Frequent B-spec Grinders Club 2

firestartar · Jun 10, 2011

Ok, just booted them off my list too. Was gonna wait till monday..but clearly there is no point having leechers. Thanks you all for the heads-up, especially OCmike123. 👍

LoganG79 · Jun 10, 2011

Show me the money

frason · Jun 10, 2011

I've done some checks on the ones I have on my list (will add the ones missing).
Of course the data is based on gran-turismo.com, if it's not updating correctly the data might be wrong.

For people not racing for the last 2 days or more I mark them with amber.
It's called Frequent B-spec Grinders Club for a reason.

damienfoto = green
Darth_Fromage = green
gonzolagonda = green
HOODFIELD = green
LoganG79 = green
Martix2k10 = green
MortenMT = green
N0T_1N_THe_FaCE_= green
OCMike123 = green
one_chipotle = green
Qoncip = green
WakeStriker = green
WhiteRuin = green

Will do these checks frequently and post here in the thread.

DiviousOne · Jun 10, 2011

Is there going to be a back up list? For those that missed registration? I wasn't aware of this club til registration was closed, sucks I missed it.

Whiteruin · Jun 10, 2011

Zdriver
Hey guys,

Going through my logs last night to make sure I'm reciprocating properly and noticed some things.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to remove a couple of you from my list due to inactivity.

aj071082 - logs show you haven't hosted a race since March
imma44and1 - you don't appear to have ever hosted a race (i.e. I can't tell from your log - it's empty)

I'm fine with helping out friends who are not using the grinder or even active at all with their accounts (yonis being one), but if you're on this list, it should be because you participate, right?

No hard feelings guys.

Thanks,
OCMike123

Those two are off my list as well.

Guys ...You joined this club, to grind other drivers, in this club.
I see a lot of logs with more non-members than members.
That is, AFAIK, not the point of this club.
We are supposed to grant members a racingseat, before we give them to people not in the club.

And let me just say, that I don't mind grinding members, who actually grind their mates more than the members.
But then ...Why join a club? Just click the first post in this forum, and add everyone there.

Derrict · Jun 10, 2011

Zdriver
Dude, those are some great pics! Did you take them? If so, very well done.

Yes. I'm a freelance photographer on the side, mostly in the automotive field but I've done a few events for Playboy

If you're into European tuner vehicles, my photo was on the cover of Import Tuner for the May 2011 issue (widebody Corrado with an S4 engine and a VR6 Golf GTI).

LoganG79 · Jun 10, 2011

Just put some new race cars on line if any wants to try before u buy lol

Skyle · Jun 10, 2011

I noticed psi-opz also as a good driver, so he is now in the list.
aj...
imma...
are on the Delete List --> check first page.

Tbear · Jun 10, 2011

Skyle
I noticed psi-opz also as a good driver, so he is now in the list.
aj...
imma...
are on the Delete List --> check first page.

Yay, thanks for adding me. Everyone in club please add me to your friends list if you haven't already done so.👍 PSN ID: Psi-opz
P.S. : All active club members will go to my "always use" list.

PSS: I have a modest 630 car garage and I'm happy to share any auto with club members. Just let me know what car you want to borrow and I will put it online.

Jacob · Jun 10, 2011

I just want to ask, about the whole "leave-one-driver-open", I'm following this rule and not using any drivers that would render the owner unable to race, but I have my PS3 on from about 14-17 GMT+1 to 22-00 GMT+1.
During this time, most that have added me are online and have just one driver remaining. This isn't meant to come off as an excuse, but when I check my log and see that you've been racing my "bobs" (thanks Morten, Qoncip, yeah, everyone), I want to return the favor. But what I'm trying to say is that when I try to "grind" and check the on-going races, most of you aren't in them. I don't know what to do, I'll keep racing those available but I can't really change the times I'm online. :guilty:

Mr_ANDERSON · Jun 10, 2011

First of all guys, I would just like to thank everyone in the club that has been grinding my bobs :cheers:

Thanks to Imported-Riceboy for the silver chrome paint. 👍

Now the bad news

. Due to a demanding private life, I will be unable to grind as frequent as I would like :banghead:

. so I will have to remove myself from the club.

Thanks again to everyone involved, and I hope that when the time comes, the door will still be open upon my return

Also, please don't be offended if I delete you from my friends list, just don't want you guys to think I'm freelancing. I will commence removing friends 12hrs from this time stamp :cheers:

(In the middle of a 24hr B-Spec race)

All the best.

Mig

Skyle · Jun 10, 2011

frason
I've done some checks on the ones I have on my list (will add the ones missing).
Of course the data is based on gran-turismo.com, if it's not updating correctly the data might be wrong.

For people not racing for the last 2 days or more I mark them with amber.
It's called Frequent B-spec Grinders Club for a reason.

damienfoto = green
Darth_Fromage = green
gonzolagonda = green
HOODFIELD = green
LoganG79 = green
Martix2k10 = green
MortenMT = green
N0T_1N_THe_FaCE_= green
OCMike123 = green
one_chipotle = green
Qoncip = green
WakeStriker = green
WhiteRuin = green

Will do these checks frequently and post here in the thread.

Thanks for this, I will be check tomorrow or the day after, too.

Okay Mignun if you will be able to grind again just say it, and you can back on the list.

gonzolagonda · Jun 10, 2011

FishyJuice
I just want to ask, about the whole "leave-one-driver-open", I'm following this rule and not using any drivers that would render the owner unable to race, but I have my PS3 on from about 14-17 GMT+1 to 22-00 GMT+1.
During this time, most that have added me are online and have just one driver remaining. This isn't meant to come off as an excuse, but when I check my log and see that you've been racing my "bobs" (thanks Morten, Qoncip, yeah, everyone), I want to return the favor. But what I'm trying to say is that when I try to "grind" and check the on-going races, most of you aren't in them. I don't know what to do, I'll keep racing those available but I can't really change the times I'm online.

I'm sure if you just set the widget to reciprocate it'll catch up and race some of us eventually, don't worry unduly!

HOODFIELD · Jun 10, 2011

FishyJuice
I just want to ask, about the whole "leave-one-driver-open", I'm following this rule and not using any drivers that would render the owner unable to race, but I have my PS3 on from about 14-17 GMT+1 to 22-00 GMT+1.
During this time, most that have added me are online and have just one driver remaining. This isn't meant to come off as an excuse, but when I check my log and see that you've been racing my "bobs" (thanks Morten, Qoncip, yeah, everyone), I want to return the favor. But what I'm trying to say is that when I try to "grind" and check the on-going races, most of you aren't in them. I don't know what to do, I'll keep racing those available but I can't really change the times I'm online.

I had this problem when I only had about half the list added.
As long as we grind the list everything balances out. I went from a list of 4-5 grinders to now 100% grinders. The widget returns "Refuse to reserve XXXXX driver even though it said it was free" like every single race now, sort of like were fighting each other to host the race. This does not happen on a normal friends list. At least not in my case.

Once I added everyone the grid started to fill a lot smoother. But I do notice how some people that you want to grind are always busy. Well now thats a good thing.

Zdriver · Jun 10, 2011

Whiteruin
Those two are off my list as well.

Guys ...You joined this club, to grind other drivers, in this club.
I see a lot of logs with more non-members than members.
That is, AFAIK, not the point of this club.
We are supposed to grant members a racingseat, before we give them to people not in the club.

And let me just say, that I don't mind grinding members, who actually grind their mates more than the members.
But then ...Why join a club? Just click the first post in this forum, and add everyone there.

Hey Whiteruin, I've been struggling a bit with this too as I have a number of friends from before the club (and who are not members of the club) that still include me in races. I mostly leave the selection up to the reciprocate feature in the widget because there aren't a lot of times where I can manually setup races. And there are many times where I cannot get club members in races (not sure why but I'm including a capture of my most recent log to illustrate).

Code:

 Reserving a driver at random.  Name: U.Saiz  Class: 40  Exp.: 713430  Credits: 643,590
  N0T_1N_THe_FaCE_ raced you 16 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  segan5 raced you 4 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  one_chipotle raced you 4 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: N0T_1N_THe_FaCE_  Name: U.Harding
  elngadget raced you 4 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: segan5  Name: C.Sears
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: one_chipotle  Name: W.Hertz
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: one_chipotle  Name: G.Chevalier
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: one_chipotle  Name: T.Leoni
  Server refused to reserve N0T_1N_THe_FaCE_'s driver even though it said it was free.
  HOODFIELD raced you 4 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  Server refused to reserve segan5's driver even though it said it was free.
  MortenMT raced you 3 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  Gabkicks raced you 3 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: elngadget  Name: D.Wise
  Server refused to reserve one_chipotle's driver even though it said it was free.
  Xochi_Rhodoix raced you 2 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  MattZR1_81 raced you 2 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: MortenMT  Name: O.Duke
  Server refused to reserve one_chipotle's driver even though it said it was free.
  geordie139 raced you 1 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  Server refused to reserve one_chipotle's driver even though it said it was free.
  WhiteRuin raced you 1 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  Server refused to reserve elngadget's driver even though it said it was free.
  Westey90 raced you 1 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: Gabkicks  Name: L.Vettel
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: Gabkicks  Name: Y.Akiyama
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: Xochi_Rhodoix  Name: R.Bond
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: MattZR1_81  Name: F.Miller
  Server refused to reserve MortenMT's driver even though it said it was free.
  Server refused to reserve Xochi_Rhodoix's driver even though it said it was free.
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: geordie139  Name: J.Hendrix
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: geordie139  Name: D.Sanchez
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: geordie139  Name: M.Weber
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: WhiteRuin  Name: U.Frankfurter
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: WakeStriker  Name: B.Dixon
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: WakeStriker  Name: B.Sala
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: WakeStriker  Name: B.De Santis
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: Westey90  Name: L.Mckay
  Server refused to reserve geordie139's driver even though it said it was free.
  Server refused to reserve WhiteRuin's driver even though it said it was free.
  Server refused to reserve WakeStriker's driver even though it said it was free.
  Server refused to reserve Westey90's driver even though it said it was free.
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: DiviousOne  Name: B.Horn
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: gonzolagonda  Name: T.Stein
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: gonzolagonda  Name: V.Maxwell
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: gonzolagonda  Name: S.Potts
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: damienfoto  Name: T.Montoya
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: damienfoto  Name: T.Katayama
  Server refused to reserve damienfoto's driver even though it said it was free.
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: RLR_KartRacer32  Name: A.Sokolov
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: muz_55  Name: Y.Lim
  Server refused to reserve damienfoto's driver even though it said it was free.
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: GandhisEvilTwin  Name: T.Riddle
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: JAG_-DA-_BEAST  Name: M.De Marco
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: GTP_Mignun  Name: S.Anderson
  Server refused to reserve GandhisEvilTwin's driver even though it said it was free.
06/10/11 07:19:43.597: Race has started.

As you can see, Westey is the last reciprocated driver and then the widget goes into random selection mode - which will pick up club members and non-club members alike.

The Always Use method doesn't seem to work very well for me as it looks like it selects them in order (filling up races from drivers at the top of that list rather than by reciprocating). Shuffling people around would be too time-consuming for me. Although, every once in awhile, I'll put friends here for a night in an attempt to pay them back for recent runs that I don't appear to have reciprocated.

So as it stands now, I have everyone on Reciprocate, except for one friend that doesn't race much on Always Use (and limited by leaving 2 drivers free so as not to take up more than 4 slots). If there is a better way to prioritize and reciprocate fairly to both members and non-members, I haven't found it yet.

Yonis mentioned that he is working on some logic that will keep track of how much you payback your friends, which might help out in that respect.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
OCMike123

Zdriver · Jun 10, 2011

HOODFIELD
I had this problem when I only had about half the list added.
As long as we grind the list everything balances out. I went from a list of 4-5 grinders to now 100% grinders. The widget returns "Refuse to reserve XXXXX driver even though it said it was free" like every single race now, sort of like were fighting each other to host the race. This does not happen on a normal friends list. At least not in my case.

Once I added everyone the grid started to fill a lot smoother. But I do notice how some people that you want to grind are always busy. Well now thats a good thing.

Darnit...you just ninjaed me.

And said what I was trying to say much more succinctly.

Thanks,
OCMike123

PS. You are one of those guys I'm not able to seemingly race lately...good for you.

HOODFIELD · Jun 10, 2011

Zdriver
Darnit...you just ninjaed me. And said what I was trying to say much more succinctly.

Thanks,
OCMike123

PS. You are one of those guys I'm not able to seemingly race lately...good for you.

It's all good man. If everyone shares the mentality "Hey, I don't want to get myself called out on the message board" this club works.

I have made so much money this past week BTW... I recognized lots of your guys names on random logs for a long time now. It's a dream come true to have you all on mine.

Whiteruin · Jun 10, 2011

Zdriver

Hey Whiteruin, I've been struggling a bit with this too as I have a number of friends from before the club (and who are not members of the club) that still include me in races. I mostly leave the selection up to the reciprocate feature in the widget because there aren't a lot of times where I can manually setup races. And there are many times where I cannot get club members in races (not sure why but I'm including a capture of my most recent log to illustrate).

Code:

 Reserving a driver at random.  Name: U.Saiz  Class: 40  Exp.: 713430  Credits: 643,590
  N0T_1N_THe_FaCE_ raced you 16 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  segan5 raced you 4 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  one_chipotle raced you 4 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: N0T_1N_THe_FaCE_  Name: U.Harding
  elngadget raced you 4 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: segan5  Name: C.Sears
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: one_chipotle  Name: W.Hertz
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: one_chipotle  Name: G.Chevalier
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: one_chipotle  Name: T.Leoni
  Server refused to reserve N0T_1N_THe_FaCE_'s driver even though it said it was free.
  HOODFIELD raced you 4 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  Server refused to reserve segan5's driver even though it said it was free.
  MortenMT raced you 3 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  Gabkicks raced you 3 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: elngadget  Name: D.Wise
  Server refused to reserve one_chipotle's driver even though it said it was free.
  Xochi_Rhodoix raced you 2 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  MattZR1_81 raced you 2 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: MortenMT  Name: O.Duke
  Server refused to reserve one_chipotle's driver even though it said it was free.
  geordie139 raced you 1 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  Server refused to reserve one_chipotle's driver even though it said it was free.
  WhiteRuin raced you 1 time(s).  Reciprocating...
  Server refused to reserve elngadget's driver even though it said it was free.
  Westey90 raced you 1 time(s).  Reciprocating...
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: Gabkicks  Name: L.Vettel
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: Gabkicks  Name: Y.Akiyama
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: Xochi_Rhodoix  Name: R.Bond
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: MattZR1_81  Name: F.Miller
  Server refused to reserve MortenMT's driver even though it said it was free.
  Server refused to reserve Xochi_Rhodoix's driver even though it said it was free.
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: geordie139  Name: J.Hendrix
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: geordie139  Name: D.Sanchez
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: geordie139  Name: M.Weber
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: WhiteRuin  Name: U.Frankfurter
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: WakeStriker  Name: B.Dixon
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: WakeStriker  Name: B.Sala
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: WakeStriker  Name: B.De Santis
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: Westey90  Name: L.Mckay
  Server refused to reserve geordie139's driver even though it said it was free.
  Server refused to reserve WhiteRuin's driver even though it said it was free.
  Server refused to reserve WakeStriker's driver even though it said it was free.
  Server refused to reserve Westey90's driver even though it said it was free.
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: DiviousOne  Name: B.Horn
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: gonzolagonda  Name: T.Stein
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: gonzolagonda  Name: V.Maxwell
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: gonzolagonda  Name: S.Potts
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: damienfoto  Name: T.Montoya
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: damienfoto  Name: T.Katayama
  Server refused to reserve damienfoto's driver even though it said it was free.
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: RLR_KartRacer32  Name: A.Sokolov
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: muz_55  Name: Y.Lim
  Server refused to reserve damienfoto's driver even though it said it was free.
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: GandhisEvilTwin  Name: T.Riddle
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: JAG_-DA-_BEAST  Name: M.De Marco
    Reserving a friend's driver.  PSN: GTP_Mignun  Name: S.Anderson
  Server refused to reserve GandhisEvilTwin's driver even though it said it was free.
06/10/11 07:19:43.597: Race has started.

As you can see, Westey is the last reciprocated driver and then the widget goes into random selection mode - which will pick up club members and non-club members alike.

The Always Use method doesn't seem to work very well for me as it looks like it selects them in order (filling up races from drivers at the top of that list rather than by reciprocating). Shuffling people around would be too time-consuming for me. Although, every once in awhile, I'll put friends here for a night in an attempt to pay them back for recent runs that I don't appear to have reciprocated.

So as it stands now, I have everyone on Reciprocate, except for one friend that doesn't race much on Always Use (and limited by leaving 2 drivers free so as not to take up more than 4 slots). If there is a better way to prioritize and reciprocate fairly to both members and non-members, I haven't found it yet.

Yonis mentioned that he is working on some logic that will keep track of how much you payback your friends, which might help out in that respect.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
OCMike123

First off. If any of you see my post as a rant, nag, or me being a complete idiot, then don't! It wasn't meant to be like that at all... Well the idiot part might actually be spot on.

And besides, it's just a game.

I just found it odd with all those logs full of racers, not in the club.
I then noticed, that I sometimes only race against 5-7 of you guys. And the reason was indeed, as HOODFIELD mentioned, because all the Bob's were busy, earning for that next sweet ride.
So to end this wall of text ... It's all good.

MattZR1 · Jun 10, 2011

Question guys, I know I'm not in the club, but hear me out. 👍

Does anyone get the widget to "hang up" for a long while sometimes? I have been looking at mine for about, oh 15 minutes just saying "Starting Race." Any way to remedy this that you guys know of?

HOODFIELD · Jun 10, 2011

MattZR1
Question guys, I know I'm not in the club, but hear me out. 👍

Does anyone get the widget to "hang up" for a long while sometimes? I have been looking at mine for about, oh 15 minutes just saying "Starting Race." Any way to remedy this that you guys know of?

Your co current thread/driver delay settings are slightly off. That is my guess. If its filling up 16 no problem then I would really stress slightly maybe one click up.

MattZR1 · Jun 10, 2011

HOODFIELD
Your co current thread/driver delay settings are slightly off. That is my guess. If its filling up 16 no problem then I would really stress slightly maybe one click up.

Hmm, I will put my concurrent to 2 threads and what do you suggest delay to be at? Currently at 10 sec right now.

gonzolagonda · Jun 10, 2011

MattZR1
Question guys, I know I'm not in the club, but hear me out. 👍

Does anyone get the widget to "hang up" for a long while sometimes? I have been looking at mine for about, oh 15 minutes just saying "Starting Race." Any way to remedy this that you guys know of?

Yes I've noticed this recently, seems to be happening more often since 2.5.1 (or possibly just since my friends list expanded since joining the club!)

Can I just say that MattZR1 is an also excellent remoter and should be on the waiting list for this club (if he wants to be!) 💡

ch1potle · Jun 10, 2011

I too can recommend Matt

Skyle · Jun 10, 2011

gonzolagonda
Yes I've noticed this recently, seems to be happening more often since 2.5.1 (or possibly just since my friends list expanded since joining the club!)

Sometimes it has also to do with the GranTurismo page.. there it is the same.. it just hangs and after the race you can start a new one..

Whiteruin · Jun 10, 2011

ch1potle
I too can recommend Matt

Same here.

MattZR1 · Jun 10, 2011

gonzolagonda
Yes I've noticed this recently, seems to be happening more often since 2.5.1 (or possibly just since my friends list expanded since joining the club!)

Can I just say that MattZR1 is an also excellent remoter and should be on the waiting list for this club (if he wants to be!) 💡

Thanks for throwing me under the bus gonzo, lol. J/K btw, I appreciate the offer, but I can't be held to the high albeit slightly insane standards (haha) that you guys are currently at right now for grinding. I only grind mon-fri when possible, weekends I usually take off. PS3 needs a rest then, lol.

HOODFIELD · Jun 10, 2011

MattZR1
Thanks for throwing me under the bus gonzo, lol. J/K btw, I appreciate the offer, but I can't be held to the high albeit slightly insane standards (haha) that you guys are currently at right now for grinding. I only grind mon-fri, weekends I usually take off. PS3 needs a rest then, lol.

That is more than enough.

I run 2-10 as well. I would hate to go less but you could try 1/5 and nurse it see how it goes. If not 1/10.

That is what I would try I'm not claiming to be an expert on this. I have this feeling like everyone has there own unique experience figuring out how to tweak the grinder. Type of computer, internet connection are all outside variables.

Edit: On the other hand if you have been running 2/10 successfully for quite some time and this is a one time thing I would not go changing anything but blame the reason on this:

Skyle
Sometimes it has also to do with the GranTurismo page.. there it is the same.. it just hangs and after the race you can start a new one..

I used to run 2/5 for months, since I joined here I have to run 2/10. 2/5 had trouble filling the grid. I hope this helps someone.

Skyle · Jun 10, 2011

So I think Matt.. welcome to the club

MattZR1 · Jun 10, 2011

Ok, here is the deal, I'll join the club, you guys twisted my arm lol. I can run Mon-Fri 7-4 when possible since I do all this grinding at my job, LMFAO. Playing GT5 at work=priceless.

BTW, when I add all you, do I just put all of you to recipro or what is your best experience? And also, prior to you all joining, did you just put everyone else on your list not in the club to "Never Use?" I need some guidance, lol.

I may still keep one or two of my friends not in club on list though since they hook me up too.

HOODFIELD · Jun 10, 2011

MattZR1
Ok, here is the deal, I'll join the club, you guys twisted my arm lol. I can run Mon-Fri 7-4 when possible since I do all this grinding at my job, LMFAO. Playing GT5 at work=priceless.

BTW, when I add all you, do I just put all of you to recipro or what is your best experience? And also, prior to you all joining, did you just put everyone else on your list not in the club to "Never Use?" I need some guidance, lol.

I may still keep one or two of my friends not in club on list though since they hook me up too.

Pretty much everything you said is exactly what I did.

Everybody from the club, plus your few personal friends on reciprocate. The rest to Never use. In theory everything should balance itself out. Thats the best any of us can really do. I haven't been using Always Use anymore. I have noticed this list is so busy always use does not matter. The grinder struggles to find free drivers at times if your not racing at the moment you will be picked up soon.

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