Free Speech

  • Thread starter A2K78
  • 1,177 comments
  • 79,115 views
Just keeping this here for the next time some stupid mother****er says the state should be able to decide what's fact and suggests the state penalize those who talk about things the state hasn't decided are fact.



I love my country because it isn't Russia.
 
House lawmakers could soon consider whether prosecutors could criminally charge librarians for allowing minors to check out sexually explicit materials.

Giving explicit material to kids has been a crime in Idaho since at least 1972, but public libraries, including those at colleges and universities, are exempted from that law.

Rep. Gayann DeMordaunt (R-Eagle) wants to cut that exemption, meaning librarians could face up to a year in prison and a $1,000 fine any time they lend explicit materials to someone under 18.

“The increasingly frequent exposure of our children to obscene and pornographic materials in places that I as a parent assume are safe and free from these kinds of harmful materials is downright alarming,” DeMordaunt said.

Kara Claridge, a mother from Coeur d’Alene, agrees. Last summer, Claridge said her daughter found a library book about a same-sex relationship between a prince and a knight.

“It escalates quickly to ‘Auntie Uncle: [Drag Queen Hero],’ middle-grade queer [books] and ‘Lawn Boy,’” she said during a House committee hearing Thursday.

Critics have blasted “Lawn Boy,” a semi-autobiographical book by Jonathan Evison, over claims it contains scenes of pedophilia.

As the book was pulled from – then subsequently returned to – shelves of Fairfax County Public Schools last year, Evison told the Washington Post the scene at issue is an adult man recounting a sexual encounter with a classmate while he was a fourth-grader.

“My daughter’s innocence was violated, but what happens when kids start acting on these graphic behaviors put forth in these books,” Claridge asked.

Another parent said she had filed a formal complaint against the West Ada School District over the book “Gender Queer: A Memoir.”

“The school does not need to teach our children how to do oral sex,” she said. “That’s my job.”

But Erin Kennedy, a librarian in Boise, said excerpts from books could be taken out of context. Kennedy used a Bible quote from the Book of Ezekiel to make her point.

“There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like those of horses, so you longed for the lewdness of your youth when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled,” she read.

Opponents said the law is vague and open to interpretation. The statute outlaws anyone from making available “any other material harmful to minors” on top of pornography, nude art or books that include descriptions of sexual excitement.

The push and pull over which books should be available to children has a deep history in the United States. The American Library Association’s list of books that have been banned or burned over the years include classics like “Of Mice and Men,” “1984,” and “To Kill a Mockingbird.”

Most recently, a Tennessee school district banned the graphic novel “Maus,” which depicts the Holocaust, over its use of eight curse words and a depiction of a nude woman.

Lawmakers on the committee voted to recommend its approval Thursday on a party line vote. It now goes to the full House for consideration.
"Harmful."

Distributor liability be damned (it is House Bill 666, after all), the burden will be placed on individual actors to determine what is harmful and is likely to result in an overabundance of caution due to the chilling nature of the proposed liability.

The article states that the bill left committee (specifically the State Affairs Committee, Idaho House of Representatives) on a party-line vote, but what it doesn't say is that seated on said committee are 12 Republicans and 2 Democrats. It moves on to the full House where Republicans have a 58-12 majority.

Here's the bill text:
Screenshot-20220304-122916-Drive.jpg
Rat ****ers.
 
I wonder if they plan on having the Bible on their harmful list?
 
Last edited:
I wonder if they plan on having the Bible on their harmful list?
AAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

No.

See, to their feeble minds, the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution (the only part of the Bill of Rights they're likely to recognize before the Second Amendment) means that public institutions must have on hand texts that affirm their specific religious delusions. Obviously any texts that affirm any other religious delusions are problematic and are thus unprotected by the Free Exercise Clause, and of course they're unlikely to recognize the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which prohibits the establishment of [any, or any particular] religion in public institutions.

I should add that while "harmful" materials may have been highlighted as part of their grievance, there's unlikely to be an actual list. A list effectively limits invocation of "harm" by providing clear definitions and this sort of thing needs to remain as subjective as possible to have the greatest chilling effect.

What amazes me is they haven't gone the civil enforcement route here even as the state is literally copying Texas abortion law that weaponizes civil litigation, with the minor concession made to subject only practicioners to said litigation.
 
One-party rule? What is he talking about? Also, you don't reign things in. Reign means a period of ruling. You rein them.
Thanks for the grammatical input. 👍🏻

I generally don’t come around here but when I do it’s nice to learn something new.

As an English teacher these are things that I really should know…but don’t.
 
Just keeping this here for the next time some stupid mother****er says the state should be able to decide what's fact and suggests the state penalize those who talk about things the state hasn't decided are fact.



I love my country because it isn't Russia.

 


The bill, SB393, passed on a party-line vote, 33 to 21.

Political speech is most robustly protected in First Amendment jurisprudence and it's most robustly protected against action based on viewpoint. In highlighting viewpoint, the Georgia legislature is itself engaging in viewpoint discrimination.

Why do Republicans hate free speech?
 
Last edited:


DirecTV gets to engage in viewpoint discrimination. Ken Paxton gets to be a little bitch but, as a state actor, doesn't get to compel private actors like DirecTV to carry content.

These worthless mother****ers don't care about free speech. They only care about speech they like.
 
Republicans: "The Supreme Court ruled in Citizens United that speech by corporations, as associations of individuals, is protected by the First Amendment just as it is for individuals."

Also Republicans: "Wait. Not like that."

 
This is unbelievably ****ing stupid and yet entirely expected.

Ridiculous, unhinged, anti-internet legislation is a bipartisan affair. The latest such examples is California’s new (awkwardly named) Social Media Platform Duty to Children Act. As you can likely tell from the name, this is yet another moral panic “think of the children!” bill. It argues that social media is addictive and that we need to “hold companies responsible” for that so-called addiction. It kicks off by quoting some research — but cherry picking which research and taking some of the findings out of context — to insist that social media is unquestionably bad for kids.

The reality is that this is very much in dispute. What does seem clear is for some kids, social media impacts them negatively, while for some kids, it impacts them positively. Indeed, a huge comprehensive study recently found that there was no evidence to support the idea that social media made kids unhappy. In fact, a pretty thorough “study of studies” found that the claim that social media leads to depression and anxiety is lacking any evidentiary support.

That’s not to say that some kids get sucked in to social media disputes or otherwise get too wrapped up in social media, but the idea that there’s some massive systemic problem that is wiping out kids left and right and needs legislation right now is not actually supported by the data.

It’s kind of like… almost anything that involves kids. Young adult fiction. School dances. The difficulties of being a teenager. All of those things can lead to depression and anxiety. It’s called being a teenager. But all of those things — including social media — can also lead to more and better social connections for many kids as well. Indeed, while the bill itself cites some of the data released by Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen, it’s important to remember that Haugen and the WSJ claimed that internal research on Instagram showed that Facebook “knew” that Instagram made teens feel bad about themselves… but they totally misrepresented the actual study which (1) showed that it was a very small sample size, and (2) that with US kids a much larger percentage said that Instagram made them feel better about themselves:

A2rQzf6.png


So, why, again, is this bill starting off with the premise that it’s unquestionable that social media is somehow all bad for kids?

If the bill were to conduct a more thorough study on this issue, that might be useful! If the bill were to explore suggestions for how to help the (apparently very small) percentage of teens who feel bad because of social media, that might be good.

But that’s not what this bill does. It assumes — falsely and against all evidence (even the evidence the bill itself cites) — that social media is inherently addictive and bad for kids.

Anyway, the bill says that social media sites will have “a duty not to addict child users.” I mean, what the **** does that even mean? My kids play Wordle every day. Does the NY Times have a duty to get my kid to stop playing Wordle? The definition of “addiction” in the bill is incredibly, ridiculously, unworkably broad:
“Addiction” means use of one or more social media platforms that does both of the following:

(A)Indicates preoccupation or obsession with, or withdrawal or difficulty to cease or reduce use of, a social media platform despite the user’s desire to cease or reduce that use.

(B) Causes or contributes to physical, mental, emotional, developmental, or material harms to the user.
This is going to lead to so many frivolous lawsuits when parents of teenagers get upset that their kids don’t want to talk to them any more, insisting that it must be social media’s fault. “My kid likes watching TikTok videos more than talking to her uncool parents, so let’s sue!”

And, yes, the bill’s enforcement mechanism is that the parents of children can sue the website seeking $25,000 per violation, as well as “actual damages” (which are unlikely to be findable in the vast majority of cases), and “punitive damages.” Oh, and also get their legal fees paid for by the company.

Think of just how much frivolous litigation this is going to bring. You’ve basically handed every parent in California a high-likelihood payout lottery ticket to try to force every major social media company to hand over thousands of dollars.

So, among other things, it seems pretty likely that much of this bill, if not all of it, would be preempted by Section 230, but the authors of the bill — Republican Jordan Cunningham and Democrat Buffy Wicks — put in a random line to pretend otherwise, saying that “this section shall not be construed to impose liability for a social media platform for content that is generated by a users of the service…”

Which, of course, is nonsensical. If there’s anything that “addicts” people to social media, it’s the content which is provided by users of the service.

The whole thing is a morally repugnant attempt at a moral panic “for the children” that shows absolutely no recognition that sometimes teenagers are unhappy just because, and we don’t need to blame it on anything other than them being a teen. Forcing social media companies to shell out money isn’t going to make kids happy. Though, I guess it will make some parents happy.

Please, California, don’t keep electing politicians who fall for moral panics.
 


Though the proposed penalties are far less aggressive, this is identical to South Carolina's HB 4848 in that it's over inquiry alone, to say nothing of refusing to provide services for those who are either unvaccinated or decline to respond to inquiry.

These mother****ers are absolute garbage.
 
Last edited:
Just a little something, i subscribed to n4g and made a couple of comments i think lol. Can't remember really but it was not extreme for sure, or against the site or other posters so much.

Except i commented on downvotes on a comment by another poster that was just wishing a bethesda game, starfield i think, would make it to ps5.

So i posted that the downvotes were silly childish.
I tried log in now and says banned from site wow, no explanation or warning, ok..
 
Last edited:
🔥



Just a little something, i subscribed to n4g and made a couple of comments i think lol. Can't remember really but it was not extreme for sure, or against the site or other posters so much.

Except i commented on downvotes on a comment by another poster that was just wishing a bethesda game, starfield i think, would make it to ps5.

So i posted that the downvotes were silly childish.
I tried log in now and says banned from site wow, no explanation or warning, ok..
You don't have a right to post on N4G. You have a privilege to post on N4G...until you don't. N4G, as a private actor, has a right to revoke your posting privileges. The revocation of your posting privilege may or may not have been excessive given the circumstances, but your right to exercise speech freely has not been violated in either case.

N4G provides a service entirely at its discretion and has no obligation to provide it to any and all who wish to make use of it. N4G also doesn't have any obligation to exercise its discretion in a manner that can be reasonably said to be consistent, nor does it have any obligation to advise against behavior for which it's likely to exercise its discretion or provide any kind of explanation or justification for having done so.

This probably doesn't seem fair, but it is.

N4G may have a market obligation to not exercise its discretion in this manner excessively and to the point that the loss of traffic to other services renders its own service unsustainable.
 
You don't have a right to post on N4G. You have a privilege to post on N4G...until you don't. N4G, as a private actor, has a right to revoke your posting privileges. The revocation of your posting privilege may or may not have been excessive given the circumstances, but your right to exercise speech freely has not been violated in either case.

N4G provides a service entirely at its discretion and has no obligation to provide it to any and all who wish to make use of it. N4G also doesn't have any obligation to exercise its discretion in a manner that can be reasonably said to be consistent, nor does it have any obligation to advise against behavior for which it's likely to exercise its discretion or provide any kind of explanation or justification for having done so.

This probably doesn't seem fair, but it is.

N4G may have a market obligation to not exercise its discretion in this manner excessively and to the point that the loss of traffic to other services renders its own service unsustainable.
...because N4G is not the government.

(felt it needed to be spelled out painstakingly)
 
Last edited:
...because N4G is not the government.

(felt it needed to be spelled out painstakingly)
Thanks. I thought I got "state actor" in there to contrast "private actor," but apparently I did not.
 


This is Rep. Jim Banks, one of the two rat ****ers whose appointment to the January 6th Select Committee by Joseph...dammit...Kevin McCarthy that Nancy Pelosi rejected due to their alignment with Trump and the clear conflict of interest there (McCarthy chose five House Republicans, three of whom Pelosi accepted without raising issue, and the other rat ****er was Gym Jim Jordan), a state actor, explicitly stating that he doesn't approve of political speech (speech that is most robustly protected in constitutional jurisprudence) by a private actor (Disney) and saying that he's going to penalize the private actor for its protected political speech due to its viewpoint rather than because it can be reasonably said to be harmful.

Rep. Jim Banks says what Disney has said is an attack on American laws. Disney has been critical of these laws. Criticism is not an attack. The laws of which Disney has been critical aren't American laws. They're Republican laws passed by partisan votes in state legislatures where Republicans have majority control. Republican laws aren't American laws. It's a stretch to even consider Republican legislators American seeing as they're hate****ing the principles on which this nation was founded--and the United States Constitution itself--with the laws they've been pushing through as of late.

Rep. Jim Banks is absolute ****ing garbage.

Edit: I've mentioned unconstitutional conditions doctrine before.
The unconstitutional conditions doctrine arises from the Constitution’s prohibition against penalizing an individual for the exercise of a constitutional right. The doctrine holds that the government may not condition the availability of a government benefit on an individual’s agreement to forego the exercise of such a right.
 
Last edited:
Last edited:
More Disney stuff.



I know. Daily Mail. I haven't read the article beyond discerning that it refers to Florida Republicans meeting to discuss the repeal of the Reedy Creek Improvement Act that, to my understanding, enables Disney World to function in a manner not significally unlike that of an unincorporated municipality in terms of self-governance. The Act itself is kind of absurd and maybe repeal isn't such a bad idea (sort of like copyright protection reform), but that it comes on the heels of Disney's criticisms of Republican laws and in the midst of other threats to the company for its speech sure seems more than coincidental and is cause for concern.

What's weird (okay, not really all that weird if you've actually been paying attention) is the turn against Disney. I'm old enough to remember the galaxy brain theme park carve-out in Florida's facially unconstitutional social media free speech law (which is to say the law that violates the free speech rights of social network providers, rather than the law claimed by its proponents to protect the free speech rights of social media users) that has since been neutered by federal court due to its unconstitutionality.
 
Maybe he's standing up for his fellow antivaxxer who was thrown out of the main Covid thread for repeatedly posting nonsense, and equates that to censorship. Otherwise by incessantly complaining to all and sundry that he has no voice here simply because nobody agrees with his loony stance, the only one breaking irony meters around here is himself.
Thanks for pooing my post @Skython, I still think it's true though.
 
Back