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Funny things RICErs say (radically immature car enthusiasts)
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ITCC_Andrew
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I'm not actually going to say that the grocery run is more difficult than drag racing. But, drag racing is almost all about the drivers...
No matter how well I drive my Impreza, it'll still only be like a 17 second car... But, in my case... I can't get wheelspin, at all, in my car, so I can just sit full-throttle on drag strip.
Thus, in my particular car, drag racing is easier than the grocery run, which gives me the chance to bug Slash without posting false information.
Anyways, sorry that my joking around kinda got out of hand. Enjoy the laughter you'll get from reading the responses
No matter how well I drive my Impreza, it'll still only be like a 17 second car... But, in my case... I can't get wheelspin, at all, in my car, so I can just sit full-throttle on drag strip.
Thus, in my particular car, drag racing is easier than the grocery run, which gives me the chance to bug Slash without posting false information.
Anyways, sorry that my joking around kinda got out of hand. Enjoy the laughter you'll get from reading the responses
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Not it's not.
Tell me how to set up a proper drag suspension on a 50 year old car, on a $200 budget. Go.
ITCC_Andrew
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4.11 gears, leaf springs and spend the $200 on better tires.
The 50 year old car would probably be faster than my own without those $200. But, I'm with the majority that talent shouldn't be relevant to "he who has the most unlimited budget." Senna made his name by winning with a less than perfect car... Could a drag racer?
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Besides, it is irrelevant from the topic at hand. And, furthermore, this isn't the discussion of how mechanics like you and I build cars.
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ITCC_Andrew
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If he put his mind to it, yes.
Drag racing arguably isn't anywhere near as big as it was in the 60s, but it's still huge today undoubtedly.
What's wrong with not wanting to buy a car that does everything out of the box?
That's not who I am, or is many others for that matter.
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If I put my mind to it, a FIAT 500 is faster than an SRT Viper, too, then, right?
...nope.
And, yet, a good driver on a challenging rally stage might actually have a challenge... the Viper driver would still have the power advantage, but would have to be an excellent driver to control it...
The Viper could miss shifts and still win easily.
...nope.
And, yet, a good driver on a challenging rally stage might actually have a challenge... the Viper driver would still have the power advantage, but would have to be an excellent driver to control it...
The Viper could miss shifts and still win easily.
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I would love to see you keep the front end straight on a 1200 horsepower car that goes wheels up every time you launch it from a dead stop.
Part of the fun is picking a race with an unsuspecting driver.
No 🤬 a Viper is going to be faster than a Fiat 500 on a drag strip...choose your battles wisely when you're out there...but clearly you do not understand how drag strip car classes work. There is a reason you don't see pro-mods racing street stock
Now your just being ignorant and lacking respect for another sport that hundreds of thousands of people, millions even, participate in and enjoy.
Part of the fun is picking a race with an unsuspecting driver.
No 🤬 a Viper is going to be faster than a Fiat 500 on a drag strip...choose your battles wisely when you're out there...but clearly you do not understand how drag strip car classes work. There is a reason you don't see pro-mods racing street stock
Now your just being ignorant and lacking respect for another sport that hundreds of thousands of people, millions even, participate in and enjoy.
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I don't think you understand my point, though. Unless you have an incredible amount of horsepower, you are only as good as your car.
Talent isn't important in the case of some cars, under-powered cars especially... This leads to "pocket racing", where people outspend their opponents.
Not cool. Sure, you might think "woohhooo, I'm a mechanic, drag racing is awesome!" I'm sure most people enjoy it because they like the sounds. But, you don't have a high-powered car. If you had money, to afford whichever Mustang, you'd probably also be able to afford the pocket racing... Because you would need to because Mustang + (as you admit) driver isn't the only important part. Driver is rather unimportant.
Talent isn't important in the case of some cars, under-powered cars especially... This leads to "pocket racing", where people outspend their opponents.
Not cool. Sure, you might think "woohhooo, I'm a mechanic, drag racing is awesome!" I'm sure most people enjoy it because they like the sounds. But, you don't have a high-powered car. If you had money, to afford whichever Mustang, you'd probably also be able to afford the pocket racing... Because you would need to because Mustang + (as you admit) driver isn't the only important part. Driver is rather unimportant.
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He actually has a point as long as it's not a slaughter fest where a 20 year old in a GT-R will still likely beat the man with 20 years of drag racing experience in a regular Mustang.
Drag racing is one of the last few racing venues where it really does come down to drive skill with reaction times, launches, shifts, & keeping the car straight when the cars are matched perfectly, unlike a circuit that can give someone the edge.
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I fully agree with you, and I think that's why I like drag racing so much because there simply is no room for error. On a circuit you can make up for it a bit easier.
Yes and no. Any amount of horsepower can go faster or lower based on many factors like tire pressure, the driver, suspension tuning. But then again, that can apply to any racing really.
I disagree. Someone who has a better reaction time in an equally matched car will always win. Talent and practice is a must.
I still say the driver is important for reaction, overall shifting speed, keeping it straight, maintaining traction etc.
Just like learning to feather the throttle...no car does that on it's own...pretty sure the driver takes care of that one. Seems to be pretty important to avoid excessive wheelspin one might add.
You're kinda fluctuating with both here. First you say it's the driver, not the car, and then change that.
Believe what you want I guess.
ITCC_Andrew
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I've been adamant the entire time. My Subaru will not ever win a drag race, ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Never. Never. Never.
Get it through your head, drag racing is all car preparation. That's the underlying reason why you like it. You're a mechanic (and so am I,) so you think you can get an unfair advantage.
When was the last time two identical cars lined up at a drag strip, with the same tires, tire pressure, cylinder compression... I'd say it's never happened. Why not? Because drag racing has more to do with car preparation.
Consider rally, for example: the cars are all relatively equally prepared (most in Canada are Imprezas which inevitably run the same parts) and the drivers get 6+ hours of seat time to prove that they're best. Some, like Crazy Leo, can finish stages with flat tires etc., and still go on to win.
Meanwhile, if anything breaks (during staging) on a drag car, it's all over. No chance for the best driver to prove his worth.
Get it through your head, drag racing is all car preparation. That's the underlying reason why you like it. You're a mechanic (and so am I,) so you think you can get an unfair advantage.
When was the last time two identical cars lined up at a drag strip, with the same tires, tire pressure, cylinder compression... I'd say it's never happened. Why not? Because drag racing has more to do with car preparation.
Consider rally, for example: the cars are all relatively equally prepared (most in Canada are Imprezas which inevitably run the same parts) and the drivers get 6+ hours of seat time to prove that they're best. Some, like Crazy Leo, can finish stages with flat tires etc., and still go on to win.
Meanwhile, if anything breaks (during staging) on a drag car, it's all over. No chance for the best driver to prove his worth.
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What a ridiculous example to lead with after using Senna. It ignores 2 things. 1. Senna was able to get 110% out of his cars & 2. Senna was in a professional racing series that had rules in place to create somewhat equal racing. It wasn't Formula 3 vs Formula 1 cars like your Fiats vs. Vipers example for drag racing.
If someone has the talent to nail reaction times & everything else I said above, then yes, a drag racer could do the same with a less than perfect car because drag racing is dictated by brackets, not who is the all-out fastest when done in a professional series like Senna was. I'm positive in the NHRA, Pro Stock, or whatever other professional drag racing series, there has been a "Senna"-esque driver in a car that had the odds against it, but still won because the driver was in a league of his own.
When has this been done in any other professional racing series, either?
Most of the cars in rallying are "equally prepared" because they all meet required rules. That's likely where similarities stop and then becomes dependent on driver skill and how they set up their cars within' the rules.
Sounds pretty similar to drag racing to me or any other racing series.
Yes, because between stages, rally drivers never spend time trying to fix damaged parts like a drag racer will.
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You really are thick aren't you?
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This thread....
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You are. Reaction time is worth maybe a tenth of a second at most. Shifts, nah, so many drag cars have powerglide A/Ts, it's kinda irrelevant. And, if both cars have AWD, and aren't powerful enough to get wheelspin, for example, then wheelspin isn't important, either. But, a turbo is worth way more than reaction time etc.
You're coming across as arrogant, trying to say that circuit drivers aren't talented and drag racers are. Both are, and circuit drivers are definitely more so. Add rally into that mix, and suddenly you've got Colin McRae, Sébastien Loeb, Walter Röhrl, etc. Add formula cars to that mix, and you've got Senna and the rest. The list goes on and on.
Stop putting circuit drivers down, just because you're some Jeremy Clarkson would-be...
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Wait what? Why include Jeremy Clarkson?? He does everything, not just drag racing.
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Not really. I can respect and even enjoy other forms of auto sport.
For one, I never once said circuit drivers aren't talented. Quit putting words in my mouth. I am not putting them down because I in fact do think many of them are extremely talented and better than I will ever be. That's a fact.
You keep twisting my words to make them sound like you want them to.
This is showing EXACTLY how much you know about the sport
I also noticed you are COMPLETELY ignoring McLarens witty responses to your nonsense as well.
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Where on earth did Slash have any comments about circuit racers not being talented? And who are you to talk when you're sitting here doing the same thing against drag racers as basically having it easy ("Shifts, nah, so many drag cars have powerglide A/Ts, it's kinda irrelevant". Yeah, because paddle shifters are a completely different breed of transmission )?
This argument isn't any different from the GT forums complaining about NASCAR requiring no skill against everything else. Just lots of ignorance & no knowledge of the sport's rules or cars.
)?This is rich, too, considering the stories you've tried to tell, or knowledge you've posted about racing.
He likely has me on Ignore because @Azuremen and I are big, dumb, doo doo heads with nothing better to do than troll and be jelly.This is showing EXACTLY how much you know about the sport
I also noticed you are COMPLETELY ignoring McLarens witty responses to your nonsense as well.
This argument isn't any different from the GT forums complaining about NASCAR requiring no skill against everything else. Just lots of ignorance & no knowledge of the sport's rules or cars.
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Let's put it this way... both sports require a lot of skill, technique and knowledge about what you're driving and what your opponents are driving.
Here's where that whole who's got the most skill comes in.
Simply put, circuit racers require more skill as their 'stints' last longer. Depending on how fast the car is, in a drag race the entire deal is over within seconds. As opppsed to circuit races.
Here's where that whole who's got the most skill comes in.
Simply put, circuit racers require more skill as their 'stints' last longer. Depending on how fast the car is, in a drag race the entire deal is over within seconds. As opppsed to circuit races.
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Like this whole ridiculous argument.
Go take a breather and realize that I didn't once say anything slanderous about drag racing except that it's more about car than driver, which it is. I mean, it's not MX-5 Cup (read: spec series) or anything.
Go watch Pinks or something, you'll see that it is mostly cars, not drivers. I don't care about NHRA, though, so don't mention it.
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We can both learn from this. I kinda took offense to the way you never said anything good about circuit racing, rallying or any of my forms of motorsports... Why not?
