Free PSN Games - Your Choice of 2 from a List of 5

[Tommy_861]

http://kotaku.com/5802488/sony-thinks-your-psn-pain-and-suffering-is-worth-up-to-104

I only posted that link for this reply on it.



Lumination promoted by dmc666
Mon 16 May 2011 10:09 PM
Here's the deal, Sony. When you advertised your console to me, you advertised it as an all-in-one device. It had free online play, it had Blu-ray capabilities, it had music playing, it had Linux, etc. You took Linux away. I didn't use it enough to complain, but regardless, that's a story for another day.

You lost all of my personal information and I could not use my console as advertised for almost a month. Not having online play, I can deal with. I can't play Demon's Souls properly, but thankfully, all of my online games are on the 360. However, it's pretty insulting to have your President welcome me back with open arms and a promise of reparations, and then to give me a whopping $100 in games. This doesn't count the fact that I can get some of these for cheaper, that I don't have a PSP, or that I don't subscribe to any of those other services. That further diminishes its value to be about $40.

My identity, my bank account, and my credit are worth $40 to you? It's more than clear how much you don't care. It's more than clear that you're doing the bare minimum you can to try to scrape some goodwill off of your freshly stomped-on fanbase. Something that would have shown that you cared would be something like a poll. What do your supporters want in return? I'm not expecting much; I don't need expensive games. But seriously, three downloadables, one with a sequel out, and one with a sequel about to be released. You can be sure that every time I think to buy a PS3 game now, I'll keep this in mind. I'm voting with my wallet, dammit.
Edited by Lumination at 05/16/11 10:10 PM

And this was my reply to that :

Seriously you deserve a big WAAH. As was mentioned here there is no proof any identities or credit cards actually being used or abused because of this breach. Not only that but TONS of major retailers and other businesses have lost customer information recently and you know what they gave their customers? A letter that said "sucks to be you better change your credit card number!" Seriously get off your soap box, theres 70 million of us whos info was also compromised, and 70 million who are actually able to get some decent games from it which is pretty nice.

 

[NZHippo]

I'll be getting Wipeout and Dead Nation, would highly recommend Infamous to others if you haven't played it. I'm quite happy with what Sony are offering (although was hoping for some God of War games) I would have preferred having some free credit to spend in the store but I guess this way they won't lose so much money as I believe all these games are owned by Sony anyway?

Some people sure are acting like ungrateful sacks.

 

[Northstar]

Are people really complaining about FREE games?

I just can't believe people are moaning when Sony could have just issued a public apology and be done with the whole ordeal.

As for me, I'm very satisfied as I've been wanting LBP, not sure what other game I'll get though, probably Wipeout as none of the others interest me much.

 

[Terronium-12]

This x 100.
Why on earth they couldn't just give people $10-25 in their virtual PSN wallet i don't know, i could have bought some DLC i actually wanted that way.

Keep your PSN+ subscription (anything you get via the free 30days including games downloaded can't be accessed when your free PSN+ subscription run out),
Keep your qriocity subscription(music is already free)
Keep your 5 games i've never heard of.

Ungrateful but honest.

And then you'd bitch about them not giving you enough money in said account, paramount to the duration of time PSN was offline.

Seriously, how you find the time to bitch about something you're not paying for is so far beyond my comprehension that I honestly believe you're just trolling.

 

[Northstar]

I Am.
A list of 5 old games, some of which have sequels out .

Were you really expecting some game that came out last month?

A month subscription to stuff that i can't access after the month is up ( trying to tempt me into purchasing when i realise i can't use stuff i downloaded)

What's wrong with that? This is an opportunity to do with PSN+ what they should have done when they first rolled it out(as in give everyone a free month).

A month free music when there is a gazillion ways to get free music already.

Most of which happen to be illegal.

$10 in my PSN virtual wallet to buy some DLC or other stuff from their store at the time of my choosing and the content of my choosing is far more appealing.

They would only lose more money that way as they don't own the rights to all the DLC, only their games they've developed and published. Besides, more people would complain than getting a free game. I think more people would want 2 free games, $10 doesn't buy much on the PS Store anyways.

Plus it would give you this little thing called "choice".

Since when was choosing between 5 games not choice?

You should really be happy you got more than a press release.

I also think I should say a well known phrase "Life isn't fair, get used to it".

 

[sk0pe]

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Were you really expecting some game that came out last month?



What's wrong with that? This is an opportunity to do with PSN+ what they should have done when they first rolled it out(as in give everyone a free month).

Most of which happen to be illegal.

They would only lose more money that way as they don't own the rights to all the DLC, only their games they've developed and published. Besides, more people would complain than getting a free game. I think more people would want 2 free games, $10 doesn't buy much on the PS Store anyways.

Since when was choosing between 5 games not choice?

You should really be happy you got more than a press release.

I also think I should say a well known phrase "Life isn't fair, get used to it".

Fair enough some will be happy with the offer as i've said before.

I don't think it was the greatest offer personally, but apparently when you put out that point of view it's "trolling" to some, lol this is a forum right? A place to discuss ideas?

5 games of genre you don't like is hardly a choice, that's called a decision actually.

@ losing money. I've spent 1600NZD on my PS3 x 77million users = $123,200,000,000.00 = a company can afford to take a hit here and there.

As for life isn't fair, well i know that and that's why it doesn't bother me. But i still have a point of view about it whether it bothers me or not.

 

[Terronium-12]

Dismiss another point of view as trolling if you wish. $10 would be fairly reasonable i would think. Even exceed some expectations.

And i'm pretty sure when i paid $799 NZD for my PS3 that i was paying for a working Online service so stfu. or are you trolling? How people say we weren't paying is "beyond my great wise comprehension"

I'm certain when you paid your $799 NZD you were (in part) paying for the hardware that allowed you to access that online feature. How you pay for something that has no price is a mystery in itself. Furthermore when a service is compromised and it can no operate within it's originally intended capacity you either deal with it, or you take your business elsewhere.

Oh, and another thing, explain to me how free games (that you're not paying for...which by the way is what I was referring to) have absolutely any relation to the well being of an online service? Which, again, you aren't paying for - unless you're a PSN+ member.

 

[Northstar]

I don't think it was the greatest offer personally,

It's not the greatest offer ever, but it's rather ingenious as most games on the the list have DLC and as you said it, sequels as well. It's a great way to gain face again as well as potentially get some lost profits back.

but apparently when you put out that point of view it's "trolling" to some, lol this is a forum right? A place to discuss ideas?

It's really how you go about expressing that opinion that matters. I don't really have a problem with your post, just your view(which isn't wrong as it's mostly an opinion).

5 games of genre you don't like is hardly a choice, that's called a decision actually.

Can't have a decision without choices. Also, just because you don't like any of the games above doesn't mean nobody does.

@ losing money. I've spent 1600NZD on my PS3 x 77million users = A bucketload of money, = a company can afford to take a hit here and there.

Yes and no.

Yes, they can potentially earn back their losses over time.

No, as they could lose investors, not to mention things like this are almost always PR disasters..

Thankfully for Sony they don't rely on their video game division for all of their profits.

Edit: Your math in your edit is waaaay off. IIRC Sony has actually sold PS3's at a loss since they came out.

 

[sk0pe]

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Oh, and another thing, explain to me how free games (that you're not paying for...which by the way is what I was referring to) have absolutely any relation to the well being of an online service? Which, again, you aren't paying for - unless you're a PSN+ member.
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Yes i am paying for it regardless PSN+ or not, included in the advertised price was the PSN feature for free. So as part of the original ticket price, that included the PSN for free.
Instead of getting the system cheaper like the Xbox 360 i got raped at the time of purchase, rather than whilst playing like 360 owners.

Either way i paid for PSN.

And to answer your question, they are related because that is the compensation offered by the company who took away my service i paid for , for 25+ days.

Edit : My math is fine thankyou justin Check it out. The last two zeros are after a . btw implying cents.

Did you not see the office that CEO was sitting in? HE ALONE could afford to give everyone $10 PSn money out of his loose change, let alone Sony giving everyone credit. ( slight joke )

 

[Sharky.]

And SSD HD doesn't look completely awesome to me.

SSD is only for the US territories, EU accounts have Ratchet and Clank instead

Are people really complaining about FREE games?

Welcome to the internet, where even freebies aren't good enough to please people. Sony didn't have to offer people free games, but they decided to anyway - yet people are still finding it within themselves to be ungrateful.

Plus it would give you this little thing called "choice".

Being able to choose two free games from five isn't choice?

Also, I think you'll find the purchase price from DLC goes to the developer of said DLC. If Sony was to credit everyone's Store wallet to the tune of $10, Sony themselves would have to cover the cost to the developer in question - if you used your free $10 to buy DLC for, say, an Ubisoft game, Sony would have to pay Ubisoft the royalties for the DLC. Normally the royalties come from the end user and Sony is merely the distributor - they pass the required money on to the developers. If Sony was to basically let all PSN users buy any one item of DLC for free, who would have to cough up the $$$? That's right, Sony. $10 x 70 million accounts is far more than a drop in the bucket even for a company the size of Sony.

5 games of genre you don't like is hardly a choice, that's called a decision actually.

Don't download any of them then, as you clearly don't want any of the titles Sony's offering. Sony reps aren't holding a gun to your head and telling you that you have to pick two to download.

 

[Northstar]

Edit : My math is fine thankyou justin Check it out. The last two zeros are after a . btw implying cents.

If it cost Sony $0 to make the PS3 maybe... but that's not the case.

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Keep in mind that they cost $300 here in the States. The fat one was even worse as they lost about $100 on each console.

 

[sk0pe]

Don't download any of them then, as you clearly don't want any of the titles Sony's offering. Sony reps aren't holding a gun to your head and telling you that you have to pick two to download.

I haven't and won't. The only thing i will use is the PSN+ just to see if it has any benefits to me personally.

Sony didn't have to offer people free games, but they decided to anyway - yet people are still finding it within themselves to be ungrateful.

Ummm where were you the last 4 weeks? Technically they might not have had to give away anything, but due to the PR disaster that it was and Microsoft having given away games before, they did actually have to.

Also, I think you'll find the purchase price from DLC goes to the developer of said DLC. If Sony was to credit everyone's Store wallet to the tune of $10, Sony themselves would have to cover the cost to the developer in question -

Uh yeah that's the idea lol. Sometimes when you make mistakes in buisness you have to pay, not having firewalls on your online servers is a pretty big mistake i think?

 

[ilwilton]

So once this month of PSN+ is over, do we get to keep plaing the games we have chosen to download?

 

[sk0pe]

If it cost Sony $0 to make the PS3 maybe... but that's not the case.

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Keep in mind that they cost $300 here in the States. The fat one was even worse as they lost about $100 on each console.

Oh boy, that's the cost of the components to the public.

Don't try pull that one, i'm not that silly. Since sony needed 70Million+ of these, i'm pretty sure they get a "bulk wholesale discount" for that amount.

 

[shepzki]

I was just saying to my brother yesterday that it would be great if Wipeout HD was one of the free games, and now it is. I don't know anything about the other games, off to Youtube I go. 👍

 

[sk0pe]

So once this month of PSN+ is over, do we get to keep plaing the games we have chosen to download?

Nope anything downloaded via PSN+ (free/cheap games) can only be accessed whilst you have an active subscrption, that's why i don't like it.

The 2 games from the list of 5 i think you will keep though.

 

[Darren.]

Since i've got both, here are my choices.

PS3,
LBP
Wipeout HD

PSP
LBP PSP
Modnation PSP.

Wise choices.

 

[mmpotroast]

I'm dissatisfied, but not entirely. I like the idea of having Little Big Planet and inFAMOUS. I fully understand Sony only offering Sony developed games. Those expecting other games are really delusional. What I don't like is that three of these games are PS Store games only. I also don't like the scam of the other "freebies." A free month of PS+ is about as blunt of an attempt to get consumers to buy something as it gets. It's like one of those AOL disks everyone would get in the mail all the time back in the 90's.

Personally, I think the best thing they could have done was to offer original titles of games that have either just been released, or will be released this year. By that I mean, Killzone 1/2, SOCOM, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Clank, etc. These games are predecessors of games that have either recently been released or will be released this year. It would serve as a much better form of advertising and would entice consumers to buy the newest of these titles.

I'll definitely be going with Little Big Planet, but am up in the air about the second choice. I'll probably choose inFAMOUS, but I would prefer Ratchet and Clank. It stinks that it is only being offered in the European markets.

 

[Northstar]

Oh boy, that's the cost of the components to the public.

Don't try pull that one, i'm not that silly. Since sony needed 70Million+ of these, i'm pretty sure they get a "bulk wholesale discount" for that amount.

1) Any proof those aren't the prices they paid? (Keep in mind that chart is from 2009 when the Slim was announced, prices have come down since, even still I can't find a Toshiba 120GB for 38.00, there is one for $43, but that's on sale at Newegg and originally $50, not to mention Blu Ray drives just recently went down to that price on the chart and that's for desktop size drives)

2)Fairly certain their sales are nowhere near 70million PS3's(It's more like 50 million).

3) Even if they did get a bulk cost(which is usually at most 5%) your numbers are still way off as it doesn't take into account production and development costs.

 

[Sharky.]

2)Fairly certain their sales are nowhere near 70million PS3's.

Estimated 50 million.

 

[Darren.]

Whats inFAMOUS like? Is it good?

 

[Northstar]

Whats inFAMOUS like? Is it good?

It's kind of like a cross between GTA and a superhero game. At least that is the impression I got from the demo.

 

[Darren.]

It's kind of like a cross between GTA and a superhero game. At least that is the impression I got from the demo.

Thats for me then!

 

[Terronium-12]

Yes i am paying for it regardless PSN+ or not, included in the advertised price was the PSN feature for free. So as part of the original ticket price, that included the PSN for free.

WUT? You're paying for something that's free, but it has an advertised price of 'free'?

I don't...I don't even.

Instead of getting the system cheaper like the Xbox 360 i got raped at the time of purchase, rather than whilst playing like 360 owners.

What are you even trying to prove here? You do realize LIVE Silver (if that's even what you're talking about) is extremely rudimentary in base functionality, and doesn't even include multiplayer? In a nutshell, Silver simply allows you to get online and really not much else.

Either way i paid for PSN.

How do you pay for something that doesn't have any type of incurring fee?

And to answer your question, they are related because that is the compensation offered by the company who took away my service i paid for , for 25+ days.

One, it's Sony's service. Not yours.

Two, Sony didn't take PSN away from you.

Three, you're not paying for PSN. I've said that like, what, seven times now?

 

[arora]

I have no interest in any of the freebees offered by Sony. I don't play that many games on the ps3 and can't think of any title I'd like to own at this time(0f the 5 or of the total available). I don't use the psn store so I don't care about psn+ in any way. If I was actually afraid of the security breach I would probably use the 1 year credit protection but, a) I'm not and b) it's the same as the one month psn+. Those companies get their claws in you and it's hard as hell to cancel them, all the while they keep billing you(I had one actually put a judgement on me trying to ruin the credit they claimed to be protecting LOL)

What is most important to me and also what I'm a bit surprised no one else seems to care about is; why did they take the psn down exactly, and what have they done about the threat. I think the mandatory password change is a joke, is that how they further secured the network? Even funnier is how much trouble it is causing, fail. All I've seen is an also mandatory firmware update that I can only think is to further Sony's cat and mouse game with jailbrakers and rebug using punks. IMO those problems are much more indangering Sony's profits then my security on their network.

I wonder if the truth of all this will ever come out.

 

[ilwilton]

Ahhh everyone needs ta chill

Yeah, this seems like a way to keep us happy thinking we are getting two 'free' games.

Then make us pay for a service to use the 'free' content.

I'd rather keep my bandwidth and keep playing games I own.

Damn sony, way to go !

 

[sk0pe]

Two, Sony didn't take PSN away from you.
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They said themselves they turned the PSN off . Not my fault they didn't have adequate secuirty to stop people downloading the whole psn store contents for free.

Three, you're not paying for PSN. I've said that like, what, seven times now?

Your mindset is it has to have a recurring monthly/annual fee to say i'm paying for it?
The service is included in the initial $799 !!!

You have told me seven times because seven times you have said the same incorrect thing lol.
The 360 comparison was to show you that you are paying for the PSN, the PS3 has higher upfront costs than the 360 for many reasons,
No recurring charge for online play being one of them.

Justin - 1) Any proof those aren't the prices they paid?

Any proof they are the prices they paid?
My proof is the known fact that when you order bulk you get it cheaper, this isn't grocery store bulk either, this is 50million items bulk...

Arora - I also don't like the scam of the other "freebies." A free month of PS+ is about as blunt of an attempt to get consumers to buy something as it gets.

This.

I'd rather keep my bandwidth and keep playing games I own

Haha yeah bandwidth is priceless in this country.

Dinner time anyway, you won't have to hear my whine for a while.

 

[arora]

Arora - I also don't like the scam of the other "freebies." A free month of PS+ is about as blunt of an attempt to get consumers to buy something as it gets.

I didn't say that exactly, but I can't argue it either.

Oops, almost forgot I was gonna say something else about paying for psn. I'm not going to argue that point again as I think we had a 3 page debate on it already but....

If there was no psn how many people would continue buying ps3 games or even ps3's for that mater? Sure they took away other o.s. after the fact, remains to be seen how smart that was, but taking away psn or charging for it now also after the fact? Yeah right.

 

[sk0pe]

Arora - I also don't like the scam of the other "freebies." A free month of PS+ is about as blunt of an attempt to get consumers to buy something as it gets.

I didn't say that exactly, but I can't argue it either.

I left the positive things you said out merely for ease of reading and length of post . Sorry if i misquoted/represented your view in any way

 

[Terronium-12]

Your mindset is it has to have a recurring monthly/annual fee to say i'm paying for it?
The service is included in the initial $799 !!!

You have told me seven times because seven times you have said the same incorrect thing lol.
The 360 comparison was to show you that you are paying for the PSN, the PS3 has higher upfront costs than the 360 for many reasons,
No recurring charge for online play being one of them.

Since you seem to be under the impression that PSN service is some kind of a surcharge within the actual price of a PS3, explain how one is able to make a PSN account online via any web browser. Are you paying for it there too?

My point? Prove it or shut up.