FOTA announces breakaway series !!!

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If you want peace, prepare for war: Ecclestone has been asked to broker a peace deal. Sounds like asking the Mossad to oversee the Iranian elections, but whatever works:
Ecclestone urged to broker peace deal

By Jonathan - Noble Friday, June 19th 2009, 10:01 GMT

Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has been urged to step forward and broker a peace deal between teams and the FIA to head off the threat of a breakaway championship.

The eight members of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) sent shockwaves through F1 on Thursday night when they announced that they were setting up a rival championship for next year.

With fears that the breakaway could prove damaging, just as American racing suffered when Champ Car and the Indy Racing League split, former world champion Jackie Stewart believes that Ecclestone must play a part in sorting the situation out.

"The biggest player now that may have to be involved in this is Bernie, because after all he has the commercial rights," said Stewart.

"I am sure he does not want a breakaway group, because then that would seriously threaten [F1 owners] CVC and the Bernie Ecclestone package.

"Bernie knows how to do things, he has been very successful in F1 and the sport has been successful with much of what he has done. So he will be playing a fairly big role within the next two or three days.

"But frankly now the teams have made their decision and I don't think they will necessarily have to talk to the FIA at all this weekend. I think they should just get on with the British GP because it is one of the biggest events in the calendar.

"It is very important for the leaders of the world championship to consolidate their position and I believe they should not even bother to talk until Monday or Tuesday."

Ecclestone's role in events is being seen as crucial now, with sources close to FOTA suggesting that the body would not be averse to him playing a role in its new championship.

The man himself was keeping tight-lipped about the situation on Friday morning, however, ducking questions from the media about the situation.

"You'll have to ask Max about it," said Ecclestone about the breakaway plans. "For me, this situation is just back to the future."

Stewart believes that teams' frustrations at the way F1 has been run was the spur for making the bold step to set up their own series.

"I think it's been coming for some time," said Stewart, who has been a long-term critic of the FIA. "I think the teams feel that they have been bullied in some way for quite a long time, trying to force things through.

"I've said for a long time that the FIA needs to be restructured and there needs to be more corporate governance. If that had taken place we would not be in the position we're in at the present time.

"The constant change of the values of what has been suggested, with Max saying first of all £30 million [for a budget cap], then £40 million, then £40 million and we won't put engines or motorhomes in that, it is constantly changing the goalposts. I don't think you can do that in a sport that is the largest capital investment sport in the world."

There are now suggestions that the only way a breakaway can be averted is if FIA president Max Mosley sees through with his plans to step down from his current role when his term ends in October.

An announcement on his intentions could be made as early as next week, with the World Motor Sport Council meeting on Wednesday.

Stewart has no doubts that teams want Mosley's reign of running the sport to come to an end.

"I think they do want Max to go because I think frankly some of the decisions made over the year have been very questionable... I think a lot of people are kind of fed up with the dictatorial attitude."

He added: "I think right now the teams don't have to do anything. They just have to decide how they are going to do what they have said they are going to do, but I think from their point of view it seems that they have made that decision. I think it is now up to the FIA to perhaps come with a totally different proposal."
Meanwhile, Force India are taking a wait-and-see approach:
Force India waiting on F1 future

By Pablo Elizalde Friday, June 19th 2009, 11:07 GMT

Force India boss Vijay Mallya has suggested his team is undecided on its future in Formula 1 following FOTA's decision to create a breakaway championship.

Force India and Williams have been the only two current teams who submitted unconditional entries for the 2010 championship.

However, FOTA announced on Thursday night that, after failing to reach a deal with the FIA, will launch its own series with its eight member squads.

Mallya said he was sad that it was not possible to reach a compromise deal, and suggested his team will consider its options following this weekend's events.

"We have been completely open and transparent with FOTA," said Mallya in a statement.

"We have shared the legal and commercial obligations that necessitated an unconditional entry by Force India to the FIA Formula One World Championship 2010. I think the transparency with which we acted was appreciated by FOTA but they chose to suspend us, like Williams.

"We were always hoping there would be compromise between FOTA and the FIA but at midnight last night I was notified by FOTA about their decision, which already seems to be heading towards a breakaway championship or series.

"We find this to be very sad and disappointing, particularly since the FIA World Championship and the Formula One brand has been developed into an invaluable property over many decades.

"As of now, Force India is a confirmed entrant to the FIA 2010 Formula One World Championship and we wait to see the developments over the weekend. Until a clear direction has been identified, we do not wish to make any further comments."
Who wants to bet that if FOTA really do go ahead, Sir Frank and Mallya will disband their teams and re-form them under new names with FOTA?
 
This isn´t just good news it´s great, seems they might even get their hands on the a1gp series which would likely give them a good network of courses to race at to start with i stopped watching f1 a year or 2 ago as it´s just been getting worse imo
 
If you want peace, prepare for war: Ecclestone has been asked to broker a peace deal. Sounds like asking the Mossad to oversee the Iranian elections, but whatever works:Meanwhile, Force India are taking a wait-and-see approach:
Who wants to bet that if FOTA really do go ahead, Sir Frank and Mallya will disband their teams and re-form them under new names with FOTA?

Maybe Mallya, but Williams I think would rather be big fish in a small pond, and carry the torch to the future F1.
 
That statment just goes to show how out of touch f1 leadership has become over the years, truly pathetic imo, in all this FOTA is the ones that have come with the most sensible ideas to solving the issues, whatever is done the hold bernie and mosley have needs to be broken once and for all!
 
Finally, I think it's a good thing imo.

Polyphony, get on that thing and get the rival license please? So we can have them in GT5 :embarrassed:
Or PD gives them info on the FGT and the cars are based off that. [/dreaming] I agree, it's the best outcome.
 
What's to stop the FIA from telling all the circuit owners that there will be no more FIA endorsed events at any circuit that hosts a race from the rival series?

If they included National FIA organisations, that would effectively stub this breakaway out before it ever got a chance to actually race on anything other than a track owned by one of the teams.

Great idea, except it raises legal issues of antitrust concerns. Essentially many countries have laws (I believe the EU has them as well), which forbids one company from telling someone that they cannot deal with that company's competitor.
 
Great idea, except it raises legal issues of antitrust concerns. Essentially many countries have laws (I believe the EU has them as well), which forbids one company from telling someone that they cannot deal with that company's competitor.
Spot on lad !..
 
Great idea, except it raises legal issues of antitrust concerns. Essentially many countries have laws (I believe the EU has them as well), which forbids one company from telling someone that they cannot deal with that company's competitor.

Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

Edit.

Breaking news at 1540. The FIA is to issue legal proceedings without delay against the Formula One Teams Association following their threat to begin a breakaway series.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8108629.stm
 
After taking a somewhat stoic line this moning, the sex fiend is having none of it:
FIA to launch legal action against FOTA

By Pablo Elizalde - Friday, June 19th 2009, 14:44 GMT

Motorsport's ruling body, the FIA, has announced it will be launching legal action against the Formula 1 teams trying to set up a breakaway championship.

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) announced on Thursday night that, after failing to reach an agreement with the FIA, will start its own series next year.

But the governing body has responded to FOTA with a legal threat, saying the teams, and Ferrari in particular, have binding commitments that they cannot break.

The FIA also said that it will delay the publication of the 2010 entry list, expected tomorrow.

"The FIA's lawyers have now examined the FOTA threat to begin a breakaway series," said the FIA in a statement.

"The actions of FOTA as a whole, and Ferrari in particular, amount to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law.

"The FIA will be issuing legal proceedings without delay.

"Preparations for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship continue but publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights."
There ain't no easy way to say this, so I'll just let Lenny sing it.
 
He might take legal action, but if there's a chance to save the stuation he might jump in and do something because he has a lot to lose if this happens.

But sue who?

The TV broadcasters, who probably have clauses regarding a massive defection of the teams?

Against the teams, who aren't bound by the Concorde agreement?

Against the tracks, who don't have the money to pay him anyway?

Maybe Mallya, but Williams I think would rather be big fish in a small pond, and carry the torch to the future F1.

Indeed, I fear this is what Williams will do. Perhaps Nico's first win and championship will finally arrive that way - the only professional, experienced team in a sea of nobodies (even FIF1 aren't exactly on Williams' level). :indiff:

Great idea, except it raises legal issues of antitrust concerns. Essentially many countries have laws (I believe the EU has them as well), which forbids one company from telling someone that they cannot deal with that company's competitor.

Indeed, they cannot forbid it officially - but they can cancel events regardless. However, we've already shown there are at least 15 immediately-possible venues for a race that currently don't host F1 rounds, but are F1-safe.
 
But sue who?

The TV broadcasters, who probably have clauses regarding a massive defection of the teams?

Against the teams, who aren't bound by the Concorde agreement?

Against the tracks, who don't have the money to pay him anyway?
I'm not talking about suing anyone. Bernie may see the future of Formula One as being with FOTA, and so align with them. He throws his support to FOTA, all the current circuits and broadcasters go with him, leaving the FIA with noting.
 
It's a tactic that allows the FIA to extend the time you have to confirm entry. This is a long way from over yet.
 
The FIA has no chance in court to avoid a "rogue" series. The best they can possibly hope is to get a few million bucks from the FOTA teams. This is a last, desperate attempt from Max Mosley to hold on to power. He knows he is doomed as soon as a list is published without McLaren, Sauber-BMW, BrawnGP, Toyota and Renault.

He was bullyish until the end, menacing these five teams of exclusion. Now, facing the list that was consequential to his menaces, he realized he can't publish it, it's no more than a joke-list.

And with this he realized that the FIA simply doesn't have a F1 championship to organize now.

To have it, he needs the FOTA teams on that list, not the other way around, and he finally realized it.

Dead end for him and his course of action so far? No, he decided to take'em all to court .... draggging this thing until a deal is settled. A deal that will save him.

I think he's beyond salvation now.
 
I really, really, wholeheartedly hope that the FIA legal actions has very little real substance to it. I hope Ferrari and Red Bull are right in their own claims that the FIA broke that mentioned "conractual relation" first, when they failed to acknowledge Ferraris veto. Apparently Red Bull has some similar arrangement aswell, according to Horner.
 
I'm not talking about suing anyone. Bernie may see the future of Formula One as being with FOTA, and so align with them. He throws his support to FOTA, all the current circuits and broadcasters go with him, leaving the FIA with noting.

Except the F1 name (at least i believe) and the power to grant and withdraw licenses for circuits to hold international motor races.
 
Except the F1 name (at least i believe) and the power to grant and withdraw licenses for circuits to hold international motor races.
All in due time. If Ecclestone throws his weight behind FOTA, how long to you think the FIA are going to hold out against them? Max Mosley might stand strong, but the rest of the politburo will be ready to overthrow him.
 
All in due time. If Ecclestone throws his weight behind FOTA, how long to you think the FIA are going to hold out against them? Max Mosley might stand strong, but the rest of the politburo will be ready to overthrow him.

Bernie does seem to be the key in this situation and i think it's quite telling that he hasn't already thrown his support behind FOTA. As much as he doesn't trust the FIA, he probably trusts FOTA even less. It was only 4 or so years ago that he fought against them over another planned breakaway series because they didn't think he shared enough of the revenue pie.
 
Except the F1 name (at least i believe) and the power to grant and withdraw licenses for circuits to hold international motor races.

TheCracker, does the "track licensing" from the FIA work outside the FIA competitions? Meaning, if FOTA wants to race at Imola, and the FIA withdraws Imola's license, does this mean the Republica of San Marino is going to forbid the event? Or Magny-Cours, Indianapolis, Estoril, Silverstone, Monza, Hockenheim, Montreal, etc.

Or is it just a case that if these tracks host a FOTA-F1 race they will not be able to host any other FIA series?
 
The FOTA teams will not allow Bernie to follow them, part of the reasoning behind the breakaway series is that they don't get enough of the revenues why would they want Bernie to join them again? wouldn't make sense at all.
 
TheCracker, does the "track licensing" from the FIA work outside the FIA competitions? Meaning, if FOTA wants to race at Imola, and the FIA withdraws Imola's license, does this mean the Republica of San Marino is going to forbid the event? Or Magny-Cours, Indianapolis, Estoril, Silverstone, Monza, Hockenheim, Montreal, etc.

Or is it just a case that if these tracks host a FOTA-F1 race they will not be able to host any other FIA series?

As far as I am aware the removal of an FIA track licence would simply stop the track hosting FIA events.

It would not stop them hosting events that are regulated under different organisations, such as LMS (which is organised by ACO and nothing at all to do with the FIA).

Given the way a few tracks have been treated in the past by the whole F1 circus (Silverstone, Indianopolis and Spa spring to mind), it would not surprise me if a few circuit owners had a nice smile around about now (particularly as a quick look at all of those tracks shows only this weekends race as the only FIA event).


Regards

Scaff
 



There you go...





I guess I can dig a hole for my hopes for Toyota to make a return to Le Mans now?
 
Yeah ... same with me at the dream of a "big red LMP1" closed top ...


PS - I don't mean a Toyota (they were mostly red also :lol: )


EDIT:


Friday's Press Conference, featuring:
- Martin Witmarsh (McLaren)
- Christian Horner (Red Bull)
- Ross Brawn (BrawnGP)
- Adam Parr (Williams)

Very long, but very, very interesting.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76346
 
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I come back home from school and this happens? Thank you Bernie and Max, you are the worst things to happen to F1 since Yuji Ide.
 
I come back home from school and this happens? Thank you Bernie and Max, you are the worst things to happen to F1 since Yuji Ide.

Since 2006? Not bad. :lol: I thought they did worse than that.

And what did poor Yuji do wrong? He provided plenty of entertainment! Always good to have a few clown drivers around :P
I'm not so sure he ruined F1's image in any way either.
 
The FOTA teams will not allow Bernie to follow them, part of the reasoning behind the breakaway series is that they don't get enough of the revenues why would they want Bernie to join them again? wouldn't make sense at all.
They may need to compomise.If they can't have better governance and a bigger slice of the cmmercial pie, they may settle for simply having better governance.
 
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