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But at this point, why do they need to compromise? They're already in control of everything if they have their own series. And do you think all of a sudden they're gonna forget how FOM treated them and give Bernie the financial reins?
FOTA announces breakaway series !!!
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), No one can do worse then Bernie and Max.
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LOL! Wow, this was quick!
Max is playing his games again, now he's saying F1 will stay at Silverstone:
http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5389418,00.html
With the threat of a rival series, I don't need to explain why he's doing this...taking us for fools...
Max is playing his games again, now he's saying F1 will stay at Silverstone:
http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5389418,00.html
With the threat of a rival series, I don't need to explain why he's doing this...taking us for fools...
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It sounds like he's appealing to the BRDC. Damon Hill & Friends must be feeling a little hard done-by with the loss of the British Grand Prix "forever", so by offering them the race back, Mosley is trying to rally support. However, it'll probably set the owners of Donington against him and annoy Bernie Ecclestone.
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One thing is to try and make friends, a completely different side is to suddenly feign interest in people to suffocate any attempt at competition. Remember when Bernie swore "Not going back to Silverstone even if was the last track on earth"? Wanna see how an alternative Formula changes that in the bat of an eyelid?:
http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5390194,00.html
Mosley and Bernie are the most two-faced hypocrites I've ever had the displeasure of knowing.
http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5390194,00.html
Mosley and Bernie are the most two-faced hypocrites I've ever had the displeasure of knowing.
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It has apparently struck Sex Fiend that FOTA are actually deadly serious. In other news, it has become increasingly obvious that he is a very poor poker player:
I hope he does the soup thing. It gives us all a laugh and we don't all die from it.
So, he starts off willing to talk with FOTA, provided they come to him. Then, he gets pissy with the teams and decides to sue. Now, he's realised that isn't working, and he's going to try talking to them again by going to them. He probably thinks that if he does it, he'll get re-elected. I have no idea what the man will do next: either rub soup in his hair or blow us all up.
I hope he does the soup thing. It gives us all a laugh and we don't all die from it.
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We don't get any of that. As soon as the points-scorers are over the line, it cuts back to the Australian commentators. We'll then see the podium and an extract from the press conference with the top three. Nothing else. I'd check out Formula1.com to see what you mean, but they've remained mum on the whole breakaway issue, rather unsurprisingly.
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"Eeeh, if Max Mosley say we're Loonies, then I guess I'm Loony..."
That was the gist of it when Brundle approached Flavio.
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I was half expecting the BBC Sport label to say "Flavio Briatore: Looney Team Principle".
Hmm, I wonder if someone uploaded the BBC interview with Rob Smedley from the Red Button forum, as that was a really good one and its a shame people not in the UK didn't see/hear it.
While, were on the subject, the BBC have an impressive relationship with the teams, drivers, FIA and the host circuits/nations. We've had interviews from basically everyone and they've usually been quite happy, joking with the presenters/pundits/commentators/reporters and its really made the pre-race and post-race stuff brilliant.
Of particular note has been their interviews with Felipe Massa, who has really come across as down-to-earth and telling us way more than in press conferences about himself and everything else. Both Ted and Lee are really good at asking the drivers and team principals really pointed questions that put them on the spot, all good stuff.
I'll try and find the interviews if I can for everyone to see....might be worth its own thread if the quality keeps up!
Hmm, I wonder if someone uploaded the BBC interview with Rob Smedley from the Red Button forum, as that was a really good one and its a shame people not in the UK didn't see/hear it.
While, were on the subject, the BBC have an impressive relationship with the teams, drivers, FIA and the host circuits/nations. We've had interviews from basically everyone and they've usually been quite happy, joking with the presenters/pundits/commentators/reporters and its really made the pre-race and post-race stuff brilliant.
Of particular note has been their interviews with Felipe Massa, who has really come across as down-to-earth and telling us way more than in press conferences about himself and everything else. Both Ted and Lee are really good at asking the drivers and team principals really pointed questions that put them on the spot, all good stuff.
I'll try and find the interviews if I can for everyone to see....might be worth its own thread if the quality keeps up!
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I'd say a lot of that is Martin Brundle's presence. He's been in sport for years, knows eveyone and everyone knows him. If it were a different presenter doing the grid-walk every time, the rapport certainly wouldn't be there. I mean, look at the Australian broadcast: we get ten minutes of analysis - which is usually very poor; I recall the commentators referring to Priory as Ferrari last night - and playing up Mark Webber's chances, then talking to Peter Windsor and then it's straight into the warmup lap.
Anyway, back on topic: Ecclestone isn't having any of it.
This could be a good thing. Out of Bernie and Max, Ecclestone always struck me as the more powerful of the two because his power doesn't depen upon the FIA. If he sides with FOTA, this could end very quickly.
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Actually it isn't. Most of the interviews I'm referring to are actually with Jake Humphrey most of the time.
Granted, Brundle knows people...but then so do David Coulthard and Eddie Jordan. I'm sure it helps organise the serious interviews with people like
Christian Horner.
ITV also had Brundle and Blundell and they never had these kind of interviews.
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Well, like I said ... we don't get much outside the race.
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He's also pretty-much guaranteeing that, in the short-term at least, there won't be a British FOTA 'GP' race by locking both Donington and Silverstone to the FiA circus. That's what i read from Bernies comments on the subject.
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Depends upon which way Hill is inclined to go. If FOTA say "We want Silverstone" and Mosley says "We might go back to Silverstone despite what Bernie said", which way would you be inclined to jump?
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Well, it was Bernie who mentioned first that Silverstone is now in favor with him (after changes in the BRDC) and are now lined up to hold the 2010 British GP if Donington isn't ready in time. Max just confirmed the same point later on. The BRDC, of which Hill is just the figure head, are a bunch of old blokes for whom history is a huge part of the Silverstone image. They held the very first F1 race 60 years ago. They'll pic F1 over anything.
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They could hold both races (each track hosting a different British GP), especially if Donington is ready on time. But i get the impression that by dangling the BRDC/Silverstone the carrot of possibly hosting the 2010 F1 British GP - and maybe beyond, that they'd be unlikely to sign up for hosting the brake away series's GP. Donington and Silverstone are the only British race tracks that could realistically host a Grand Prix these days.
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The way I see it, there will be no FIA Formula One championship in 2010, if indeed an agreement isn't reached and FOTA sets up their own championship without the FIA.
Max Mosley clearly trusted FOTA would split under the enormous pressure he put them to. (short deadline/ Apply or you're out/legal actions ... ). And he had no "backup" plan.
Now, where's the FIA championship? We have no list of teams, we have every TV broadcaster in the world studying their contracts with Bernie, we have tracks all over the world saying they are willing to host the FOTA series.
Split? To have a split you need to have TWO series. And I'm only seeing one in the making.
Max Mosley clearly trusted FOTA would split under the enormous pressure he put them to. (short deadline/ Apply or you're out/legal actions ... ). And he had no "backup" plan.
Now, where's the FIA championship? We have no list of teams, we have every TV broadcaster in the world studying their contracts with Bernie, we have tracks all over the world saying they are willing to host the FOTA series.
Split? To have a split you need to have TWO series. And I'm only seeing one in the making.
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That was delayed owing to the WMSC hearing on Wednesday where it will be decided whether Ferrari, Red Bull and Toro Rosso are under contract to compete. You can understand the delay, given that the FIA can't rightly allow three teams onto the grid and then revoke their rights to compete if the WMSC rules in their favour.
Really? Haven't heard a word of it. The closest I've heard to that was a provisional calendar a Slovakian (or Slovenian; I'm not sure which) journalist supposedly uncovered. The problem was that it had eighteen rounds, complete with dates just two days after the split had been annouced and FOTA have said they're not discussing anything until after the WMSC hearing.
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No I mean - Why couldn't Silverstone host both FIA F1 and FOTA F1? The FIA can't have a contract stating a rival series cannot race there can they? I would have thought that would fall under a monopoly, which isn't meant to happen.
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I'd have thought that any contracts that the FIA/FOM have with circuits or their race promoters, would have an exclusivity clause in them to discourage rival GP series starting up and running on the same circuits. I'm unaware of any law which would make that illegal.
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Ok, the FIA championship list has 5 teams now, 2 of them current F1 teams. It doesn't matter that Ferrari, STR and Red Bull are there, they aren't going to race in that championship anyway (without an agreement that gets FOTA Teams "back in", obviously).
They may have 5 more teams to put in that list (I'm not sure how many they are, after Lola and N.Technology withdrawed their entries).
I don't think such a championship will happen, unless Bernie reduces by 90% the feses he is asking. And if he reduces them, CVC goes bankrupt.
Doing a quick search I found two venues:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090621193708.shtml - Surfers Paradise
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090620174654.shtml - Abu Dhabi
I also read somewhere, but can't find it, that Lausitzring has shown interest to host a german GP.
Monaco seems also a very likely venue for a FOTA round, considering what Prince Albert said a few weeks ago.
And then you have all the - many - tracks abbandoned by MM/BE's Formula One. I don't need to list them, you know what tracks I'm talking about. We still have no word from them, but I think it's only reasonable to assume FOTA won't have trouble to make a deal with them.
As for Bernie, what I guess is happening now is that everyone, from track owners/GP promoters, to sponsors, to broadcasters ... are studying their contracts with him.
About TV broadcasters, I got this:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090620123013.shtml
So, you have basically two options:
1 - FOTA and FIA reach an agreement, and there will be one series (very probable if Max Mosley leaves), but anyway BE is in trouble, because of the FOTA promises regarding the fans and the venues.
2 - FOTA indeed sets up a championship without the FIA and FOM. And the FIA and FOM won't be able to set their own without CVC going bankrupt.
So, we won't have a split.
PS - I have been mistaken in the past, I can be mistaken now. But this is what I think based on what I know and what I read.
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Most anti-trust laws (which are common the world over) would cover this kind of action.
They forbid companies from stating that we will only do business with you if you don't do business with our competitors.
As an example Coke couldn't go to the supermarkets in the UK and say 'we will only supply you if you don't stock Pepsi'.
Even with that as an aside, plenty of circuits around the world exist that would be suitable and more than willing to thumb Max and Bernie in the eyes given half a chance. Indianapolis and Spa both spring to mind (and Silverstone before the 'honest we do love you' rubbish of the weekend), and plenty more spring to mind.
In all honesty the only country that could suffer a bit with this is the UK, given that outside of Silverstone (Donnington is not even close to ready and will struggle for 2010) we are a little short of suitable tracks. Oh hold on, I know, FOTA should use the old Birmingham street circuit, now that would be cool.
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I think that's one of the biggest things FOTA has going for it - the ability (even if that's kind of forced upon them) to run at some of the worlds best circuits - rather than the mostly dull and faceless new circuits that are beginning to take over in F1. On the other hand, with circuits clambering over one another to host Grand Prix's, are any of them going to want to alienate themselves from the FiA by throwing their hats in the FOTA ring before a rival series is a done deal?
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