to GT5 spec 2.0 being practically a different game or comparing drive club at release to drive club now. There's no point dwelling on the past because it no long exists. At the end not the day t10 should get kudos for changing it in the first place, putting it as a backseat in fh2 and scrapping g it altogether for fm6.

To be honest, even then we can't really gauge what that means for Forza 6, for all we know the payouts could still be poor, 12k for championship completion etc just without microtransactions. What's helping my mind with regards to the Forza 6 economy is that a lot of people will be starting with 25 million credits.

 

[mrPetros]

I can insist on it because T10 changed the economy in game, it actually happened! What part of this do you fail to understand, this was a real thing that happened, I don't care that you grinded a game for 3 days to buy those cars, big whoop. The general concencus was that turn 10 made payouts too small and the I game price of cars too high, with micro transactions too present, hence why they bowed to community pressure and changed the in game economy

There a lot of games much superior to FM5, check the history of gaming

the general consensus of people like you maybe. people that didnt play the game and read about it from sources like I put above.
you know, back on those launch days, us forza 5 players were speaking to each other while playing every day, and nobody shared the feelings of the "opinion leaders".
all of us thought they were extremely exaggerated. and thats the truth.
edit: oh, and OF COURSE NONE OF US PAID EVEN A DIME EXTRA WHILE THE INTERNET WAS RAGING ABOUT FORZA 5 "MILKING US"

and after turn10 rigged the economy, I say again that MONEY ASPECT ON FORZA WENT OUT THE WINDOW, since you could very easily afford upgrades/parts and everything that is not very exotic became almost insta-free.
and it doesnt matter that you didnt play forza 5 back then, you can play it right now and witness exactly what I write.



oh, and please, I insist on you writing down for me some games so superior to forza 5, which you called "average at best". I like good racing games and you would do me a favor.
unless you want to go by "what the press/general public said" on this one too.

 

[Hillcrest34]

the general consensus of people like you maybe. people that didnt play the game and read about it from sources like I put above.
you know, back on those launch days, us forza 5 players were speaking to each other while playing every day, and nobody shared the feelings of the "opinion leaders".
all of us thought they were extremely exaggerated. and thats the truth.


and after turn10 rigged the economy, I say again that MONEY ASPECT ON FORZA WENT OUT THE WINDOW, since you could very easily afford upgrades/parts and everything that is not very exotic became almost insta-free.
and it doesnt matter that you didnt play forza 5 back then, you can play it right now and witness exactly what I write.



oh, and please, I insist on you writing down for me some games superior to forza 5, which you called "average at best".
unless you want to go by "what the press/general public said" on this one too.

Put the brakes on the fanboi train for one second

All I have told you is what happened, it happened whether you like it or not, the point your arguing is moot.

I didn't even get involved in the arguments because I had nothing to do with that game at that the time. I wasn't interested in and probably would have bough FM5, but I got it for free anyway when I bought my xbone. It is average in my opinion, it's soulless, repetitive and basic. The only reason I played it so much was because I was a part of a league.

I'm sorry you disagree because you clearly consider FM5 the pinnacle of gaming

 

[mrPetros]

so you are saying that all the facts are moot, because t10 DID rig the economy to stop the bad press on a just released product. (xbox in general, and forza by being a top launch game)
and what actual players at that time said or did has nothing to do with your opinion.
I understand.


ps
about what I think forza 5 was, I already wrote above, you dont have to imagine for me. want me to write again? best ever console launch game, and racing game of the year is what I give it.
I still see no games listed by you though.. being a console racer guy, you shouldnt have a problem throwing some games that are better than your average racing game.

 

[ImaRobot]

Put the brakes on the fanboi train for one second

Put the brakes on the stupid remarks for one second.

All I have told you is what happened, it happened whether you like it or not, the point your arguing is moot.

I didn't even get involved in the arguments because I had nothing to do with that game at that the time. I wasn't interested in and probably would have bough FM5, but I got it for free anyway when I bought my xbone. It is average in my opinion, it's soulless, repetitive and basic. The only reason I played it so much was because I was a part of a league.

I'm sorry you disagree because you clearly consider FM5 the pinnacle of gaming

I'm confused as to why it even matters in the first place? We are now arguing about something they aren't doing anymore?

I'm also not sure why, or how, its a dig at him that he likes the game?

Something I found funny "there are alot of games better then FM5, go ahead and search every game in the world and you'll find something probably." Such a vague statement

 

[Hillcrest34]

so you are saying that all the facts are moot, because t10 DID rig the economy to stop the bad press on a just released product. (xbox in general, and forza by being a top launch game)
and what actual players at that time said or did has nothing to do with your opinion.
I understand.


ps
about what I think forza 5 was, I already wrote above, you dont have to imagine for me. want me to write again? best ever console launch game, and racing game of the year is what I give it.
I still see no games listed by you though.. being a console racer guy, you shouldnt have a problem throwing some games that are better than your average racing game.

Just because you and your mates didn't think it was broken doesn't mean a lot of other people did, that's what I'm saying, why is that so goddam hard for you to grasp

Look all you've don't is make insinuations about me, and all I've tried to tell you is that it happened, and the reason why it happened. Constantly coming back and making insulations about me and having a go at me over nothing

Put the brakes on the stupid remarks for one second.


I'm confused as to why it even matters in the first place? We are now arguing about something they aren't doing anymore?

I'm also not sure why, or how, its a dig at him that he likes the game?

Something I found funny "there are alot of games better then FM5, go ahead and search every game in the world and you'll find something probably." Such a vague statement

Jesus Christ, I didn't dig at him because I said he likes the game, Im confused as to why you're butting in having a go at me when you clearly haven't read the other posts. I called him a fanboi because he is acting like one and blindly defending a system the not many people liked.

And I haven't added a wall of text of other games because this is a thread on the FM6 section, it's not my fault he wants to start a pissing contest about what game is better.

 

[mrPetros]

Just because you and your mates didn't think it was broken doesn't mean a lot of other people did, that's what I'm saying, why is that so goddam hard for you to grasp

well, these "other people", were they actually PLAYING the game and were forced to buy tokens or stale progress? or they went by the internet rumors? 'cause me "and my mates" were playing.

you know, we could talk about more valid things than what you are saying.
personally -and most of people I know that play forza- were disappointed with how the new system of stores and rewards for creators worked, and that was/is a valid complaint. not the stupid comments on internet about ..tokens!
but then we have to keep in mind that community broke the old system, so they had to come up with a new one, in a (console)system that wasn't even finalized yet.
its stuff like this that are more interesting to follow their progress and discuss than calling me a "fanboi" because I explain to you stuff you obviously mislearned..

 

[ImaRobot]

Jesus Christ, I didn't dig at him because I said he likes the game, Im confused as to why you're butting in having a go at me when you clearly haven't read the other posts. I called him a fanboi because he is acting like one and blindly defending a system the not many people liked.

You're making it out to be that way. I have read all the other post, and you're arguing about a system that is no longer in place. Who cares? I like the system, I like the game. Fanboi? Like I said, put the brakes on the stupid remarks for one second.

And I haven't added a wall of text of other games because this is a thread on the FM6 section, it's not my fault he wants to start a pissing contest about what game is better.

Well then don't bring it up in the first place.

Just because you and your mates didn't think it was broken doesn't mean a lot of other people did, that's what I'm saying, why is that so goddam hard for you to grasp

And the exact opposite can be said to you, and thats what he's saying..

 

[Hillcrest34]

well, these "other people", were they actually PLAYING the game and were forced to buy tokens or stale progress? or they went by the internet rumors? 'cause me "and my mates" were playing.

you know, we could talk about more valid things than what you are saying.
personally -and most of people I know that play forza- were disappointed with how the new system of stores and rewards for creators worked, and that was/is a valid complaint. not the stupid comments on internet about ..tokens!
but then we have to keep in mind that community broke the old system, so they had to come up with a new one, in a system that wasn't even finalized yet.
its stuff like this that are more interesting to follow their progress and discuss than calling me a "fanboi" because I explain to you stuff you obviously mislearned..

I'm calling you a fanboi because you're constant referral to "other people who wanna slag off the game", the majority by the way, who's opinion was different to yours and your buddies, but also because of your incredulation that I called FM5 average and subsequent attempt to start a comparison of games!

You're making it out to be that way. I have read all the other post, and you're arguing about a system that is no longer in place. Who cares? I like the system, I like the game. Fanboi? Like I said, put the brakes on the stupid remarks for one second.


Well then don't bring it up in the first place.

Hahahahaha, just stop mate.

I didn't call you a fanboi btw

Besides, on the games comparison, I didn't bring it up in the first place, all I said was that FM5 was average, he then asked me to tell him what games were better.

Might want to read the posts there buddy

 

[ImaRobot]

Hahahahaha, just stop mate I didn't even call you a fanboi!
Besides I didn't bring it up in the first place, all I said was that FM5 was average, he then asked me to tell him what games were better.

Might want to read the posts there buddy

I wasn't confused as to who you where aiming that at. I was responding to it anyways telling you how stupid it is to use a remark like that.

You are the one that argued with him that the economy used to be like that. Like I said, who cares? Its not the case anymore. For someone that lacks reading comprehension, I find it funny that you'd go around telling others to read the posts.