Four Hours: The Nürburgring 4Hr Companion & Competition

[faqoldschool]

no one here is going to run an X1 so we couldnt tell you the lap times you'll set

you need 27-28 laps completed. how long will it take an X1 to do that many? test and pull out that calculator, it should give you your answer. also, you will still need to come back and roll across the finish line to end the race.

 

[anastasis14]

no one here is going to run an X1 so we couldnt tell you the lap times you'll set

you need 27-28 laps completed. how long will it take an X1 to do that many? test and pull out that calculator, it should give you your answer. also, you will still need to come back and roll across the finish line to end the race.

That's not my question, i'm asking something more complicated. (gtsail answered already)
I've already done it this way twice and it took me 2:30 to 2:35

 

[faqoldschool]

you would have to assume that your race will still be running at 5:30...and then all you need to do is cross the finish line...all other cars will have stopped around 4:00...if you have more laps than them, then you win...you could always use the mid race save feature now too

 

[Famine]

A question: I'm doing Nurb 4hr enduro, with the X1 (i know its a shame).
I plan to stop at about 2:35 hour.Then i have to go for 3 hours out of my house. Can i complete the race at 5:30 hours for example and finish 1st??? 30 laps will be completed by me by then.

No-one can really answer. We simply don't pay attention to AI behaviour and PD's endurance race positioning programming an hour and a half after the race time ended...

The lead, non-rabbit AI pull 6.5 laps per hour (26 laps completed in 4 hours). They than have an hour and a half of just pootling round the track, probably at no more than a 70mph average. They can probably do 4 laps an hour at this pace, which is another 6 laps in the 90 minutes you plan to leave them. So they can probably make up the appropriate number of laps and exceed it in that time. Can they unlap themselves after they have been classified? No-one knows.

 

[HaylRayzor]

No-one can really answer. We simply don't pay attention to AI behaviour and PD's endurance race positioning programming an hour and a half after the race time ended...

Can they unlap themselves after they have been classified? No-one knows.

Actually... When I was doing a test I parked my car after almost 1 lap and went to bed. The next morning I crossed the finish line to complete the race. (I wanted to see which of the 2 rabbits would win without me in the equation) The rundown said the rabbits completed 28 laps, and others 26 or less, even though they had continued circulating 4 hours after the clock expired.

So the count stops for every car the next time they cross the finish line after the clock expires, which is exactly how one would expect it to work.

 

[Famine]

Actually... When I was doing a test I parked my car after almost 1 lap and went to bed. The next morning I crossed the finish line to complete the race. (I wanted to see which of the 2 rabbits would win without me in the equation) The rundown said the rabbits completed 28 laps, and others 26 or less, even though they had continued circulating 4 hours after the clock expired.

Might have been worth noting how many laps down it said you were too.

So the count stops for every car the next time they cross the finish line after the clock expires, which is exactly how one would expect it to work.

Ahhh, but this is PD. What you expect is what you should least expect...

 

[HaylRayzor]

Might have been worth noting how many laps down it said you were too.

Yes it did say I was -27 laps.

 

[Famine]

Interesting...

Incidentally, also interesting is a FWD car with 419PP testing at a 9'09 lap. More interesting still, that wasn't a great lap and it runs out of power 40mph before the stock gearbox limit (145mph on Dottinger, 180mph on the box)... I think with a sport 'box we could take a few seconds off the lap simply by bringing the roadspeed back into the torque band more often...

 

[daan]

Is it brightly colored?

 

[DGiant2000]

Well thanks to S2k2k3 I now have the Opera 350z so I'm going to try running it against the rabbits and see how it compares to the Opera S2000 that Famine ran, in theory they should be very similar as I think they are only 1 or 2 pp different so I'm interested to see how it pans out. I will report back on here when I do although it may have to be done over the course of a few days

 

[Famine]

Is it brightly colored?

It's white at the moment, soon to be Matte Purple - having tested a 9'07.1

Bought from UCD, race softs, 6-speed close ratio gearbox, semi-racing suspension (dialled up to maximum spring rate, minimum ride height, 2 degreees of front camber, 1 degree of rear camber), two lightweights and a window weight and a race cat/exhaust. 208hp, 1025kg, 419PP

 

[Michel4AGE]

That first grid after a reset sure is easy..dayum. I'm half way through now, 462PP (280hp/1270kg) NSX Type R on Sport Soft and I'm 40secs ahead. Best lap so far 8:59.xxx

 

[Michel4AGE]

Honda NSX Type R '02
280hp/1270kg - 462PP
Sport soft
Power limiter on 95%
The rest of the car was stock.


Starting grid :

V. Espinova - GRAN TURISMO SKYLINE GT-R '01
N. Castro - Opera Performance 350Z '04
C. Gauthier - Gran Turismo 350Z RS
C. Hooper - Carbon R (R34) '04
M. Lebreton - Nismo 400R '96
G. Visser - BNR Skyline GT-R N1 base '06
Michel4AGE - Honda NSX Type R '02
H. Guillet - Skyline GT-R S-tune (R32) '00
T. Ware - IS-F Racing Concept '08
W. Zhang - Corvette '60
W. Maruya - FT565 twin turbo Audi TT
J. Glenn - Stage II R32

This was a walk in the park. I expected to struggle on the sport soft tyres but I was wrong, this was easy. I drove seriously until the 18th lap, after that it was a case of cruising around and do a little drift here and there until I finished first after 26 laps.

Pit strategy : I didn't had one.
Best lap : 8:55.584
Total race time : 4:00.57

 

[Famine]

*grumpy*

I can't work it out. The 444PP Focus RS did 9'09 laps, every time, in practice. Got it into the race and it bested at 9'02. Two other, lower PP FWD cars, manage 9'02 and 9'07 laps in practice and yet 9'12 and 9'14 (yesterday's car did three 9'14s back to back after a 9'20 - 2s faster than the Focus - opening lap) in the race.

*throws toys out of the pram*

 

[Chakra]

Thank you Famine and Friends for sharing all your efforts and love for this race to everyone !

Since I have been involed by your deep knowledge about "the race" I started
testing and doing it for myself months ago. First with Elise R104 with 475 PPP (to much) and other cars with low weight ratio. Hommel Berlinette 99 was a quite good choice.

Now my search is still alive....💡

Although loving Matte Purple I cannot withstand a small lovely green cornering car from 1996 with 439 PPP. I am sure that car is a winner driven by you (all), perhaps even with 418 PPP, for me it will be a desaster for my Ego, but fun for my feeling

Thank you all for your interesting and exciting contributions to this "race" 👍

 

[Famine]

462PP (280hp/1270kg) NSX Type R on Sport Soft ... 8:59.xxx

Honda NSX Type R '02
280hp/1270kg - 462PP
Sport soft

Best lap : 8:55.584

Is this some kind of troll car? I've been running some low PP sport soft practice runs with similarly potent cars - Ruf 3400S (288hp/1300kg) and Spoon S2000 (270hp/1100kg), keeping the "tuner" (according to the game) theme - but I'm nowhere near 8'5x. The Ruf, with mountains of torque, has been the best so far but not quite breaking 9'1x with sport softs.

 

[hellnback]

Famine, I do know from my Online experiences that the Honda NSX Type R '02 is ridiculously quick in some PP ranges in the the right hands compared to a wide variety of other similiar PP cars... so much so I caved in and brought one... haven't taken it for a spin yet though

 

[HaylRayzor]

Is this some kind of troll car? I've been running some low PP sport soft practice runs with similarly potent cars - Ruf 3400S (288hp/1300kg) and Spoon S2000 (270hp/1100kg), keeping the "tuner" (according to the game) theme - but I'm nowhere near 8'5x. The Ruf, with mountains of torque, has been the best so far but not quite breaking 9'1x with sport softs.

This isn't an accusation, but I do have a question. I don't remember any mention of SRF, and I have assumed nobody is using it, but since it isn't prohibited, perhaps some are using it?

I have made test runs with the 3400S also on sport soft at 480PP and I've seen quick times but not nearly as quick as those mentioned above.

 

[Famine]

I don't use SRF myself but there's no reason everyone else must turn it off. I suppose it would lower laptimes significantly, but we also know that GT has always had troll cars - cars which beat their stats.

My 3400S/SS best was a 9'11 at 460PP without SRF.

 

[HaylRayzor]

If anybody is using srf I feel they should say so, in the interest of full disclosure. It has a much greater effect on lap times than the power limiter "cheat".

I have tested the 3400S at 480PP and was running low 9:0x with room to improve. (I should say my lap times ALWAYS have room to improve.)

 

[GTsail]

Honda NSX Type R '02,

Is this some kind of troll car?

I would say that it is!

I am currently running the race with it on sport mediums with 485PP and I think I have a decent chance of winning. I'm down a minute and a half to the Amuse S2000 GT1 who has rabbited off (soon to be somewhat more since I just pitted), but I'm running neck-n-neck with the NISMO Fairlady Z-tune for 2nd/3rd place after 10 laps.

Laps 5 and 10 were an adventure on the sport mediums, but I'm now in the pits with the race suspended, so everything is looking good if the Amuse S2000 will give me back a chunk of time on its 6th lap the rest of the way.

GTsail

 

[Michel4AGE]

Excuse my noobness, but what's SRF ?

I'm not using any nanny helps, if that's what it is. ABS on 1, that's it.

 

[HaylRayzor]

Excuse my noobness, but what's SRF ?

I'm not using any nanny helps, if that's what it is. ABS on 1, that's it.

Skid Recovery Force. It's "magic traction". Whenever your tires start to slide, they magically gain grip.

I have no problem with ABS or TCS since those are real systems that most cars have today (even though most race cars do not). But SRF defys the laws of physics. When tires slide they LOSE grip in the real universe.

 

[Michel4AGE]

Skid Recovery Force. It's "magic traction". Whenever your tires start to slide, they magically gain grip.

I have no problem with ABS or TCS since those are real systems that most cars have today (even though most race cars do not). But SRF defys the laws of physics. When tires slide they LOSE grip in the real universe.

Ahh ok.. no I don't use that either. I've tried it sometime but didn't like the feel, it's feels very unnatural. The NSX is just fast in GT5 but it takes some practice. Especially on the sport tyres it's a case of trying to keep the steering lock as little as possible, even more so when the tires start to wear out.

 

[bonobo4]

Skid Recovery Force. It's "magic traction". Whenever your tires start to slide, they magically gain grip.

I have no problem with ABS or TCS since those are real systems that most cars have today (even though most race cars do not). But SRF defys the laws of physics. When tires slide they LOSE grip in the real universe.

What about ASM? I'm fairly convinced that's real, but not sure what cars would have it.

 

[HaylRayzor]

What about ASM? I'm fairly convinced that's real, but not sure what cars would have it.

Active Stability Management. Usually done using the ABS and TCS systems already in the car. My car has it. Most new cars do.

I don't consider it a cheat. But it always slows you down. You WILL be faster without it, once you get used to it. So using it is only cheating yourself.

Certain tests and challenges where it is locked "on" are very annoying because you can feel the car lose speed when it kicks in, which is far too often.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

It's white at the moment, soon to be Matte Purple - having tested a 9'07.1

Bought from UCD, race softs, 6-speed close ratio gearbox, semi-racing suspension (dialled up to maximum spring rate, minimum ride height, 2 degreees of front camber, 1 degree of rear camber), two lightweights and a window weight and a race cat/exhaust. 208hp, 1025kg, 419PP

Sounds like another excellent find with additional untapped potential.





I completed my next race with the Evora and managed to win on the first try.
However I had to employ some grass cutting and blocking to get the win.
A lower PP victory is doable, but not very practical at this point, so I doubt I will attempt it. Maybe save it for a rainy day.

Car used: Lotus Evora '09
282hp
1223kg
470PP
Power Limiter 96%
RS tires

Grid:
1. Stage II R32
2. S2000 GT1 '04
3. G 37
4. CTR2 '96
5. BNR 34 SKYLINE GTR V-spec N1
6. Fairlady Z Ztune (Z33) '03
7. Evora '09
8. Skyline GT-R Rtune (R34) '99
9. Nismo 380RS Super Leggera
10. 350Z '04
11. Amemiya FD35 RX-7
12. R8 LMS Race Car '09


Lap 1 - 5 And they're off..........

Same as before, I stay to the right, run and brake hard into the first corner. Making very slight contact with the Mines Skyline, I exit 5th.
After the next 3 corners I'm 3rd, behind the R32 with the S2000 GT1 in first.
I dispense with the R32 during the next 2 corners, and set off to run down the GT1, who has pulled out a little.

I catch and pass him at Hatzenbach, taking 1st place.
I take a quick look at the running order, and see the R8 is already in 6th.
Mid lap he's 5th.
Building a lead will be tougher this time.


As I start the 2nd lap the R8 is 4th.
Lap 1 is a 8:55.077
Lap 2: 8:40.380
The R8 dispenses with the GT1 to take 2nd.
Lap 3, the R8 is closing fast.
Closer and closer he draws. At T10 he is clearly visable.
As I hit T11 he's on me.
I have to get wide as I cross the start/finish line starting Lap 4.
Lap 3: 8:41.595
For most of lap 4 the R8 lurks 1 to 2 secs back, closing up between Kesselchen and mutcurve.
I open it back up between the Karussell and T10.
He closes on the long strait and I have to block a little.
Lap 4: 8:43.523
I have to employ more blocking to the first turn, Lap 5.
Having a couple boo-boos this lap, I'm not able to capitilize on the R8's worn out rear tires, but still enter the pits a few seconds ahead.
I take tires and just 15 liters of fuel, so as to have a quick pitstop.

Laps 6 - 10

I'm 50 secs ahead as the R8 re-enters the fray.
The S2000 GT1 is now in 2nd but he will be little help holding back the R8 with scorched rear tires.
The R8 slashes away at my lead and its cut to 17 secs by the end of lap 8.
Starting lap 10, Its down to less than 5 secs.
I do a little better this time on increasing the interval but its used up with taking a little extra fuel when I pit.

Laps 11 - 15

Checking the interval running lap 11, its 52 secs.
The same scenario repeats, and the R8 begins devouring the lead once again.
End lap 14 at 1.5 secs.
I reach the pits at the end of lap 15, and the interval is about the same as last time.
I cut the fuel close this time and the gauge goes red at T11.
52 liters this time to make another 5 laps.
Consequently my usual pit lead is much less.

Laps 16 - 20

I close in and lap the Amemiya FD3S RX7 on lap 16 with a 42 sec lead on the R8
Lap 17: 8:41.309
Lap 18, I lap the NISMO Skyline GTR.
The lap cars don't impede the R8 at all.
Starting lap 19, I only have 5 secs of lead.
Mid lap he's 3 car lengths back, waiting to pounce.
I have to block on the long T10 to T11 straitaway, and again at the Start/Finish straitaway.
Lap 20 is a welcome relief.
I slowly pull away from the R8 and lap the R32 VW at T8.
I screw up, touch the grass and spin at Galgenkopf
Gather it up, fall in behind the R32 and draft him down the straitaway.
Into the pits for 50 liters and tires.

Laps 21 - 28

I have 2 lapcars and 38 secs between me and the R8.
Lap 22, I lap the Mine's Skyline at Wehrseifen.
The lap cars do nothing to slow the asphalt eating R8 monster.
Start lap 23 with a mere 5 sec lead.
This is the most difficult lap yet.
He's all over me from T7 on.
I run as hard as I can, and block on the straitaways again.
Fortunately I don't make any big mistakes and stay in the lead.
Lap 23: 8:44.377
Lap 24 is a repeat of 23 with a little more breathing room, since his worn tires are slowing him some.
I lap the RUF CTR2 and the Amuse S2000 GT1.
Lap 25 is another welcome relief.
I add the Nismo Fairlady Z to the lapped list.
I make it to the pits once again. Tires and just enough fuel for 3 laps.
Leave the pits and start off on the home stretch.
All is going well on lap 26, with a 54 sec lead.
Oh no, I spin the car out at Mutkurve.
The spin was costly, lap 26: 9:34.124 instead of just over 9 minutes to 9:15
Only 22 secs of lead left.
I have a good lap on 27 and hit the Start finish line......
What? Finish? Oh man I'm so used to running 28 laps I forgot to check the time left. The race is over. 4:00:02.333
And a new fast lap on the last lap of 8:38.870.

I can see the R8 is in the middle of the S at Hohenrain.
About 8 to 10 secs back.

All in all, the Evora has pretty impressive performance in this race, for a non-prototype, non-tuner, production car.
Maybe I should add, non-Japanese car too.

 

[W3H5]

The therapy race.

Feeling a bit down I decided to do what I call meditation; lap after lap of repetitive driving. GT4 got me through a year of depression doing the same thing so this is not so much a race report as it is a report of my drive around the 'Ring.

Car: Nissan Silvia Custom Stealth (RM with Matte Black paint)
HP: <440
PP: >530
Weight: Pretty light
Mods: Stage 3 turbo
Tyres: RS
Interior view, no HUD, MT.

Not much of a race as the GT1 Turbo and the R8 LMS were a no show.
The car is not 'powerful' so to speak but it sure is fast. A slight amount of under steer makes it a pleasure to drive. Complete overkill for this race but I'd rather not be pestered by competition.

Currently at the pits on lap 7. Hadn't felt more than a smidgen of traction loss after all that track time but felt it necessary to pit for a cigarette.

The AI are around 4 minutes behind but like I said, I'm not in it for the race, this a drive.

Since lap 1 I've almost been entranced, not really paying attention to the track or rev counter. My thumbs seem to take control by themselves and push the car effortlessly around each bend making the apex perfectly.

The lack of competition makes it easy to get lost. I lost count of laps, AI, gear changes, the track. My mind just went on auto pilot for the whole first hour. The only sound audible is the burble of the engine and the whine of the turbo. It's incredibly hypnotic.

Lap 1 saw a 8.44 due to the traffic encountered getting to the front of the pack. 2-5 saw 3 laps with identical 8.31.*** lap times. On lap 6 I started to sandbag a bit, no idea why because the tyres were still in perfect condition traction wise. I think it may have been the small conscious part of my brain knowing that most car's tyres start to go off at this point.

Anyway, I snapped out of it to enter the pits and suspended the race.

Stint 2

After a busy day travelling halfway across the city to see a doctor I wasn't in the calmest of moods. Next stage of the experiment continues.

I drove for one set of tyres but this time managed only 6 laps due to being in a tense atmosphere. I wasn't at home alone so had no chance to zone out with the wife sitting on her computer next to me.

I was pushing hard around the track, riding every curb and once or twice getting the rear out of shape hitting the rev limiter out of the slower corners.

I passed the 400R who kindly moved out of my way on the kurassel and made a new fastest time of 8.28.***

Stint 3

Done today while doped up on pills, I'm relaxed but not able to get entranced like I did on stint 1. My thumbs are doing all the work while my brain is only half engaged but enough to equal varying lap times around half a second apart, the fastest being an 8.26.*** on a clean lap.

I had a few misadventures into the gravel on the in lap before suspending the race to write this. The tyres made 6 laps again but this time because I was driving harder but more confidently on this third stint.

 

[Zathra5_]

Anyone know how many experience points you get for coming in 2nd and lower? I have 2.4million XP to go until level 40 and my first platinum trophy. I want to set up a challenging race for the nurburgring 4h but also would like to get the final points that I need.

edit: I have the 200% bonus

 

[GTsail]

Anyone know how many experience points you get for coming in 2nd and lower? I have 2.4million XP to go until level 40 and my first platinum trophy. I want to set up a challenging race for the nurburgring 4h but also would like to get the final points that I need....

I don't know the answer to your question, but this is something that should be possible to estimate.

Run another A-spec race that has 12 cars in it, and come in 1st, 4th and 8th, and see what percentage drop-off you get for the XP points.

Apply this percentage drop-off to the 4 Hour 'Ring race XP points. I imagine that PD uses a fairly standard formula for this.

GTsail