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RM Sotheby's has secured the rights to sell off a selection of cars from the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum:


The highlights being the 1965 Le Mans winning '64 Ferrari 250 LM & the '54 Mercedes W196 Streamliner driven by Fangio & Sir Stirling Moss. Auction details are still being put together, but from what I've read, the Mercedes looks to be valued as high as $50-70 million & the Ferrari may bring in $40m+ as well.
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It seems that this car has been unfortunately pulled at the last minute.

Sotheby's has released their official auction photos for the Indianapolis Museum sale. They've added some really long, detailed history of the cars for each listing as well as their estimated values.

1954 Merc. W 196 R Streamliner: Est. $50,000,000+
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1964 Ferrari 250 LM: Est. $25,000,000+
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1966 Ford GT40 Mk II: Est. $8,000,000-$11,000,000
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1957 Chevrolet Corvette SS Project XP-64: Est. $5,000,000-$7,000,000
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1991 Benetton B191 F1: Est. $600,000-$800,000
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1930 Bugatti Type 35B Grand Prix: Est. $1,000,000-$1,800,000
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1965 Spirit of America Sonic 1: Est. $500,000-$1,000,000
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1908 Merc. 17.3L 150Hp 'Brookland': Est. $7,000,000-$9,000,000
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1907 Itala 120Hp Works Racing Car: Est. $2,000,000-$3,000,000
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1911 Laurin & Klement Type S2 Sportswagen: Est. $100,000-$150,000
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1911 Merc. 22/40HP 'Colonial' Double Phaeton: Est. $150,000-$250,000
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Bernie Eccelstone has announced he is selling his $300 million Formula 1 collection through Tom Hartley Jnr. More pics in the link, there's something for everyone who has followed F1.
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hello, i have a complete mazda 10-A engine(not a 10-b) it has 2 wakel, carburator, and is in good condition, i am trying to find a price but i dont have any info, it was used in the mazda cosmos sport form 1967-1972 only 1500 car were made... do you guys have any idea of how mutch it could be worth, i want to sell it...
if i am in the wrong forum i am sorry in advance,its my first time here
 
Another Zonda up for auction in February, this is an all-original Zonda F, #16/25 built to tribute Juan Manuel Fangio. It's currently estimated $10m-$13m, which will be interesting to compare to the Zonda LM that sold for $11m just recently; have so many "unique" 1-offs been crafted that highly original Zondas are now the premium examples people will pay more for? Still a cemented $10 million car now, so I guess it doesn't matter much.
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2 other interesting cars in the same sale. A Bugatti Centodieci ($10.5m-$15.8m) & an Alfa 155 DTM ($525,000-$630,000).
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Joining the Paris sale in February, a chance to own the 2013 Lotus E21, chassis 04. Kimi piloted the car to 2nd in Germany & Hungary, before Grosjean would finish the final 7 races with her finishing with three 3rd place finishes in Korea, Japan, & India, with a 2nd place victory at the US GP helping Lotus secure 4th in the Constructor's Title that year.
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Est. $360,000 - $465,000. Unfortunately, she does not have any running gear, so this will be a rather pricey gallery piece/paperweight.
 
Sotheby's has released their official auction photos for the Indianapolis Museum sale. They've added some really long, detailed history of the cars for each listing as well as their estimated values.

1954 Merc. W 196 R Streamliner: Est. $50,000,000+
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The W196 R crossed the auction line yesterday, finalizing at $54 million. RM reports it's the most expensive Grand Prix car ever auctioned & 2nd most expensive car auctioned after its close family member, the '55 300 SLR 'Uhlenhaut Coupé'.
 
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Jenson Button's Brawn GP F1 car is coming up for auction in May. This is Chassis 001/01 driven by Ruben before joining Jenson's collection. It is reportedly fully intact minus some gearbox internals.
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And another Zonda is up for sale later this month. Chassis #2 of the 3 Tricolores built. I believe the other 2 are currently here in the US, so some curiosity if this one will be purchased by a US buyer. This is a Sealed Bid, so no figures given or possibly shared, but I assume it'll go past $12 million.
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Additionally, the Paris auction just concluded for some of the other cars I shared prior. The Ferrari 250 LM cleared $36.1+ million, & the Alfa 155 DTM did not sell, but is currently asking $500,000. Roman Grosean's Lotus E21 sold for $338,000, the Bugatti Centodieci did not sell, & the white Zonda F looks like it was pulled at some point.
 
I'm not convinced that with all the instability and uncertainty around the globe at the moment that the crazy prices that cars are going for right now make sound investments. I think i'd rather hedge my bets on $36.1m worth of bullion.
 
There's a lot of great cars in that auction. 300ZX IMSA Turbo, a mint condition E39 M5, C43 AMG, 300 AMG Wagon, two AMG Hammers, & a $6,000,000+ Yellowbird.




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Bernie Eccelstone has announced he is selling his $300 million Formula 1 collection through Tom Hartley Jnr. More pics in the link, there's something for everyone who has followed F1.
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The collection has been sold to Red Bull's Mark Mateschitz for a reported value of £500m. Mark & Bernie both commented that there is a plan to eventually build a place & move the cars for public display in the future.
 
10,000 mile '00 Type R on BaT that rocketed up to $100,000 due to a short bid war w/ 7 days still left on it. This car has been preserved to the nines & reportedly has an assortment of well known, very rare aftermarket parts on it. Perhaps @-Fred- or @Danoff can chime in since I believe they have history with ITRs.

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Mugen headers, exhaust system, & valve cover (there was a comment claiming the valve cover is worth $10K+ these days. Tried to research on my own, but most I could find was one being sold for $3,000 back in 2014 & another site claiming a counterfeit still managed $4,000).
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Recaro seats & Momo wheel sourced from a JDM example

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Good mods all around aside from the garbage ARC intake, I'd have gotten the Comptech Icebox instead as it was available as an option in some Acura dealers back in the day (the Mugen stuff could also be ordered from Primo/Verno Honda dealers in Japan). Fun fact for the North American cars, black was only available in the US, the 2000 cars being Flamenco Black Pearl and the 2001 cars being Nighthawk Black Pearl, with either color not available in Canada. Canada however did get a 1999 model year which the US didn't, so a Championship White 1999 ITR (with factory red seats front and back, something even Japan didn't get!) is probably the rarest North American model.

I'm not sure about 10k either for the valve cover, there's one right now on YAJ that's in rough shape for 5k (no bids on it though) that appears to be a legit one (they were made out of magnesium just like the F3000 cars), but the wheels themselves in that condition are probably worth 8-9k easy. That "golden era" Mugen stuff is basically unobtanium nowadays. In fact, it's probably worth more with the Mugen stuff on it than without. Not sure it's worth 100k to my mind given it's done 10k in 25 year and every rubber component will need to be replaced, but the market's crazy with these and I just don't get it, so...

 
Good mods all around aside from the garbage ARC intake, I'd have gotten the Comptech Icebox instead as it was available as an option in some Acura dealers back in the day (the Mugen stuff could also be ordered from Primo/Verno Honda dealers in Japan). Fun fact for the North American cars, black was only available in the US, the 2000 cars being Flamenco Black Pearl and the 2001 cars being Nighthawk Black Pearl, with either color not available in Canada. Canada however did get a 1999 model year which the US didn't, so a Championship White 1999 ITR (with factory red seats front and back, something even Japan didn't get!) is probably the rarest North American model.

I'm not sure about 10k either for the valve cover, there's one right now on YAJ that's in rough shape for 5k (no bids on it though) that appears to be a legit one (they were made out of magnesium just like the F3000 cars), but the wheels themselves in that condition are probably worth 8-9k easy. That "golden era" Mugen stuff is basically unobtanium nowadays. In fact, it's probably worth more with the Mugen stuff on it than without. Not sure it's worth 100k to my mind given it's done 10k in 25 year and every rubber component will need to be replaced, but the market's crazy with these and I just don't get it, so...

Yeah, it is bizarre how these have continued to jump as a few years ago, I linked one for Danoff that ended up at $60,000. According to a link on the listing, the highest price for a ITR on BaT was $112,112 with 7k on the odometer & bone stock. Low mileage S2000s and CRs have jumped, but I haven't seen any rival what ITRs have touched upon. I know there has been a craze for Supras, NSX-Rs, & GT-Rs, but those are the top of the JDM food chain so it's easy to see why they're at where they're at. I can only theorize ITRs have been able to tag along.

I do wonder if it's also because a lot of these are likely long gone since they're prime targets for theft. Larry Chen just bought one dirt cheap in Japan, but is keeping it there so he has something to drive and he's afraid to leave it anywhere in Los Angeles.
 
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Yeah, it is bizarre how these have continued to jump as a few years ago, I linked one for Danoff that ended up at $60,000. According to a link on the listing, the highest price for a ITR on BaT was $112,112 with 7k on the odometer & bone stock. Low mileage S2000s and CRs have jumped, but I haven't seen any rival what ITRs have touched upon. I know there has been a craze for Supras, NSX-Rs, & GT-Rs, but those are the top of the JDM food chain so it's easy to see why they're at where they're at. I can only theorize ITRs have been able to tag along.

I do wonder if it's also because a lot of these are likely long gone since they're prime targets for theft. Larry Chen just bought one dirt cheap in Japan, but is keeping it there so he has something to drive and he's afraid to leave it anywhere in Los Angeles.
That's the reasoning that makes most sense. I can't remember the exact production numbers but they weren't high, definitely under 3000 per year, probably 10-12k total over the years. Whereas Honda sold a few million EGs and everything, I mean EVERYTHING, out of a DC2 fits into an EG like it's meant to be there (because it is, they used the same platform) it's easy to see why so many were stolen and torn apart. They got quite cheap at one point, I picked up my yellow one for 12-13k IIRC, a lot of people who missed out when they were new bought them used and modified them, so I could see how finding a clean, unmolested one could bring up values.

I do wonder about restoration/bringing a modded one back to stock though, because Honda/Acura don't exactly stockpile parts for these cars anymore.
 
That's the reasoning that makes most sense. I can't remember the exact production numbers but they weren't high, definitely under 3000 per year, probably 10-12k total over the years. Whereas Honda sold a few million EGs and everything, I mean EVERYTHING, out of a DC2 fits into an EG like it's meant to be there (because it is, they used the same platform) it's easy to see why so many were stolen and torn apart. They got quite cheap at one point, I picked up my yellow one for 12-13k IIRC, a lot of people who missed out when they were new bought them used and modified them, so I could see how finding a clean, unmolested one could bring up values.

I do wonder about restoration/bringing a modded one back to stock though, because Honda/Acura don't exactly stockpile parts for these cars anymore.
Are you sure you're not in the comments thread on the listing, lol. I saw yet another comment sharing your thoughts regarding how the fact the owner kept & is including the original OEM parts in the sale, also increases the value.
 
Since a lot of the appeal of these are the "vibes" that the car is derived from, I wonder if the old adage of "mods decrease value" actually applies for cars like this when the mods in question are high end period correct ones; nevermind how most of them in this specific case are from Honda's tuning division itself.
 
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Yeah, it is bizarre how these have continued to jump as a few years ago

Well it's an absolutely astonishing car for being FWD. Possibly the single greatest FWD car ever made. Marvel of an engine, marvel of a suspension. They made few, and of those few, as you say many were stolen, but even more, many were molested. I considered an E30 M3 before buying the ITR, and having driven them both around, I'll take the ITR 100%.

They just don't make cars like that anymore, and probably never will. There's a whole range of fantastic 90s hondas. CRX, civic, prelude, accord, S2000 (barely 90s), and the integra. The integra type R captures that vibe in top form.

If you want that 90s honda feel but you want it in its best package... ITR. The NSX is awesome but it's kindof its own thing. It's not a time capsule.
 
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