Four Hours: The Nürburgring 4Hr Companion & Competition

  • Thread starter Famine
  • 989 comments
  • 138,029 views
Puh, did my first endurance race and saved it now after 1 hours and 20 minutes. The 4 hours Nürburgring. What an great experience!!

I took the stock Ferrari F40 and put on some racing hard tires on. The first 4 laps I only was thinking !WTF WTF how fast is the AI?? I had 4 laps where I had a constant distance of 5 to 7 seconds to the leader. The #1 car was the tuned orange Audi TT (dont know the exakt name).

After pitting, things changed. I went to the pit 1 lap earlier as the AI. Unfortunately I did a big mistake. After pitting, I did 4 laps and thought the tires will do it for one more lap. Then, ~3 km to finish the lap, I lost immediately grip and lost 3 minutes till I reached the pit. So now the leader has an average of 3 minutes. I dont think I can get him anymore but it was a really great experience!

My average lap times were around ~8:55,xxx
 
FT565 twin turbo Audi TT. That's the car you mean. And keep going, 3 minutes can be clawed back with good driving.
 
FT565 twin turbo Audi TT. That's the car you mean. And keep going, 3 minutes can be clawed back with good driving.

Yeah, sadly after 10 laps I'm back on #1... Why sadly? The rubber band effect helps too much... Ok now I have to pit and the #2 car is 5 seconds behind so I think I will be 40 seconds behind #1 after my pit stop...

Anyway, best experience I ever had in GT :)

EDIT: So I won with an average of ~1 minutes 30 seconds. The car behind me was 7 seconds behind me till the last lap, then he went into the pit. If he would drive further, maybe I would get some problems because my tyres were pretty down.

Good experience but the price money was a huge disapointment. ~500.000 credits for 4 hours of racing lol...
 
Last edited:
So I've just gave a test run in a Skyline GT-R R34 (Premium one) with the RKM setup. Was able to get a 8:51.xxx, so I'm gonna run against the S2K and the R8. BRING IT ON !
 
I wounder how the classic American cars would fair in this race. I'm half way tempted to try my Charger 440 R/T and see what kind of insanity would come of that... :)
 
I wounder how the classic American cars would fair in this race. I'm half way tempted to try my Charger 440 R/T and see what kind of insanity would come of that... :)

... you'd run out of fuel half way round I presume. ;)
 
So I've just gave a test run in a Skyline GT-R R34 (Premium one) with the RKM setup. Was able to get a 8:51.xxx, so I'm gonna run against the S2K and the R8. BRING IT ON !

Will you run against the S2000 GT-1 Turbo? Those sort of times should put you in a good race with both the rabbits.

What PP are you running? How is tyre wear?
 
Will you run against the S2000 GT-1 Turbo? Those sort of times should put you in a good race with both the rabbits.

What PP are you running? How is tyre wear?
#

If it´s the "R34 Black Edition" , he´s running around 550 PP.

If someone wants to run a 450 PP car , then try this:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6265134#post6265134

with RM or RS tyres.


In a practice run (real grip , fuel/tyre wear on) , I did a 9:00 on RM´s.



raVer
 
... you'd run out of fuel half way round I presume. ;)

For sure. lol. Just for grins I took it around the track once in practice mode. Boy is the Charger 440 not made for Nurburgring at all! lol. I spun out 3 times, and ran into every wall there was but still made it to the finish line in under the recommended time. I suspect if I tuned it out right it may work but the suspension would need some serious working on.

I may attempt it with the Camero Z28 RM and see if that works any better, or if I get lucky enough to find a Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi '71 in the used car lots I can tune it for Nurburgring and see how that works out. :)
 
Will you run against the S2000 GT-1 Turbo? Those sort of times should put you in a good race with both the rabbits.

What PP are you running? How is tyre wear?

Tyre wear was good in the 1st lap. Then disaster happened. Atleast I hold them both for a whole lap.
 
... if I get lucky enough to find a Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi '71 in the used car lots I can tune it for Nurburgring and see how that works out. :)

I'm sure I've got one of those in my garage, send me a friend request with a note on why and I'll send it to you if you like. 👍
 
#

If it´s the "R34 Black Edition" , he´s running around 550 PP.

If someone wants to run a 450 PP car , then try this:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6265134#post6265134

with RM or RS tyres.


In a practice run (real grip , fuel/tyre wear on) , I did a 9:00 on RM´s.



raVer

This is an unbelievable good setting ! Thank you RaVer for working this out :cheers:
Now I´am "flying" with my little Elise around Nürburgring and laptimes are getting much better with your settings :)

My Elise has 430 PP and RS : With your settings: 5-8 sec less in one lap !
9:03 for the first time...
And...there is much room for improvement...(My little Elise is now extremely good, the only disadvantage is the driver himself)
But with these settings there is more to come.....
1. After 10 laps I am first (never before)...race goes on...
2. A dream wants to be come true : 4 h N.. manage 1 first with PP 420:crazy:
3. Then with support from ALL PP 400:):):)
4. A special edition with Famine, Ramon, Rudi, Daan, DHolland and all (beside me) interestet if it possible with PP under PP 400..

Thank you, Gentlemen
 
Well, the R34 was failure, so I've bought a R33, used this tune : https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5212751#post5212751.

1st grid used, 3 lap stints (front tires don't held good lol).

Entered 1st at lap 9 with the HPA TT and the Nismo Z right after, in 4th the BNR34 Skyline (Standard) and the S2000 GT1 '04 in 5th. Fastest lap was a 8:53.747 at the 5th lap, and I'm suspendind it so I can take a shower and get back to reach the 2nd hour soon (currently at 1:23)
 
Have the S2k turbo or R8 turned up? 8:50's will be a walk in the park otherwise (with a 5 or 6 lap pit strategy). I ask as I'm thinking of running the 400r as I feel sorry for it always being the whipping boy in this race and an R33 is pretty similar.
 
None of them appeared, but I'm having 3 lap stins (Pitted in laps 3, 6, 9, 12, 15 and 18), currently on lap 20 with 3:00 hours complete. Fastest lap was 8.50.xxx, but the laps I enter into the pits have been consistent in the 9.14.xxx and the laps when I get out I usually make 9:35.xxx to 9.40.xxx and I only did a serious mistake, which was a spin, but no contact on the wall.
 
Race finished after 4:08 hours. My R33 beat the crap out of me, but it ws worthy for almost a million credits and over 4 millions of EXP, along with a R8 LMS.
 
This is an unbelievable good setting ! Thank you RaVer for working this out :cheers:
Now I´am "flying" with my little Elise around Nürburgring and laptimes are getting much better with your settings :)

My Elise has 430 PP and RS : With your settings: 5-8 sec less in one lap !
9:03 for the first time...
And...there is much room for improvement...(My little Elise is now extremely good, the only disadvantage is the driver himself)
But with these settings there is more to come.....
1. After 10 laps I am first (never before)...race goes on...
2. A dream wants to be come true : 4 h N.. manage 1 first with PP 420:crazy:
3. Then with support from ALL PP 400:):):)
4. A special edition with Famine, Ramon, Rudi, Daan, DHolland and all (beside me) interestet if it possible with PP under PP 400..

Thank you, Gentlemen

I don't really understand your dream...
 
After a few tests with the Lotus V8 and BMW M3 '04, I've temporarily given up on my stock production car attempts - I ran the M3 on SS tyres up to the first pit stops, but I was tired and my concentration low so although I was only 20 sec behind at the stop I threw in the towel to try another day. Tyre wear is quite high when you don't lighten these cars, so was only managing a 4 stop with the fourth lap a little dicey.

So we come to my latest run and the first with a FF and my lowest PP to date (just):



Car: Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03
HP: 284
PP: 469
Mods: None
Top Speed Setting: 174mph
Tyres: RS
All aids off. ABS 1. DFGT wheel.


Grid:
1. BNR 34 SKYLINE GT-R V-spec N1
2. FT565 twin turbo Audi TT
3. S2000 GT1 '04
4. 400R
5. Stage II R32
6. CT230R '08
7. Me - Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03
8. Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
9. Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33) '03
10. BNR 34 SKYLINE GT-R N1'06
11. Gran Turismo Skyline GT-R '01
12. Nismo 380RS Super Leggera

Once again I chose not to go up against the GT1 Turbo or R8 LMS as I wanted a close race and once again I've never driven or tested this car before.

Lap 1 - 9:14.xxx
And we're off - straight back to 10th but using the Celicas great brakes I'm up to fifth exiting the first turn. Pick off two more by the end of the GP section and it's instantly apparent that the FT565 and GT1 are quicker than anyone else. The grippy Celica is fast through the early turns and on new tyres I catch them both going up to Schwedenkreuz... and then drop it on the grass through Aremburg - doh! Re-enter the race in 10th. Fight my way back up to third by the end of the lap, 8 secs down.

Lap 2 - 9:04.xxx
Keeping it clean and, as usual what I gain the corners I lose on the straight - top speed through Kesselchen is 135mph and 160mph on the main straight. Small off at Bergwerk costs me about 5 secs.

Lap 3 - 9:04.xxx
More of the same - just learning the car and watching how my fuel and tyres are doing. Fronts down to half and rears hardly touched. Another small off costs about another 5 secs.

Lap 4 - 9:12.xxx
Pit In. Front tyres are going to need replacing as understeer increases, but the guys in front are suffering too. That was a decent lap on slippy fronts and the gap down from 15 secs to 8 by the time I pit. FT565 and GT1 carry on. Only used 35 litres of fuel so I'm going to get an advantage during all my pitstops.

Lap 5 - 9:25.xxx
Pit out - 35 secs behind. Decent lap but still get used to FF on this track. The Celica is much twitchier over the bumpy surface than my previous rides. Torque steers much less than I had imagined. FT565 pits and I go second.

Lap 6 - 9:14.xx
Now amongst the pack. Get boxed in through Eschbach and Brunnchen and can't see the circuit. I aim for some clear space around the BNR Skyline's huge arse (which fills my screen) and get side swiped into the barrier by the CT230R. Lose about 10-15 secs. F:censored: Mitsubishi drivers! Eventually clear the pack and a very slow and smoky GT1 to go into the lead.

Lap 7 - 9:02.xx
That's a better lap and slightly open the gap.

Lap 8 - 9:01.xx
Same as before.

Lap 9 - 9:11.xx
Pit in - Good in lap and managed to push the tyres to almost nothing - that's FF for ya! Only have to take on 20 litres of fuel.

Lap 10 - 9:27.xx
Pit out into 3rd.

Lap 11 - 8:56.xx
Good clean lap - about time too.

Lap 12 - 9:04.xx
Meh kind of lap where I lost it through Hocheichen. Leaders pit and I retake the lead.

Lap 13 - 9:13.xx
Pit in. Half way and my lap times are quite respectable so I decide to go back to a 4 lap strategy and not risk running on the canvas. Take on 25 litres of fuel.

Lap 14 - 9:27.xx
Pit out in second and watch the FT565 go past and into the first corner 4 secs ahead. A little chase is on and I'm feeling very confident of a win now.

Lap 15 - 8:55.xx
I'm into the lead at Flugplatz. Good lap.

Lap 16 - 8:58.xx
More of the same and open the gap to 8 secs. Lead up to 2 mins due to the FT565 and GT1 struggling on their in laps and not coping very well with traffic when out of sequence.

Lap 17 - 9:02.xx
Pit in. Getting used to the feel of an FF here now - some of the lines are quite different to FR and MR. Rush of blood to the head and like an idiot I accidentally fill the car to the brim with fuel - what a tw@t! Well, at least I shouldn't need any more fuel now.

Lap 18 - 10:22.xx
Pit out. Oof... lead cut in half. Not exactly panicking though. ;) Whoa, this car is heavy. Did it really feel like this at the start? :confused:

Lap 19 - 8:56.xx
Needed a good lap to make me feel better, and I got one.

Lap 20 - 9:20.xx
Nuts! Two grassy moments at Aremburg and Berwerk cost me a good 20 secs. Not proud of that lap.

Lap 21 - 9:15.xx
Pit in. The heavy car wears the tyres quicker so have an average in lap. Lap my first victim - I think it was the usual suspect, the 400R. No fuel, so I'm quickly out.

Lap 22 - 9:44.xx
Pit out. Average lap which is marred by two things. Firstly I lose it on the straight going towards Metzgesfeld - Wha? I never crash there! And the second was my wife deciding to walk in front of the screen as I fly through Pflanzgarten causing massive off! Charming.

Lap 23 - 8:55.xx
Good lap.

Lap 24 - 9:04.xx
Pit in. Decide to pit 1 lap early to maximise my tyres - not that I really need it. Come out 20 secs in the lead but I know the chasing FT565 will pit on the next lap.

Lap 25 - 9:24.xx
Maintain the gap to second - cruising now. FT565 pits and gives me a 1' 32" lead.

Lap 26 - 8:54.xx
Never done that before - fastest lap on the last lap... Vettel eat your heart out! Clock says I should be close to four hours at the end of the lap so I go for it.

Cross the line to win at 4:00.11.xxx with the FT565 1' 44" back.

Conclusion:
Easy win in the end which just shows how PP can sometimes be misleading. The MX-5 TC with a higher PP and lower BHP was much more of a challenge.

Went into this not knowing how a FF feels or goes here. The Trial Celica runs really well: plenty of grip, low understeer, very slight but entertaining oversteer on lift off, excellent brakes and low torque steer. The only criticism is the ride over the bumps which at times makes the steering wheel feel like you're in a small X2010, but that's quite minor. I'm not sure I'd find a better sub-500PP FF to run here... but you never know. :D
 
Last edited:
Excellent write up. 👍 I'm preparing to tackle this mini-enduro for the first time over break and looking for a decent challenge.
 
Thanks. Just for a crack yesterday I tested a S2000 '99 - 418PP - straight from the UCD with no mods but on RS tyres. I ran it up until the first pit stop to see if it was viable and ended up about 1'30" down on the FT565 by lap 6 (pit out). Surprisingly well balanced in stock form but the top speed really hurt the lap times. I was only getting about 125mph through Kesselchen and 145mph on the main straight - perhaps the oil light being on was to blame. ;)

I think I could win with this, but any mistakes would cost me dearly. To ease the pressure I would need to aim for a 6 lap pit sequence and this test showed that without playing with suspension settings (which I don't want to do), I'd realistically be looking at a 5 lap sequence - which would make things interesting!
 
Had a go with a Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) `97

nrburgringtypev1m.jpg


With this Lineup: (Cars and observed laptimes)

01. BNR Skyline GT-R N1 base..--..9:00.380
02. NISMO 380RS Super Leggera..-..8:59.209
03. S2000 GT1..-..8:53.715
04. FT565 Twin Turbo Audi TT..-..8:58.465
05. GRAN TURISMO 350Z RS..-..9:23.614
06. Skyline GT-R S-Tune (R32)..-..9:11.778
07. CIVIC TYPE R (EK) (me)..-..9:01.590
08. Amemiya FD3S RX-7..-..9:03.643
09. IS F Racing Concept..-..8:53.579
10. AEM S2000..-..8:57.071
11. Fairlady Z Z-Tune (Z33)..--..8:51.171
12. Option Stream Z..-..9:12.710

Completed 26 Laps with a Pitstop every 3 Laps and a MoV of 128 seconds

Car and stats of the car here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6324122#post6324122


raVer
 
Last edited:
So, another go at this endurance in a different car, I did some practice laps in various cars, but ended up with

Silvia spec-R AERO(s15) RM '02
382bhp
1000kg
537 PP

Racing Hard
No aids except ABS at 1
DFGT

The Grid;
G37
S2000
CTR2
BNR34 Skyline
IS F Racing Concept
Skyline GT-R S tune (R32)
Silvia spec-R AERO(S15) RM
Amemiya FD3S RX-7
400R '96
S2000 GT1
Gran Turismo 350Z
Carbon R (R34)


Lap 1 9:26
Up to 5th at first corner, the CTR2 has gone off like a rocket, but I maintain position with the rest until a tyre on the grass puts me off in a big spin an I'm back down to 7th.

Lap 2 9:04
Late into 1st corner and lose another 2 places, get them back at the Karussell though, pass mines r34 but he comes back past on Dottinger. Cross line 32s down on leader.

Lap 3 9:06

Lap 4 9:32
50s behind! Tyres gone and a couple of silly offs, in for a change to Racing Soft tyres and fuel, but messed up and pressed OK to 40 litres instead of reducing it to 15!

Lap 5 9:55
Back to 9th at start of lap 5, slow in lap and passed in the pits. 1m47s behind at first checkpoint. Terrible lap though on new tyres as well, but I do make it up to 7th.

Lap 6 9:04
Start lap passing two others in the pits so up to 5th. despite some stupid mistakes, am less than a minute down at Dottinger, pass the Re Amemiya to gain 4th place.

Lap 7 9:10
Up to 2nd as passed another two cars in the pits, just Montanari in the CTR2 40 secs up the road

Lap 8 9:16
Getting caught and end up 1 min behind as tyres going off and silly mistakes again. Pit in for RS tyres and 15 litres.

Lap 9 9:28
Out lap

Lap 10 9:03
Some others pit and go up to 3rd, Montanari is 1st and Koivu 2nd in the S2000 GT1

Lap 11 9:02
Catch Koivu in the S2000, but still 20s behind the leader.

Lap 12 9:02
End up 30s behind, the CTR is fast until his tyres go off.

Lap 13 9:08
Continue 30s behind and pit in for more RS tyres and 15 litres.

Lap 14 9:25
Exit pits still in 2nd, 1m4 behind at the first check point.

Lap 15 8:57
Much better! At last a decent lap without mistakes. Pass the leader in the pits to take the lead for the first time.

Lap 16 8:53
30s ahead at the first checkpoint. Ends up a good lap.

Lap 17 9:05
Just realised that fuel won't last the 5 laps I had planned (strategy of 4, 4, 5, 5, 4) so will need to come in the end of this lap. So pit for 45 litres with CTR about 30s behind.

Lap 18 ?
Start lap 23s behind at the first checkpoint. Realise that made another mistake and 45 litres won't be enough for 5 lap stint!

Lap 19 8:59
Am 20s behind by the start of Dottinger.

Lap 20 8:58
Catch Montanari in the CTR before Dottinger and he pits at the end of the lap

Lap 21 9:15
Couple of offs, pit for RS and 50 litres.

Lap 22 9:53
Start the lap 3s in the lead, looks like I can win now as 2nd place will have to pit again. He seems to be sticking to 5 laps stints even though that means pitting one before the end!

Lap 23 8:57
Stretch my lead to 8s, getting smoother now.

Lap 24 9:04
10s lead

Lap 25 9:06
12s lead, the CTR pits at end of the lap, so I need to make last lap fit the time remaining.

Lap 26 9:23
Nice and easy then slow round the last chicane to use up the time and cross the line in 1st place.

It took me while to get some smooth laps in which meant I wasn't sure of the win until later in the race.
 
Last edited:
I'm just waiting the GT86 so I can give it a try..

or if I get lucky enough to find a Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi '71 in the used car lots I can tune it for Nurburgring and see how that works out. :)

You can buy a 0km one now on the OCD.
 
Last edited:
Silvia spec-R AERO(s15) RM '02
382bhp
1000kg
537 PP
Racing Hard
No aids except ABS at 1
DFGT

Interesting. I ran the same car but straight from the garage (278bhp/492PP) and on RS tyres (post #602) rather than RH. I won by a country mile but that was mainly down to being able to get a good 6 lap strategy out of her. How were your tyres on a 5 lap stint? I've noticed a huge advantage in running less power and weight which takes less out of the tyres and gains you time by one less pit stop. Also down to a quirk in the game, the RS tyres wear better than the RHs.

...oh, and it was red. :D
 
Interesting. I ran the same car but straight from the garage (278bhp/492PP) and on RS tyres (post #602) rather than RH. I won by a country mile but that was mainly down to being able to get a good 6 lap strategy out of her. How were your tyres on a 5 lap stint? I've noticed a huge advantage in running less power and weight which takes less out of the tyres and gains you time by one less pit stop. Also down to a quirk in the game, the RS tyres wear better than the RHs.

...oh, and it was red. :D

I did read your report on that race and tried the car without any mods but thought I'd be too slow (practice lap was around 9:25 if i remember rightly), I never considered it would be easier on tyres and that I could manage with less stops and missed the fact that you had managed this.

My tyres weren't that bad I guess after 5 laps, but I didn't want to risk another lap and I was running out of fuel anyway.

I just thought I was much slower than some of the others posting here, as practice laps haven't been near the 9:05 time I was aiming for in other cars.

I do want to try it in a lower powered car that hasn't been used by others though, and will need to keep trying :ill:
 
I've done this race several times before, but I've only just stumbled upon this whole "race report" idea tonight. I'm going to try to post a race report over Christmas break when i don't have so many silly finals..:lol:
 
Right. I'm paying attention again now. I'll update this thread when I get some time on Wednesday or Thursday and possibly add in my own "last" attempt (I'll reach A-Spec level 40 next time I win this race) while I'm at it.
 
Next attempt will be in a tuned Volvo C30 (still around 500PP though).

Off topic I know, but am annoyed to notice yesterday that have some screen burn on my plasma. Presumably from doing endurance races, as it's the Total Time and Best Lap Time text that can be seen in the top right of my screen.

Might try reducing EV in race "quick options" next time.
 

Latest Posts

Back