FOTA announces breakaway series !!!

[kikie]

And thusly, nothing changes.

Except for the 3 new entries (teams).

 

[Hun200kmh]

And 2009 regs, and no cost cap, and no two tier series, and Max Mosley out. This is a retumbant victory for FOTA, all I fear is that, up until 2012, we will still have a "Bernie" kind of championship, further and further away from fans. We will see.

...

Meanwhile, I know this is not the forum to discuss it, but while reading the full WMSC press releas I couldn't help myself from joy by reading the WRC news for 2011.

I will discuss them in the "rally" forum, I just wanted to point out here that there are news, and that they are BIG.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wmsc/2009/Pages/wmsc_240609.aspx

 

[Ardius]

Haha, all that commotion to achieve.......?

Well, instead of getting a massive change next year (FIA proposals), we don't get a change - which is what FOTA wanted.

 

[Vaxen]

This whole episode was essentially hardball politics/negotiating, exposed.

It ain't pretty, but it gets the job done.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Meh...I'm so disappointed. I was hoping FOTA would fix F1 for a good while. Instead we'll probably be hearing about some crappy medals system in 2011.

But I do like how Mosley's negotiations backfired on him.

 

[ultrataco]

Except for the 3 new entries (teams).

...and no refuelling, no tire warmers, and whatever else they decided before April 29.

It sounds to me like there will be some sort of cost cap in 2012, but it will apply to all teams, to avoid a two tier mess.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

haha, all that commotion to achieve.......?

 

[SR-71_Blackbird]

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This shows the teams meant business. Heres to a decent 2010!

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Mosley: "Alright, we'll call it a draw"



http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090624165900.shtml



I can't help but think of the Holy Grail when I read that article....in fact, watching the Black Knight scene on Youtube, it's uncannily hilarious how much it parallels to the whole F1 fight

 

[yeti]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/6/9551.html

Interesting list of teams...

So - it looks like Toro Rosso, Red Bull & Brawn haven't secured engines for next year...

Toro Rosso are Ferrari this year.
Red Bull are Renault this year.
Are Ferrari and Renault dropping Customer engines?

Brawn are Mercedes this year.
Are Mercedes not being allowed to supply a 3rd team next year? (They are already supplying McLaren and Force India)

C.

 

[Metar]

So - it looks like Toro Rosso, Red Bull & Brawn haven't secured engines for next year...

Don't worry - they're just potentially-rejigging it. The RBR will keep either the Ferrari or the Renault mill, Brawn might go for a Cosworth, and the sold STR (if they're still selling - by now, that's not a certainty) will get either the other Ferrari/Renault mill, or a Cosworth as well.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Brawn are Mercedes this year.
Are Mercedes not being allowed to supply a 3rd team next year? (They are already supplying McLaren and Force India)

I believe Mercedes-Benz got special provisions to supply Brawn because they were a new team and in need of an engine; Ross Brawn said Mercedes and Ferrari instantly offered them engines as soon as they were formally created. But if Mercedes has to stop supplying one of their teams, who do you think they'll drop? Force India or Brawn?

 

[yeti]

I believe Mercedes-Benz got special provisions to supply Brawn because they were a new team and in need of an engine; Ross Brawn said Mercedes and Ferrari instantly offered them engines as soon as they were formally created. But if Mercedes has to stop supplying one of their teams, who do you think they'll drop? Force India or Brawn?

Depends on how long the Force India contract is... I suspect the Brawn contract is 1 year long - and the FI contract is a lot longer.

C.

 

[yeti]

Don't worry - they're just potentially-rejigging it. The RBR will keep either the Ferrari or the Renault mill, Brawn might go for a Cosworth, and the sold STR (if they're still selling - by now, that's not a certainty) will get either the other Ferrari/Renault mill, or a Cosworth as well.

The Renault engine looks like it's pretty handy at the moment - it seemed a lot stronger than the Merc engine (vs Lewis) at Silverstone.

C.

 

[Soundtrack]

Somewhere, Ross Brawn insisted he had a 5 million € engine deal for next year. Maybe he needs to iron that out with Mercedes?

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Mercedes have long committed to supplying multiple teams, so I would think that once Brawn finalise their funding for 2010 then the Merc deal will become clear. Alternatively, since the Cosworth lump has no rev limit, Brawn could be looking to jump ship.

 

[Silvadeus]

The FIA confirmed with an official statement that all ten current teams, plus the three new ones, are unconditionally entered to contest the F1 World Championship in 2010.

- from http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090624165900.shtml

I'm new to F1 (just started watching it this season with Bahrain gp), but wouldn't thirteen teams equal 26 cars on the track, I thought the limit was 21 or 22. What would happen to the other cars?

 

[Cap'n Jack]

- from http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090624165900.shtml

I'm new to F1 (just started watching it this season with Bahrain gp), but wouldn't thirteen teams equal 26 cars on the track, I thought the limit was 21 or 22. What would happen to the other cars?

The limit has been raised to 26 cars.

 

[Ardius]

The limit has been raised to 26 cars.

It was always 26 cars (in recent times), its just the FIA could never find decent entries to fill in the remaining 2/3 places, hence why they decided that budget caps and general cost reductions would be a good idea, with the threat of more teams potentially leaving like HondaF1 almost did.

 

[Metar]

Mercedes have long committed to supplying multiple teams, so I would think that once Brawn finalise their funding for 2010 then the Merc deal will become clear. Alternatively, since the Cosworth lump has no rev limit, Brawn could be looking to jump ship.

Removal of the rev-limit on the Cosworth lump isn't so certain - FOTA argued against it, and it was an FIA idea suggested after April the 29th, so we still don't know if that one's still on schedule.

 

[Soundtrack]

Indeed. It looks like a lot of “details” still need to be settled. I’m worrying for the new entrants, actually: at the very end of the video interview posted here, LdM suggest some teams could run a third car!

 

[mipuumal]

I wouldn't mind having the 20k rpm limit for new teams using Cosworth, I miss the kabooms.

 

[SR-71_Blackbird]

I wouldn't mind having the 20k rpm limit for new teams using Cosworth, I miss the kabooms.

Just watch kubica. Hes had 3 this year.

 

[Metar]

Actually, these new teams might be bringing back the old unreliability. I, for one, welcome it: These days, unlike in the past, having a consistent, solid car isn't enough - even the fastest cars are very, very reliable. Except the MP4/20, all championship-winning cars were faster than the competition (or equal-on-average - 2006-2008). Having cars occasionally fail slightly more spectacularly than the Force India's hydraulics-woes, and slightly more at the front, would be an enjoyable sight again - these long-life rules and modern build-qualities means the carbon-fibre bits are almost overbuilt for their purpose.

 

[CAMikaze]

I wonder if the three Cosworth teams(Campos Meta Team, Manor Grand Prix and USF1/USGPE) will get together with Cosworth in making a 2010-spec engine. Just a thought...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Refuelling ban seems to be going ahead; apparently transporting the necessary equipment is very expensive and the teams see it as a way of cutting costs.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Good. I assume this will mean a return of max speed low fuel Q3 qualifying since there won't be any need of running with a race fuel load.

 

[waggles]

Refuelling ban seems to be going ahead; apparently transporting the necessary equipment is very expensive and the teams see it as a way of cutting costs.

Why wouldn't they just have 13 at each track?

 

[yeti]

Why wouldn't they just have 13 at each track?

They have 2 for each pit box at least for a start...

C.

 

[peterjford]

They have 2 for each pit box at least for a start...

C.

And I bet those rigs are really expensive. So you have 17 races X 26 cars = 442 rigs. So even if that was less expensive than transporting 26 to each race (plus a spare or 2?) it still would be really expensive. And I don't think any other series uses the same fuel rigs so they would just be taking up space the rest of the year.