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The164 is on the official Forza forum's suggestions area. I've already upvoted in the hope it'll come to pass.
Forza Suggestions Hub: Alfa Romeo 164 1987-1998
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Forza Suggestions Hub: Alfa Romeo 164 1987-1998
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- Alabamistan
I can kick myself for not thinking of this right from the beginning of the game. I usually always check to see if there is an adjustment to either steering lock or steering ratio in a game if I'm having trouble but for some reason I never checked it in Forza Motorsport.
So I went in and tried some adjustments using @DG_Silva suggestions and I do wonder if it could be brand of wheel specific. Because for my Fanatec CSL DD I tried GT2/3 at 90% and the wheel on screen was turning a lot more than my physical wheel was. But back at 100% it's pretty close to 1:1 and the car is easier to drive.
I tried the Lamborghini SC63 at 75% but again the onscreen wheel was out of sync with my turning of the wheel. 80% though puts it very close to 1:1 and improves the handling. It could probably stand another % point or two up but I'll mess around with it later.
But adjusting the '86 Lotus 98T to 60% helped it tremendously. All of those type cars I have are very lose handling so I need to try and fix them.
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Would be nice to get a new LMP3.
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FM 2023 is so good.
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I like it too. I like the racing moreso that the other similar game on a different platform.
At least when the AI doesn't rail the brakes in front of me on a corner that doesn't need any braking at all. 😂
Good to hear you're having fun.
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Me having played the other game that's on the other platform, I will always find it strange that the side activities are much better/actually fun than the main thing, will never understand how that's the case. Still had a good time with it, just done/bored with it after grinding and buying cars you couldn't truly efficiently race was all I was doing on it in the last 150+ hours I put on it, that and the races were usually boring outside the grind stuff to anyways.
Hearing all the negative discourse around FM 2023 since launch and before I brought it though, I thought I was going to be disappointed due to all the reception and my experience not being stellar with FM7 too didn't help my mixed feelings on FM 2023 either, while the Builder's Cup is lacking (I really hope they do end up putting all the limited time events in the Cup), the racing is still good usually, the driving model is much improved and enjoyable, the car selection is amazing (and I'm not intentionally held back to drive anything legendary/iconic, I'm not a little kid, let me drive a McLaren F1 and a Ferrari GTO 250 at anytime with no super high prices and no limited time thing to worry about dammit lol, even a C1 Corvette being hard to obtain JUST TO DRIVE in that other game is insane 😭) and even the track selection is pretty good (Not PC2/AMS2 spoiled kind of good in track selection, but I'm happy what's here still)
My thoughts are it's a solid racer today in the near 20 hours I put on it so far and will continue to feel that way after I get on again soon. I say if anyone says they tried this game for a few hours and say they didn't enjoy anything from those few hours at all, they're being dishonest is all I have to say.
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So good in fact that I deleted it from my Xbox.
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Feels weird to me that this game came out in 2023, still feels early in its life yet completely dead.
I've never liked the continuous service system that all of modern games have nowadays, they only work when the game is a bonafide hit I feel, otherwise the devs are just putting in labour towards a game that was in this case DOA, rather than putting it towards a fresh start. Fresh coats of paint only so much.
It's sad, because until FM6 I was all on board, thought it was fantastic, and after FM7, I thought maybe they could bring it back.
It's just so user unfriendly. The menus are terrible and counterintuitive. The upgrade screens are and dark and stiff, you can't look around your car while making visual changes, but it doesn't matter anyway because the environment is darkly lit you wouldn't be able to see it anyway. The paint menu are options are poor, especially when compared with FH. Doesn't make sense to me why there isn't more collaboration between the developers. Other than the cars, so much doesn't translate between the games. Often well received featured just completely lost to the other franchise.
Saddest part to me is that the game is just completely devoid of any character, personality or atmosphere. The home space is a sad grey garage, and the menu is 'modern', yet so dull.
It's not all negative, the driving experience is far and away the best of any Forza, do enjoy just picking up the game to drive. Graphically they've made improvements from release as well, some tracks that look poor in previous games looking fantastic now (Bathurst for eg).
But unfortunately the game just feels dead and hollow, and knowing they're in for the long haul, actually doesn't give me hope for the franchise.
I've never liked the continuous service system that all of modern games have nowadays, they only work when the game is a bonafide hit I feel, otherwise the devs are just putting in labour towards a game that was in this case DOA, rather than putting it towards a fresh start. Fresh coats of paint only so much.
It's sad, because until FM6 I was all on board, thought it was fantastic, and after FM7, I thought maybe they could bring it back.
It's just so user unfriendly. The menus are terrible and counterintuitive. The upgrade screens are and dark and stiff, you can't look around your car while making visual changes, but it doesn't matter anyway because the environment is darkly lit you wouldn't be able to see it anyway. The paint menu are options are poor, especially when compared with FH. Doesn't make sense to me why there isn't more collaboration between the developers. Other than the cars, so much doesn't translate between the games. Often well received featured just completely lost to the other franchise.
Saddest part to me is that the game is just completely devoid of any character, personality or atmosphere. The home space is a sad grey garage, and the menu is 'modern', yet so dull.
It's not all negative, the driving experience is far and away the best of any Forza, do enjoy just picking up the game to drive. Graphically they've made improvements from release as well, some tracks that look poor in previous games looking fantastic now (Bathurst for eg).
But unfortunately the game just feels dead and hollow, and knowing they're in for the long haul, actually doesn't give me hope for the franchise.
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I am looking at 1,200 hours spent with FM23, and I understand some areas where the game feels like it's missing something, but I still enjoy playing it. For me I make my own fun using free play, especially when the monthly activity falls short of hitting the right note. I just take what I liked in the career races and re-construct it, but with the parameters I was looking for... (I remake the same events but make the races longer. 
). Sure, it's some lonely kid with no friends' stuff, but that's due mostly to me having a schedule that has me at work, where most local (by way of internet ping) players are at home. And the "jump in" aspect of public multiplayer is something I just cannot get into. I would like to know that the people on the other end of the internet, are showing some sportsmanship and not trying to make an "example" out of the guy in the grey Mustang. (Replace the word 'example' with more colorful language. It'll make better sense.)
If somethings were simply made as options, like being able to set how many laps you want to run... That would be a major boost for the "Career" side of things. Then the 3 or 4 races that Turn 10 expects to occupy our time for a week, will actually do so, without the need make up for it in free play. But for now, FM23 is my DIY racing experience. I do have access to bonified better titles, but for some reason, FM23 is easier to fall into. Even with it's issues.
). Sure, it's some lonely kid with no friends' stuff, but that's due mostly to me having a schedule that has me at work, where most local (by way of internet ping) players are at home. And the "jump in" aspect of public multiplayer is something I just cannot get into. I would like to know that the people on the other end of the internet, are showing some sportsmanship and not trying to make an "example" out of the guy in the grey Mustang. (Replace the word 'example' with more colorful language. It'll make better sense.)If somethings were simply made as options, like being able to set how many laps you want to run... That would be a major boost for the "Career" side of things. Then the 3 or 4 races that Turn 10 expects to occupy our time for a week, will actually do so, without the need make up for it in free play. But for now, FM23 is my DIY racing experience. I do have access to bonified better titles, but for some reason, FM23 is easier to fall into. Even with it's issues.
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Of the FM games I've played, FM4 had the strongest personality, thanks to Autovista with the (almost) unfiltered opinions of one Jeremy Clark and its single player format. FM5 was a graphical leap but at the expense of content, some of which they tried to sell us back in car packs when it was free on FM4, and that started to sour our opinion.
FM6 was a return to form and has the classiest presentation of all, almost GT-like in some respects: menus, music, etc. it just felt right... and it's at this point where they should have started developing things "from the ground up" instead of wasting time with FM7, IMO.
But I've played this FM from the beginning and I'm close to 1,000 hours of play, so I've been through the initial disappointment and seen the lows but also the steady improvements over time, and I think it has a lot of yet untapped potential, and I hope they keep at it.
FM6 was a return to form and has the classiest presentation of all, almost GT-like in some respects: menus, music, etc. it just felt right... and it's at this point where they should have started developing things "from the ground up" instead of wasting time with FM7, IMO.
But I've played this FM from the beginning and I'm close to 1,000 hours of play, so I've been through the initial disappointment and seen the lows but also the steady improvements over time, and I think it has a lot of yet untapped potential, and I hope they keep at it.
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I don't agree with it being devoid of "Character", "Personality", and "Atmosphere"
The menus look fine and work and don't need to have visual bloat to appease my eyes and stimulate my brain as if my attention span loses itself after 10 seconds when I'm not getting something flashed at me, last I checked for me, FM7 was the one that I feel is the one that truly has no character, personality, and atmosphere, despite having more of everything compared to FM2023.
For me, FM2023 is one of those cases where less is more, and I stand by that. I don't want a game pretending to be more or telling me it's much more than what it actually is, I want a game telling me what it really is and that's what FM2023 does, and what it is today, is a racer that provides solid racing for the most part, has a really great, with a no bloat car selection really, and having a track selection that gives arguably almost every car purpose I would say, that is what I would argue is a game with character, personality, and atmosphere.
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I do the same thing in freeplay and it always turns out more fun that way. I literally did a 2 and a half hour race on Yas Marina using prototypes and GT cars with pit stops and all and had a great time. Watching the weather and time of day change just added to the immersion of it. Most of the time I don't get that in career, it's just the repetitive chore of 4 basic races with so-so AI running about 3-6 laps on average and then done. BoringI am looking at 1,200 hours spent with FM23, and I understand some areas where the game feels like it's missing something, but I still enjoy playing it. For me I make my own fun using free play, especially when the monthly activity falls short of hitting the right note. I just take what I liked in the career races and re-construct it, but with the parameters I was looking for... (I remake the same events but make the races longer.
If somethings were simply made as options, like being able to set how many laps you want to run... That would be a major boost for the "Career" side of things. Then the 3 or 4 races that Turn 10 expects to occupy our time for a week, will actually do so, without the need make up for it in free play. But for now, FM23 is my DIY racing experience. I do have access to bonified better titles, but for some reason, FM23 is easier to fall into. Even with it's issues.
Tired Tyres
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I'd like it if they changed practice into a timed qualifying session to establish the grid in Free Play and campaign mode.
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They would have to fix the AI's practice times first. On that sequence right before the race starts I've seen the pole sitter's time be 1-2 seconds faster than I could do but in the race they are 2 to 3 seconds behind my fastest lap. It's like practice does not match the AI strength level but the race does.
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I usually start off at the position CTG thinks will net me a 3rd to 5th place if I want to come in first. Depending on the car 4th to 6th will sometimes get me there as well. At least I find their assessments fairly consistent. It's flawed but I find it a useful racing tool as opposed to pure trial and error.
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I find the AI setting I need to use mostly depends on how drivable I have been able to make the car I'm using, so I am often adjusting when switching between events. It makes some sense but annoying when the difference between AI level 6 and 7 for example could be 3+ seconds in estimated lap time and neither seem quite right.
Then of course sometimes they are that fast in the race and sometimes they are not, sometimes they start fast and then seem to give up on the last couple laps even when I was barely catching P1. One thing I wish I could set especially in the open events is if I bring a car on street tires I would rather the AI cars were on the same tire, I feel like that alone would make the racing better. I assume you can set a restriction like that in free play but I havent looked myself yet.
Then of course sometimes they are that fast in the race and sometimes they are not, sometimes they start fast and then seem to give up on the last couple laps even when I was barely catching P1. One thing I wish I could set especially in the open events is if I bring a car on street tires I would rather the AI cars were on the same tire, I feel like that alone would make the racing better. I assume you can set a restriction like that in free play but I havent looked myself yet.
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I don't really disagree with anything you have said, but snipped the two parts I heavily agree with.
That being said, we have still been having great organized racing despite the issues which has really been saving it for me. It also creates another sorta mixed or contrasting feeling though, as sometimes it feels like the great races you have take place in spite of the game, so on one hand it is fun but on the other it's disappointing knowing it could be so much better.
I know I've plugged it before, and even recently just a few pages back, but I will continue to do so as I believe it's the way to have the best experience with this title:
I highly recommend looking for an organized league.
It may take a little bit of time to find one that matches up to your work schedule and that you "gel" with, but it's the only way to have consistently decent racing. Racing with a group will also help you find others to run with at those weird hours of the day and running as a group opens so many more options, from ways to improve as a driver and tuner, to opening up the freedom to make custom races with your own car builds or your own fantasy calendar for a series or whatever, to even just having buddies to jump into the public lobbies with to make them more bearable.
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- syphe
This is something I certainly struggle to get my head around, this is mentioned a load in here, but I feel like the character of the game comes from the content it provides, and to me, I love the variety of cars that Forza has, I spend a lot of time driving cars that are full of character, and Forza gives me the ability to drive these cars. Many of the cars that I have at level 50 just don't exist in other games, and best of all, if I feel like driving these cars competitively, I can just upgrade/tune it to a level that I can then just drop into a lobby to compete with other real drivers. This to me is what gives the game character, and when someone comes and suggests when X game comes out FM will be dead, or X game is so much better, to me it can just be simplified to "ACC is so much better than FM", which only tells part of the story, sure ACC is a better simulator for GT3/4 etc cars, but that's not that helpful if I want to go and race a Ford Cortina or Holden Commodore against real players
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I know what you mean but I think "sterile" is probably a better description of the interface/menus/atmosphere. Having said that, I'd prefer sterile over an over-enthused voice over or tv host that is so clearly fake that it's cringeworthy. It's a fine line, no matter what they went with, someone would complain.
The menus are functional for the most part so I'm not too fussed - I'm in it for the driving :-)
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Based on the playtest, this update had a lot of potential. All I can tell is that out of all the cars added, 2 will be NTF. And there’ll be 2 versions of one car that will be added.
And to the Martini livery fans, not even the iconic color palette of its liveries were spared.
And to the Martini livery fans, not even the iconic color palette of its liveries were spared.
May's gonna be a big one, since it's FM05's 20th Anniversary. For sure, it won't be as disappointing as the Horizon Anniversary Update.
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Updates generally don't feel as big as they could be, but I'm hoping May might be a deviation from the norm in that regard. If May isn't finally a big one, what then? I keep telling myself that the next update will be bigger but this is never the case. Obviously they did mention that these few months would be new content only, but I'm referring to before the Jan. 2025 community update.
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