FOTA announces breakaway series !!!

[Div is back]

Wow, you guys have such a weird reaction.

I'd suggest you read this and cheer up a little:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247422

This is not about rules or regulations or any budget caps. It's about GOVERNANCE. Max Mosley is a bloody idiot and Bernie takes 50% of the commercial rights.

Rules and regulations are strictly a smoke screen.

 

[Casio]

Pretty awesome. I would have stopped watching F1 with the budget cap anyway. In any case, we now get twice as many races to watch.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Hopefully this is all a bad dream and my alarm has not woken me up yet. I shouldn't have eaten that cheese last night!

While I didn't eat any cheese, I too woke up to find this mess. And while I also hoped it was all a bad dream, so far reality is proving otherwise.

 

[waggles]

This is going to be interesting. Where/when will the races be run?

Hopefully we Aussies get our fair share.

And if this is the way things are going, then Webber might get his first win next year

 

[Ian Poole]

This is not about rules or regulations or any budget caps. It's about GOVERNANCE. Max Mosley is a bloody idiot and Bernie takes 50% of the commercial rights.

For once, i am going to disagree with you because this is all Ferrari's fault

Put it to you all like this; who hasd the most power in F1 apart from Bernie and Mosley?

Who was the first team to say that they wouldn't be happy with a budget cap?

If, like me, you guessed Ferrari, you have won today's star prize

On the other hand though, it will now be interesting to see what happens as far as television rights, races, regulations and what the reaction towards decisions to Ferrari will be like.

No more F1 kissing their booty

 

[Soundtrack]

I don’t see this happen...hopefully. Fingers crossed, these guys are more clever than they actually look at this point.

 

[Omnis]

Formula Unlimited ftw. I hope this works out because I can't stand all this FIA regulation bullcrap.

 

[chrisbroughton]

What I'm wondering is, if this goes through and there IS a new series, what would it be called?

Formula Fota?

I'm not sure that this isn't going to happen. I know it will be difficult, but the sheer sponsor-pulling weight of Ferrari and the other 7 means I reckon F1 will come of second-best.

It'll be a shame to lose F1 at the end of it's 60th season, but on the other hand I am getting sick and tired of how it is run at the moment and the breakaway series could be much more exciting, and if it's cheaper for fans to go and watch, thats great for you and me.

We'll have to wait and see, though I don't see any of the great 8 agreeing to Mosely's current terms - I think if they can't get a breakaway series up and running they'd rather pack it in than sign up to a cap. But Mosely may come crawling back to the teams when the sponsers and TV broadcasters start walking.

The other thing we've overlooked is that in the FIA's eyes, Ferrari are still under contract. I have no idea what'll happen here...

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

For once, i am going to disagree with you because this is all Ferrari's fault

Put it to you all like this; who hasd the most power in F1 apart from Bernie and Mosley?

Who was the first team to say that they wouldn't be happy with a budget cap?

If, like me, you guessed Ferrari, you have won today's star prize

And who would most likely lose all that power with a breakaway series? Oh wait, there's only one choice.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Its roughly 8am over in Egland, and this is so far:

FIA blames factions in FOTA for split

By Jonathan Noble - Friday, June 19th 2009, 06:59 GMT

The FIA has blamed factions within the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) for the failure of the two parties to reach agreement on the future of the sport, following the announcement that there will be a rival series next year.

The eight members of FOTA met at Renault's Enstone factory on Thursday night to discuss their response to the Friday deadline to lift conditions attached to their entries for the 2010 championship.

After deciding they could not accept what had been put on the table for them by FIA president Max Mosley, the teams confirmed that they would be setting up a breakaway championship in 2010.

The FIA has responded by expressing its disappointment about the decision, and says that some elements with FOTA had always tried to scupper a deal.

"The FIA is disappointed but not surprised by FOTA's inability to reach a compromise in the best interests of the sport," said the statement.

"It is clear that elements within FOTA have sought this outcome throughout the prolonged period of negotiation and have not engaged in the discussions in good faith.

"The FIA cannot permit a financial arms race in the championship nor can the FIA allow FOTA to dictate the rules of Formula 1."

The FIA says that its deadline for teams to lodge unconditional entries will remain as the close of business today, with the full 2010 entry list to be announced on Saturday.

"The deadline for unconditional entries to the 2010 FIA Formula World Championship will expire this evening," it said. "The 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship entry list will be announced tomorrow."

Since this is all anyone is talking about, I expect there is more to come. But if there are factions, I'm wondering who they are. I'd like to punch them one for dropping this mess in our laps and expecting us to be grateful for it.

 

[Roo]

🤬

That is all.

 

[Ardius]

Considering all the current teams besides Williams and Force India will be in the new series, I think it has the potential to be a good series. Add to that the fact that it won't be run by the FIA, Max, and Bernie, and I think it could be better than F1. This could be the beginning of the end of Formula 1. It will be what F1 should be. I'm tired of all the politics. I'd like to see it happen. ...as long as I can still watch the races.

Sadly, I think not. Why does anyone think a series run by the competitors will have less politics and be better I don't know. As competitors they logically have something to gain by arguing over rules and this is why this new series won't be as good as F1. Sure that they agree to things now when they have a supposed common enemy (FIA/FOM) but when they have to sit down and decide rules when something like the "double-diffuser" situation comes about again? I think you will be disappointed.

Sports need an unbiased governance to dictate the rules of play and fairly punish those that break them. The FIA not being one of the teams represents this unbiased faction. Who will with this breakaway series?

 

[Tired Tyres]

What's to stop the FIA from telling all the circuit owners that there will be no more FIA endorsed events at any circuit that hosts a race from the rival series?

If they included National FIA organisations, that would effectively stub this breakaway out before it ever got a chance to actually race on anything other than a track owned by one of the teams.

 

[Metar]

I don't like the splitting idea, but now that it happened... It'll be a matter of who has the strongest backing and who can provide the best spectacle with a minimum of politics entering the racing itself. I can hardly see both series' lasting more than a few years.

Formula GP Vs. Formula 1 - Bring it on!

Of course, like I said, I might simply be denying reality and letting my intense dislike of Briatore get in the way of objectivity. I just don't want this to be real.

Yes, it's that. Try to look at your post objectively - do you realize how daft it sounds? Tying FOTA's decisions to the location of their discussions?

If they're serious, they'll need their own set of techncial and sporting regulations. They can't just copy-and-paste those by the FIA, as they're copyrighted.

I still don't believe it, though.

You can't copyright the rules, but you can copyright the document they are published in. And given that the rules are pretty detailed, you've effectively copyrighted the rule, unless you want to totally re-write the rulebook to say the same things with different words, which would be a complete waste of time.

But less of a hassle than writing an entire document yourself from scratch, as every student who committed plagiary will tell you. Plus, they can very easily just use the same regulations, or modified versions of it: There's nothing preventing me (other than resources) from building a car that complies to the FIA F1 regulations, and race it in my own series. Sporting regulations are pretty much universal across all circuit-racing series', with modifications relating to the weekend schedule. Technical regulations govern the cars: If FOTA wants, their cars will look the same as the FIA cars.

Plus, these are the guys that came up with the 2009 aerodynamic regulations. What's stopping them from repeating this feat?

Pretty awesome. I would have stopped watching F1 with the budget cap anyway. In any case, we now get twice as many races to watch.

^ That. I'm getting to watch both in any case, as long as there's a single broadcaster somewhere in the world televising it - and I'm sure both series' will have at least one in English.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

What's stopping them from repeating this feat?

Sense. There's simply no explanation for the backflip.

 

[m7ammed]

OK to people who think that the teams don't have the money,

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46161

F1 could lose $2.2bn through split

The eight teams that have announced their plan to set up an F1 breakaway series will take with them more than US$2.2 billion of annual investment into the sport, according to research from a leading industry monitor.

The rebel teams – Ferrari, McLaren Mercedes, Toyota, Renault, BMW, Red Bull Racing, Toro Rosso and Brawn GP – have revealed that they will begin preparations for a breakaway series after negotiations broke down with the FIA over cost-cutting regulations for 2010.

Formulamoney calculates that the eight FOTA teams bring US$2.2 billion annually to the sport in team owner contributions, sponsorship and supplier deals – representing 47% of F1’s total revenue generation in 2008.

This figure is comprised of US$1.5 billion in team owner contributions, US$667 million in sponsorship revenues and US$54 million in supplier deals.

Formulamoney says F1 is likely to suffer immediately from the announcement of the breakaway plans because the uncertain situation means fans will be less likely to book tickets in advance for grands prix next year.

That could make it more difficult for race promoters to pay F1’s hosting fees, which average US$23.7 million per race.

Television companies with F1 contracts are also likely to want to renegotiate their deals in light of the sport losing eight of its top names.

These teams also spend vast sums on corporate hospitality and on trackside advertising so their departure will further impact F1’s revenue stream.

F1 requires around US$550 million in annual revenues to meet its costs and liabilities so it needs to bring in at least this sum to remain solvent.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

What's to stop the FIA from telling all the circuit owners that there will be no more FIA endorsed events at any circuit that hosts a race from the rival series?

If they included National FIA organisations, that would effectively stub this breakaway out before it ever got a chance to actually race on anything other than a track owned by one of the teams.

I don´t think that will be a problem. I think many tracks will be happy to break with FOM and FIA, since they, especially FOM, demands vast sums of money for F1. If anything, the racepromotors should pay the tracks to be allowed to run there.

 

[Metar]

And we mustn't forget that FOM, and along with it F1 itself, are massively in debt to the CVC - and that the CVC, in turn, has a massive loan to pay off for the ownership of F1. That's the key to Bernie's vicegrip on F1, and when this comes crashing down...

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Wow, I didn´t even think about that. Will there even be a Formula 1 series next year?

 

[Famine]

Anyone else suffering from Deja vu?



Anyone else suffering from Deja vu?



Anyone else suffering from Deja vu?



Anyone else suffering from Deja vu?

 

[Hun200kmh]

Although you can see similarities between what's happening now and the FISA-FOCA war, there's a BIG difference. This time, the manufacturers are at war with the governing body.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

So will GPDA just sit by quietly this time, or will they interfere? AFAIK, noone has asked the drivers what they think about this mess.

 

[Famine]

Although you can see similarities between what's happening now and the FISA-FOCA war, there's a BIG difference. This time, the manufacturers are at war with the governing body.

And in 1982 FISA were the governing body and FOCA were the constructors (ironically headed by Bernie and Max)...

 

[m7ammed]

So will GPDA just sit by quietly this time, or will they interfere? AFAIK, noone has asked the drivers what they think about this mess.

They met with the drivers 2 weeks back at the Turkish Grand Prix and the drivers gave their support to FOTA

 

[Metar]

So will GPDA just sit by quietly this time, or will they interfere? AFAIK, noone has asked the drivers what they think about this mess.

Quite a few stated that they're sticking with their teams: Massa confirmed that "He's a Ferrari man through and through, even if they cease open-wheel racing", and Alonso stated that FIA-F1 will be his lowest priority should the current teams defect.

 

[TheCracker]

So will GPDA just sit by quietly this time, or will they interfere? AFAIK, noone has asked the drivers what they think about this mess.

The drivers will have to tow which ever line their teams are following. Privately i can't see any of the FOTA sided drivers been all that chuffed about fighting for some other championship when they've spent most of their lives striving to be the F1 World Champion.

 

[Touring Mars]

That's great, it started with the FIA
Chains, whips and bondage gear
But Max Mosley was not afraid

Team by team they're leaving, tethered, budget-capped
Look at that low spending, fine, then
Uh-oh overflow, credit crunch, but it'll do
Save yourself, serve yourself, teams will serve their own needs
Silverstone, TV hour, don't get caught in foreign towers
Slash and burn, no return, listen to the fans churn
Vitreolic, patriotic, stand, fight, bright, light
Feeling pretty psyched

It's the end of F1 as we know it
It's the end of F1 as we know it
It's the end of F1 as we know it
And I feel fine

The other night I dreamt of knives, and the FIA in a line
Team bosses of F1, BERNIE ECCELSTONE
Luca di Montezemolo, Flavio Briatore
Birthday party, cheesecake, breakaways, boom!
Symbiotic, unpatriotic, set up by 2010...
Right? Right!

It's the end of F1 as we know it
It's the end of F1 as we know it (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of F1 as we know it
And I feel fine

 

[Hun200kmh]

And in 1982 FISA were the governing body and FOCA were the constructors (ironically headed by Bernie and Max)...

Yes, Famine, but what I'm pointing out is that in the FISA-FOCA war, the ones opposed to FISA were the "traditional" constructors, like Williams, Lotus and Brabham, not the car manufacturers (at the time Ferrari, Renault, Alfa Romeo, if I'm not mistaken).

This time, and with the notable exceptions of Brawn and Red Bull/STR, the war with the governing body is waged by Ferrari, Renault (Alfa ROmeo is out of F1), and Mercedes, Toyota, BMW.

This is what I was pointing out.

 

[alba]

Finally, I think it's a good thing imo.

Polyphony, get on that thing and get the rival license please? So we can have them in GT5

 

[picklesam]

i think this is good news BUT i dont think it wont happen, the biggest loser i think is commercial holders ie Bernie, makes no sense for him to let the major teams go, i mean who's going to watch f1 without the 8 teams? Bernie would rather pay a bribe to Max to change his mind or pay someone to break his legs before he lets the 8 teams go.