Four Hours: The Nürburgring 4Hr Companion & Competition

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I did a test with the Motor Sport Elise and found it not to be the most pleasant car to drive.

I kept it mid pack for the most part but the forth lap (on RH) saw me dancing like the RUF towards the end. It was like the road had frozen and the Elise was uncontrollable. I didn't even bother with trying RS.

It has the corner pace to make it a good competitor but the tyre wear issue put me off and the wind noise at speed was driving me mad.

Back to the drawing board.
 
Seems like you all need new data with the update.

Did the event for the first time tonight, probably one of the few times I've been on the track...

Used a stock AMEMIYA ASPARADRINK RX-7 '04, only changed the downforce to Max, and refreshed the Oil... Racing Hards.

I think it was 520pp (ended on 512pp)

G27 used with cockpit, one full stint.

Opponents in grid order (eventual placing)
Corvette '60 (10th)
R8 LMS Race Car '09 (1st)
GRAN TURISMO SKYLINE GT-R '01 (7th)
CTR2 '96 (3rd)
BNR34 SKYLINE GT_R V-Spec N1 (4th)
CTR230 (5th)
Me - AMEMIYA ASPARADRINK RX-7 '04 (2nd)
GRAN TURISMO 350Z RS (11th)
NISMO 380RS Super Leggera (6th)
CTR Yellow Bird '87 (12th)
Fairlady Z Z-tune Z33 '03 (8th)
BNR SKYLINE GT-R N1 Base '06 (9th)

Basically as the LMS started on the front of the grid it went bye-bye... except for some crossover when I started on 4, 4 pit strategy, then changed to see what 5, 5 would do... so I then had to chase him as I realised my slightly casual early laps and strategy change was probably unwise...

However it was when I pitted on lap 18 I made the fatal mistake, I accidently filled the tank up completely... (don't watch NBA at same time on the other tv...) so unfortunately

10:06.802 outlap resulted... From there I worked out how laps/stops were to come from time remaining although I rattled off
8:48.674
8:48.209
9:02.254
9:22.965
8:52.916
8:57.955
8:52.429
8:59.884
and only making one stop I still battled back from nearly two minutes down to finally finish 29.439 secs behind...

My best was 8:43.931, the R8 LMS did a 8:31.247 but as people say it's on a 3 lap cycle and loses abit of time on the his last 3rd of the 3rd lap.

Just peeved I didn't apply myself in the early laps where I tried multi-tasking and lost some time...
 
my take on the pre-post 2.02 icon (maybe a little big)
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I might have another crack at this in the MX-5 TC on RHs to get a clearer picture of the tyre wear changes. The MX-5 is very gentle on it's tyres as shown by my previous win and recent re-run of the Roadster 4hr enduro.

Either that or the FTO Super Touring Car against the Audi LMS.
 
Just finished again with a different car.
M3 Coupe '07 Stock
Racing Mediums front
Racing Hards rear
Wore very evenly, I was pitting every 3 laps. You probably could push 4 laps, it just gets very icy toward the end of lap 4.
The turbo was present and promptly awarded me second place. I'm going now for a mild tune to try again.
 
I've settled on my next ride. It's not going to break any records but it's an awesome drive (once the push was tuned out). I'm going to run it against the GT1. It's turned into a semi-rabbit after the update, only 5 sec a lap slower than the "real" rabbits (averaged).

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I really want to do this race but each time I pick a car its either too fast or too slow. Does anyone know any good premium cars post 2.02 that would give a competitive race.

Thanks.
 
I really want to do this race but each time I pick a car its either too fast or too slow. Does anyone know any good premium cars post 2.02 that would give a competitive race.

Thanks.

For the most part it's trial and error.

I've spent more time finding the right car then I have actually racing, it's part of the fun for me.

Pick a car you feel you can drive well, do one stint to calculate tyre wear and fuel consumption, if you have a well matched car then finish the race. If the car is over / under powered make a few modifications to get it where you want it.

Part of the beauty of this race is it doesn't matter how much skill you have or well you know the track. Every car will have a different feel to it and will need to be driven a certain way to win.

If your skill level is low, take a car with a bit more power than the rabbits, if your highly skilled take an underpowered, overweight car to even the score.

If you really don't want to be bothered with testing then check the first page for information on what cars will get the job done.
 
I really want to do this race but each time I pick a car its either too fast or too slow. Does anyone know any good premium cars post 2.02 that would give a competitive race.

Thanks.

As Shem said. Testing and tuning are a big part of the fun.

I like to run harder tires than the AI. Sport Soft or Race Hard. Especially now that the tires wear so fast. And I like to tune my cars for even tire wear front and rear.

I suggest you start out with around 500PP. If you finish the first lap in the lead you're too fast. But my second lap is my true test. That lap I want around 8'50 if I'm going against the rabbits, around 8'55 if I'm going against the GT1, and 9'35 if those cars are not in the race.
 
I have my Cusco Impreza setup for the 4hr Nurb and its amazing.
I've run this race about 6 times and love it. Its not the fastest car in the world but it just goes where I want it to and I always make my time in the turns.
It takes me about 2-3 laps to get into the lead and then I'm gone.
I'm averaging 8-50's and getting 7 laps per runs with only about 20 sec of fall of over a run. It grips so well and my areo is set so I need very little brake whitch translates into higher overall speeds. I have run this race so many times I can actually run laps in my head. Its usefull so I can quickly adjust my line to pass other cars.
I usually start lapping cars around laps 18-20 and seem to always squeeze 27 laps into the 4hrs.
The fastest I've ever taken the lead was about 2 miles into the first lap but as a result of that, buy the end of the run I only had 6 laps in so its best to be smooth and let the lead come to you.

Top speed is about 165mph.
I finish each run with about 1/4 a tank but the tires are gone.

My set up is.
F/R
RH -10.0/0.0
SR 13.8/12.5
Ext 8/8
Comp 7/7
ST 6/6
Camb 2.3/0.4
Toe -.04/+.20
Brake 7/4
Arero 18/43
Balast 50/50
In Tq 10/10
Acc Tq 40/40
Brk Sens 5/20
Tq Spl 30/70
Med front / Soft rear
388HP
548PP
See you on the track.
 
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Is this before or after the 2.02 update? I can't see anyone pulling a 7 lap pit sequence now. Did you win against the Audi LMS in any of those runs?
 
I couldn't even finish a 4 lap run on RH in a friggin' Elise!

Anything pulling a 7 stint must be really conservative on tyre wear. I can't see a 7 stint being done on a race win either [currently, post Spec II].

One would need to drive like a grandma to get 7 laps and then there's no way, even without the rabbits, it'd be possible to win in my eyes.
 
I couldn't even finish a 4 lap run on RH in a friggin' Elise!

Anything pulling a 7 stint must be really conservative on tyre wear. I can't see a 7 stint being done on a race win either [currently, post Spec II].

One would need to drive like a grandma to get 7 laps and then there's no way, even without the rabbits, it'd be possible to win in my eyes.


7 laps with RM´s and 1100 kg and AWD , no way!!

Maybe with CM´s and CS´s. :lol:


raVer
 
7 laps with RM´s and 1100 kg and AWD , no way!!

Maybe with CM´s and CS´s. :lol:


raVer
I was doing 6 lap runs with a stock 2012 GTR(Sport Hard, oil change only), could have stretched to 7 I think. I might try when i've finished my 24hr race.

In that race I did 27 laps I think, 3/4 of a lap clear of the GT1
 
7 laps with RM´s and 1100 kg and AWD , no way!!

He might be running SRF. I have no idea how that would affect tire wear.


OK, just to add a little spice to the soup...

I'm 8 laps into a run with the 04 Sti. 1250kg. 500PP.

I'm running Race Hard tires, and I'm pitting every 4 laps, but here's the thing.... I still have 50% tires at the end of lap 4. A 5th lap would be easy. A 6th would be possible, but not fun.

I am definitely running for tire wear but I'm not running slow. I'm just being very smooth with all inputs.

My best lap so far is a 8'56. My fast competition is the GT1, but he's not running as fast as I expected, and I'm 1'40 ahead already. Obviously this one has turned into a walk, but I don't want to waste my time I already have into it so I'm going to finish. I'm curious to see how my time will stack up if the LMS was in the race.
 
He might be running SRF. I have no idea how that would affect tire wear.


OK, just to add a little spice to the soup...

I'm 8 laps into a run with the 04 Sti. 1250kg. 500PP.

I'm running Race Hard tires, and I'm pitting every 4 laps, but here's the thing.... I still have 50% tires at the end of lap 4. A 5th lap would be easy. A 6th would be possible, but not fun.

I am definitely running for tire wear but I'm not running slow. I'm just being very smooth with all inputs.

My best lap so far is a 8'56. My fast competition is the GT1, but he's not running as fast as I expected, and I'm 1'40 ahead already. Obviously this one has turned into a walk, but I don't want to waste my time I already have into it so I'm going to finish. I'm curious to see how my time will stack up if the LMS was in the race.


I did a quick run with the AWD CUSCO (only a oilchange and no other mods) on SM´s

After 5 laps , I had a 52 second lead .I guess it was the Mines on a 5lap stint behind me.
The GT1 and the FT565 had pitted already and were aguesstimate 2-3 minutes behind.
If you are careful with your tyres , you can put a 6th lap in.



raVer
 
Long time since I have done this race and first time reporting it.

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Trial Celica SS-II

Stock Tune - Racing Hard tyres
Power 294 BHP
Torque 29 kg
Weight 1140kg
PP 476


Grid

Gran Turismo 350Z RS
G37
Carbon R (R34)
CTR "Yellow Bird"
Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33)
Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34)
Trial Celica SS-II
Stage 2 R32
Corvette '60
BNR34 Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 Base(R34)
CT230R
Gran Turismo Skyline GT-R



End of Hour 1 (splits end of previous lap)

7-1 Celica - 6.5 laps 4'36.328
5-2 Z Z-tune - 50.524
10-3 BNR34 - 50.229
3-4 Carbon - 1'21.405
2-5 G37 - 1'40.234
6-6 GT-R R-tune - 1'42.662
11-7 CT230R - 31.739
8-8 R32 - 1'50.515
12-9 GT Skyline - 2'07.982
1-10 GT 350Z - 2'08.085
4-11 CTR - 2'32.985
9-12 Corvette - 3'40.096

End of Hour 2

2-1 Z Z-tune - 12 laps 8'31.627 - 21.426
1-2 Celica - -- 12 laps 8'53.036 (+30.990 next lap)
3-3 BNR34 - 45.452
7-4 CT230R - 46.262
6-5 GT-R R-tune - 2'27.578
5-6 G37 - 2'36.179
8-7 R32 - 2'37.171
9-8 GT Skyline - 3'21.168
4-9 Carbon - 2'33.062
10-10 GT 350Z - 5'12.105
11-11 CTR - 5'38.577
12-12 Corvette - 6'22.628

End of Hour 3

2-1 Celica 19 laps 4'03.739
1-2 Z Z-tune - 2.799
3-3 BNR34 - 41.874
4-4 CT230R - 2'05.434
5-5 GT-R R-tune - 3'05.927
6-6 G37 - 3'45.354
7-7 R32 - 3'46.079
9-8 Carbon - 18 laps 9'01.883
8-9 GT Skyline - 18 laps 8'30.300
10-10 GT 350Z RS - 18 laps 4'58.067
11-11 CTR - 18 laps 4'39.498
12-12 Corvette - 18 laps 3'54.421

Final Standings (Fastest Laps)

1-1 Celica 26 laps 4:00'55.383 (8'59.466)
2-2 Z Z-tune - 8.383(pit) approx 1 min at end (8'50.664)
3-3 BNR34 - 20.120(pit) approx 1'30 (9'00.207)
4-4 CT230R - 1'56.835 (9'01.361)
5-5 GTR R-tune - 3'18.891 (9'04.148)
6-6 G37 - 4'35.947 (9'08.774)
7-7 R32 - 4'37.284 (9'03.435)
8-8 Carbon - 5'58.066 (9'07.585)
9-9 GT Skyline - 6'00.223 (9'12.799)
11-10 CTR - 25 laps (8'50.708)
10-11 GT 350Z RS - 25 laps (9'24.587)
12-12 Corvette - 25 laps (9'15.111)

The Z Z-tune was much faster in high speed sections gaining 5-7 seconds on the long straight alone. Through it's first 4 laps of each stint had closed a minute gap on a couple of occasions, however it's 5th lap would lose approx 35-45 seconds.
I was pitting every 4 laps and from lap 17 to lap 19 held the lead by 4 seconds at most during each lap. Late on lap 19 I lapped the Corvette which promptly held up the Z giving a brief 8 second lead that was cut to 2 seconds by the start/finish line. Pitted at the end of Lap 20 and was blocked when exiting the pit box by the pitting Z Z-tune. Holding the lead through those laps and the 35 seconds I had gained on lap 20 proved to be the difference between a close finish and the comfortable win i ended with.
 
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Is this before or after the 2.02 update? I can't see anyone pulling a 7 lap pit sequence now. Did you win against the Audi LMS in any of those runs?

Last time I ran this race was a week ago.
Yes my tires were dead every time. (race med front / race soft rear)
But its all about rythum and not beating the crud out of your tires.
I have beat the Audi several times with this setup.
I'm not "Driving like a gandma"
I can blast through the laps, tires screaching in every corner and only go 4-5 laps per stint. Or I can relax and race the clock instead of the car in front of me. Thats why My cars seem slow in rooms doing a one lap sprint. Heck my setup dosn't even really set in untill the 2-3 lap.
Any time I run a Nurb room its always 5-10 laps.
Most people rage quit after the first lap. some get board and the ones that do stay I usually out pit and beat.

Its not only my setup its my driving style.
I posted my setup.
I have in the past as well to help people and they get close to the runs times I do but its all about how you drive.
I can set up a room my next day off and see who has the best setup for 7 laps. :)
 
I have my Cusco Impreza setup for the 4hr Nurb and its amazing.
I've run this race about 6 times and love it. Its not the fastest car in the world but it just goes where I want it to and I always make my time in the turns.
It takes me about 2-3 laps to get into the lead and then I'm gone.
I'm averaging 8-50's and getting 7 laps per runs with only about 20 sec of fall of over a run. It grips so well and my areo is set so I need very little brake whitch translates into higher overall speeds. I have run this race so many times I can actually run laps in my head. Its usefull so I can quickly adjust my line to pass other cars.
I usually start lapping cars around laps 18-20 and seem to always squeeze 27 laps into the 4hrs.
The fastest I've ever taken the lead was about 2 miles into the first lap but as a result of that, buy the end of the run I only had 6 laps in so its best to be smooth and let the lead come to you.

Top speed is about 165mph.
I finish each run with about 1/4 a tank but the tires are gone.

My set up is.
F/R
RH -10.0/0.0
SR 13.8/12.5
Ext 8/8
Comp 7/7
ST 6/6
Camb 2.3/0.4
Toe -.04/+.20
Brake 7/4
Arero 18/43
Balast 50/50
In Tq 10/10
Acc Tq 40/40
Brk Sens 5/20
Tq Spl 30/70
Med front / Soft rear
388HP
548PP
See you on the track.

Taking the same car tuned to 545PP, using the tune I made for a GT300 series I ran a few months back. Using racing soft tires:

My first lap was 8'34.8
I took the lead from the GT1 Turbo in the RTL hairpin. I had as much as a 9 second lead but he closed it to 7 seconds at the start line.
My second lap was 8'31.5
I stretched my lead to 18 seconds.
My third lap was 8'36, including pit in.
I still had around 20% tires left when I entered the pits. The GT1 crossed the line 56 seconds behind me. To keep things even I took a full load of fuel, but I was still 1'06 ahead of the GT1 Turbo on pit exit.

My total time for the first 3 laps to the point where I left my pit stall was 26'16.

This makes my average laps 8'43. If I subtract the time I lost taking a full load of fuel I could make 28 laps.

My point is that stretching tires loses more time on the track than it gains in the pits.
 
...My point is that stretching tires loses more time on the track than it gains in the pits.

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That´s what I said a hundred times before.
You lose more time due worn tyres and refueling in pits than pitting every 2 or 3 laps and refuel while changing the tyres.If the tyre change is done you are ready to go. ;)


raVer
 
Famine, I have compiled some data (as much as i could) from your last OP edit date. hope this will make it easier for you to update when you can.
Some of the averages are approximates from adding all their laptimes and one or two where i guessed that they had done 26 laps.


-------------------------------HP---PP---Tyres-hp/tonne---Ave MPH
daan-------------CR-Z TC-----196--453---RS----194.059---98.666
schack-----------NSX Type R --312--502---SS----296.860---98.672
SuperCobraJet----Evora----- --293--475---RS----239.575---102.929
DGiant2000-------Z4 M Coupe -330--490---RH----262.948---98.603
faqoldschool------alfa giulia----254--559---RS----409.677---101.157
Michel4AGE-------NSX Type R--280--462---SS----220.472---98.294
SuperCobraJet----Evora------ -282--470---RS----230.581---102.462
axletramp-------- Silvia RM---- 278--492---RS----278.000---98.662
axletramp-------- MX-5 TC---- 197--473---RS----247.799 ---97.665
LouDilbert-------- 320i Touring- 280--491---RS----245.614---?
iainn------------- RX-7 SpiritR- 443--553---RS----421.503---98.48
axletramp-------- Trial Celica- -284--469---RS----249.123---98.607
-raver------------EK Civic R- -267--453---RS ----281.053---?
iainn------------- Silvia RM-----382--537---RH ----382.000 ---?
GTSail------------RX-7---------???--??? ---SS ----??????? ---97.545
Silent Bob-------- 86 GT------- 341--499---SS----301.503---98.124
jtv90069--------- Trial Celica--- 294--476---RH----257.895---98.305
 
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My next 4H will take me to level 40. I'd like to use the N24 but it's way overkill unless you use a lot of limiter, so my second choice is the 320i touring car.
 
My next 4H will take me to level 40. I'd like to use the N24 but it's way overkill unless you use a lot of limiter, so my second choice is the 320i touring car.

I just bought the 320i last night from the UCD, I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. Could be a good runner with a small ballast. Let us know if you take it around, if not I'll give it a try.
 
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That´s what I said a hundred times before.
You lose more time due worn tyres and refueling in pits than pitting every 2 or 3 laps and refuel while changing the tyres.If the tyre change is done you are ready to go. ;)


raVer

My test last night with a 468PP S2000 '04 would confirm this. I can get a good 6 lap sequence on RH tyres but I lose about 10 seconds per lap (!) over the RS option, which I can only run for 4 laps. But the 4 faster laps on RS is much quicker over race distance.

I also notice that the AI struggle even more on their in-laps than before. They also take less time to pit at their first stops. It would appear they only take on tyres rather than filling up with fuel as well. Didn't run to the second stop to find out if they took the usual 60 seconds.

@jtv90069 Thanks for the new data update. I'll see if I can get my hp/tonne for the MX-5 TC for you. 👍
 
@jtv90069 Thanks for the new data update. I'll see if I can get my hp/tonne for the MX-5 TC for you. 👍

No problem. All i need is the weight of the MX-5 TC then I can update it, or if you want the formula =bhp/(weight/1000)
 
I just bought the 320i last night from the UCD, I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. Could be a good runner with a small ballast. Let us know if you take it around, if not I'll give it a try.

I'm in the tweaking process. I'm taking it against both LMS AND GT-1 Turbo. Out with a bang, just like the old year. :D

EDIT: This one is a challenge. The 5-speed box and lack of torque make gear selection tricky. The car maxes out at 525PP but it doesn't like max rear downforce so 517 seems to be my number. It doesn't seem very fast for a 517PP car so I'll need to fiddle a bit more before I am ready to take on the big dogs.

It would appear they only take on tyres rather than filling up with fuel as well.

The AI still takes on a full fuel load. It just doesn't take as long since they have used less fuel.

I do wish PD would give the AI a little bit of brains when it comes to pitting. How many lines of code would it take for the AI to measure tire wear and pit if their tires won't last another lap? :grumpy:
 
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My Level 40 Race
Car: BMW 320i Touring Car
Tires: RH
PP: 505/498
HP: 320/305
Weight: 1140
Race Time 4:04:44

For my "ultimate" N4 race I had to pick a car that represented the heart and soul of racing at the ring. Since the DTM cars are vastly overpowered for this event I chose the classic 320i.

Both rabbits were in the race. The LMS was driven by Samuel Morse. I thought he was dead...

The first lap was a brawl, with me, the LMS, GT1 Turbo, CT230R, and AEM all running in a pack for half the lap. I managed to shoulder past them all to take the lead but that didn't last long as the LMS got by the CT230R and I let him by. The GT1 Turbo was held up longer and didn't catch me until Dottinger.

The LMS stayed ahead of the GT1 Turbo the whole race.

On lap 3 I caught up to the GT1 Turbo on his dead tires and passed him coming onto Dottinger. I stayed ahead to the pit entrance.

I held the lead until I pitted on lap 4.

The lead traded back and forth a few times through pit cycles until lap 18 when the LMS briefly took the lead for the last time. I lead from there to the end.

The LMS closed down to 8 seconds on the last lap before his tires were gone. I had hoped he would pass me and then I could make a final lap pass for the win... Oh well.

My winning margin was 41 seconds over the LMS. The GT1 Turbo was another 16 seconds behind him.

Finishing Order:

BMW 320i ---------- Pit, 4 laps - 27 laps - FL 8:49.2 - 4:04:44
Audi R8 LMS -------- Pit, 3 laps - 27 laps - FL 8:31.8 - 4:05:24
S2000 GT1 Turbo --- Pit, 3 laps - 27 laps - FL 8:34.9 - 4:05:40
AEM S2000 --------- Pit, 3 laps - 26 laps - FL 9:01.6 - 4:03:39
HKS CT230R -------- Pit, 5 laps - 26 laps - FL 9:04.4 - 4:04:59
Amemiya FD3S ------ Pit, 4 laps - 26 laps - FL 9:07.1
HEP G37 ------------ Pit, 3 laps - 25 laps - FL 9:15.4
380RS Super Leg ---- Pit, 4 laps - 25 laps - FL 9:04.4
NISMO GT-R S-tune - Pit, 4 laps - 25 laps - FL 9:16.1
NISMO 400R --------- Pit, 5 laps - 24 laps - FL 9:32.7
Yellow Bird ---------- Pit, 2 laps - 23 laps - FL 9:14.0
Stream Z ----------- Pit, 3 laps - 23 laps - FL 9:20.4


But here's something odd that happened. On lap 3 the Option Stream Z was out of rear tires and just past the karousel he got together with another car and spun. He got stuck because there was a slight uphill and he had zero traction. He could pull out on the track but then he would slide back to the shoulder.

He repeated this for 8 minutes until I came by, just missing him. Of course I didn't know he was stuck at that time.

He remained there while I made another full lap. Not realizing he was still there I came flying around the bend and this time he was right across the track so I hit him. Fortunately for him this gave him a little momentum and once he was moving he was able to complete his lap.

In all he was stuck there about 17 minutes.
 
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Seems like SH tyres are proving the pro choice after the update, eh?

I don't know, made me try them. Not that I'm pro, just wanted to try something different.
It was my third time doing the 4h, first time without any crashes. :D

So I went with the Impreza Rally Proto @555PP, 470bhp, 4WD for the sake of SH tires. Also wanted front aero since it's 4WD, and a car with left-hand steering. No driving assists on, this time I turned off the abs too.

The rabbits didn't enter the race. Unfortunately neither did the Yellowbird. I would have liked to see it messing around. Don't remember the exact opponents since I suspended and didn't know I couldn't save the replay. So I'll be writing just out of memory.

Moving out of the line before the first corner to brake earlier and avoid being bumped from behind which happened in testing. I end up out-braking 1 car and accelerate to sixth place from the very outside of the corner.

Various overtakes and tight battle during next few laps. A bit of struggle with longer braking distances. Finally take the lead from the Audi TT somewhere on the 4th lap. First pit at the end of the same lap. Trying with 25 litres. Think the car uses somewhat 40L during the 4 laps. Audi pits on the same lap. I drop to second during pit. Don't remember who passed.

Overtake 1st and lead the rest of the race. 4 lap stints all the race. About 75% tires left when pitting. Refuel about 40 lires each time. I slow the pace down a bit towards the end to avoid any mistakes. Some close calls with funny powerslide saves. Shouldn't mess with the radio at the same time. Final pit after lap 20. Last stint is six laps and I take the win by about 1'30.

A funny thing about the race: Somewhere at 3 1/2 hours it's Katy Perry's The One That Got Away playing on the radio. I remember the guy in the video chrashing at the end and I'm thinking: haha not gonna do the same. :lol: Not laughing for long though. Suddenly I lose the picture in my tv for about three seconds (it does that once in a while, no idea why) when I'm going almost 200km/h trough Flugplazt.:eek: Carefully apply some brakes and steer where I think the road goes. The picture is back and luckily I'm still on the road.:)

All in all a good race. Some challenge in the beginning, not so much later. Next time should drop the PP a bit or maybe challenge the rabbits with something.
 
**** On lap 3 the Option Stream Z was out of rear tires and just past the karousel he got together with another car and spun. He got stuck because there was a slight uphill and he had zero traction. He could pull out on the track but then he would slide back to the shoulder*****He remained there while I made another full lap. Not realizing he was still there I came flying around the bend and this time he was right across the track so I hit him. Fortunately for him this gave him a little momentum and once he was moving he was able to complete his lap.

Nicely done!

Exactly why teammates are needed!

GTsail
 

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