FWD Sports Car?

[Tornado]

A compact (economy) car that is faster than usual

Which isn't what many of the cars posted so far (Celica, Barchetta, Alfa Spider, FTO) actually are.

 

[TVC]

You're really confusing me with all the contradicting you are doing. A car is either a sports car or it isn't, it doesn't matter the size, amount of doors/seats or even the engine. If a car is fast it's fast, end of story. If you really want to get into specifics, there is no such thing as a sports car.

I mean really?

Just look at about any definition of a sports car.

 

[YSSMAN]

We forgot about another one of my favorite FWD sport coupes...

 

[TVC]

Which isn't what many of the cars posted so far (Celica, Barchetta, Alfa Spider, FTO) actually are.

I don't think you read any of my posts. When did I say the Barchetta was not a sports car? Or the Afla Spider? Or the FTO. At the same time when did I say they were sport compacts? I didn't. I even said that there could be FWD sports cars. There just aren't very many.

 

[McLaren]

The S65 is a sports sedan you are the first person I have heard to not say it is.

It's about as sporty as a Hummer is economical.

How? That is what a sport compact car is really. That isn't the exact or whole definition but that is one thing that makes it one. Just look at the name "sport compact car." It's just a faster economy car.

Look at your definition! The ITR matches it perfectly, but yet, it's suddenly not?
That makes no sense!

But it is a sport compact. I have never heard anyone consider a sport compact a true sports car. Sporty? I have heard people call them sporty. Sporting? Maybe but not an actual sports car. Sport compact is a classification like sports car. The Integra Type R is a great car but I wouldn't really consider it a sports car. (Even owners/honda fans consider it a sport compact and not a sports car).

Judging by your posts, it seems everything is just something you've heard from someone else.

The Integra Type R is a sports car. It's low, & it's small, 2/3 of the words used to describe a sports car. If the ITR isn't a sports car even though it matches your definition, then the FTO, Elan, or Celica aren't either.

 

[Northstar]

I mean really?

Just look at any definition of a sports car.

a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving

I will use the Fiat Barchetta
Low= check
2 passenger= check (although I don't think that is really a requirement as an M3 is clearly a sports car and has rear seats)

The rest is all fairly subjective depending on the driver

I still don't get how you say "I know there are" yet you are arguing that there aren't.

 

[Tornado]

I don't think you read any of my posts. When did I say the Barchetta was not a sports car? Or the Afla Spider? Or the FTO. At the same time when did I say they were sport compacts? I didn't. I even said that there could be FWD sports cars. There just aren't very many.

You asked in the OP if a FWD car can be a sports car. The car in the second post was a ZZT321 Toyota Celica. You replied that it was a sport compact, not a sports car.
So if you are now saying that the FTO is in fact a sports car, you just contradicted yourself again, as the FTO and Celica might as well be the same car in terms of how close each other are in specifications and marketing positioning.

 

[Smallhorses]

2 passenger= check (although I don't think that is really a requirement as an M3 is clearly a sports car and has rear seats)

Let's take this a step further and define the Porsche 911 as "not a sports car" because it has rear seats? Erm, no.

Just look at the racing (i.e. "sports") pedigree that some of the cars you're dismissing here.

Citroen Xsara Rally Car. Successful in autosport? Yes.
Based on a compact economy car? Yes.

Not therefore a "sports car"? You be the judge.

 

[TVC]

I will use the Fiat Barchetta
Low= check
2 passenger= check (although I don't think that is really a requirement as a M3 is clearly a sports car and has rear seats)

The rest is all fairly subjective depending on the driver

I still don't get how you say "I know there are" yet you are arguing that there aren't.

How am I arguing that there aren't? I am arguing that a sport compact is not a sports car. I never said there weren't FWD sports car and I did say that there are.

It's about as sporty as a Hummer is economical.

But its still a sport sedan and classified as one. See it has the word sport in it but it isn't a sports car.

Look at your definition! The ITR matches it perfectly, but yet, it's not?
That makes no sense!

It's still considered a sport compact by most people.

Judging by your posts, it seems everything is just something you've heard from someone else.

Isn't that true for almost everything we know?

The Integra Type R is a sports car. It's low, & it's small, 2/3 of the words used to describe a sports car

Forget about the word. Just about everyone considers it a sport compact. I like it and even I would say it is close to being a sports car and it is a good car but even then it is almost always categorized as a sport compact. It's a "sporty" car but not a sports car.

Really the Integra Type R is one of the cars that can go either way. It's technically a Sport Compact but at the same time it can be considered a sports car. same goes for the Celica. I was just being really technical in my earlier posts. Yes it can be categorized as a sports cars but most of the time (almost all the time) it is considered as sport compact. Same goes for the Celica and FTO. They can go either way because they are so close.

 

[Shant J.]

Yes. And don't you dare laugh. It meets every definition of a sports car.

 

[TVC]

Yes. And don't you dare laugh. It meets every definition of a sports car.

Can't really argue with that. Besides the way it (probably) handles.

 

[slidesquad#1]

Really the Integra Type R is one of the cars that can go either way. It's technically a Sport Compact but at the same time it can be considered a sports car. same goes for the Celica. I was just being really technical in my earlier posts. Yes it can be categorized as a sports cars but most of the time (almost all the time) it is considered as sport compact. Same goes for the Celica and FTO. They can go either way because they are so close.

I don't see how a sports car and a sports compact have to be mutually exclusive.

Practically everyones opinion in this thread seems to contradict your statement that the cars in question aren't sports cars.

 

[McLaren]

But its still a sport sedan and classified as one. See it has the word sport in it but it isn't a sports car.

S65. Please point out where "Sport" is in its name & don't say the "S".

Next thing I know, you'll be calling the Flying Spur Speed a sports sedan just because of the "Speed".

It's still considered a sport compact by most people.

Who cars what everyone calls it?

It fits your definition, yet you won't stick to it.

Forget about the word. Just about everyone considers it a sport compact. I like it and even I would say it is close to being a sports car and it is a good car but even then it is almost always categorized as a sport compact. It's a "sporty" car but not a sports car.

Again, you go against your definition.

Perhaps you don't realize this, but a sport compact can still a sports car. It's just a sub level of sports car just like a sport sedan is still technically a sport car.

Really the Integra Type R is one of the cars that can go either way. It's technically a Sport Compact but at the same time it can be considered a sports car. same goes for the Celica. I was just being really technical in my earlier posts. Yes it can be categorized as a sports cars but most of the time (almost all the time) it is considered as sport compact. Same goes for the Celica and FTO. They can go either way because they are so close.

Now you're just going in all sorts of directions.

 

[Irons]

Figure it this way...

Compact = Car
Saloon = Car
Sedan = Car
Coupe = Car

Therefore:
Sport Compact = Sports Car
Sports Sedan = Sports Car
Sports Saloon = Sports Car
Sports Coupe = Sports Car

Seeing a pattern here?

 

[TVC]

S65. Please point out where "Sport" is in its name & don't say the "S".

Next thing I know, you'll be calling the Flying Spur Speed a sports sedan just because of the "Speed".

"Sport sedan." "Sport" and then "sedan."

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-mercedes-benz-s63-and-s65-amg.html

http://www.easycarblog.com/2009/04/...amg-revealed-through-mercs-configurator.html/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S65_AMG

Who cars what everyone calls it?

That is kind of one way cars get classified...

It fits your definition, yet you won't stick to it.

I add definitions to Merriam-Webster?

Perhaps you don't realize this, but a sport compact can still a sports car. It's just a sub level of sports car just like a sport sedan is still technically a sport car.

Sport compact is another classification for a car just like "sports car" and "sports sedan". Go look it up. A sports car is not an opinion it's an actual classification and sport compact is not a sub-level. I don't even know where you got that idea from. That's like saying a pick up truck is a sub level of a semi truck. There are things needed for a car to truly be a sports car.

Now you're just going in all sorts of directions.

Technically it is a sport compact but some people still consider it a sports car. It's funny how you argue with me even when I agree with you. What do you want me to say. I was hoping I would end the conversation by saying that yet you still respond. I think by now it is obvious neither one of us will agree with each other. Either way what we are talking about has really nothing to do with the topic of this thread. We both agree that there are FWD sports cars so why are we arguing? (especially over something that has very little to do with thread). Wait until someone says there are not really any FWD sports cars.

 

[mafia_boy]

A FWD car can be a sports car, regardless of shape, be it hatchback, coupe, convertible, whatever....and I'll give some more examples compared to the others:

Fiat 500 Abarth and Fiat Turbo Coupe

Renault Clio

Peugeot 206 GTi 180

Chevrolet Cobalt SS

I notice in the voting you're in your own little sandbox too, 14 Yes to 1 No.

 

[TVC]

I notice in the voting you're in your own little sandbox too, 14 Yes to 1 No.

Who voted "No"

I haven't even voted but I would vote "Yes."

 

[Eric.]

Compass360 Racing and its trio of Skunk2-sponsored Civic Sis claimed the Grand-Am KONI Sports Car Challenge Street Tuner championship title October 4 at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) and went on to nab First Place in both Driver Points and Manufacturer Points categories. The win marks the first championship for the Skunk2-backed C360R team as well as for Driver Points champ Christian Miller and Manufacturer Points winner Honda.

By your definition, most true sports cars aren't sports cars, rather they'd be Grand Tourers or something.

Sports car breaks down to classes such as Grand Tourer, Supercar, cars like Miatas which are "roadsters", sport compact I suppose, and sport sedan. The latter of which is blurry because some sport sedans can actually perform as such. BMW M5 for example, and the Mercedes C-Klasse. And in my particular case, the Civic Si Sedan handles no different than its coupe counterpart. Though I'd still class it as a sport compact before a sport sedan. Its both, but whatever.

 

[neanderthal]

Do you think a sports car can be FWD? Is there such thing as a FWD sports car?

:snicker

 

[TVC]

:snicker

I was simply trying to start a thread. I wasn't asking because I didn't know I was asking to see what other people thought.

 

[neanderthal]

I was simply trying to start a thread. I wasn't asking because I didn't know I was asking to see what other people thought.

You manage to be very opinionated in the other threads. I doubt you were "just asking."

 

[TVC]

You manage to be very opinionated in the other threads. I doubt you were "just asking."

The truth is if I wanted to know I wouldn't have asked. I already knew a lot of people consider the Elan M100 a sports car and it FWD.

I was just hoping for a nice discussion but instead it turns into an argument of what a sports car is and if a if a sport compact is a sports car. 👎

I would delete the thread if I could but I can't.

 

[Smallhorses]

The discussion you've sparked is a good one, however, you began to blur boundaries when, after the very first picture in the thread of a Toyota Celica, (which is not by your later definition a "sport compact" in that it's not simply a faster model of an existing compact car) you labelled the Celica only a Sport Compact despite it being nothing of the sort.
It's kind of confusing where your standards begin and end, and now I've just noticed the CRX in your avatar. Case-in-point of an FWD 2-seater sports car.
Sure it was based on a Civic chassis, but the body was made as a sports coupe (which can also come in a compact size, as not every sports car is the size of a Bentley Continental GT!)

 

[TVC]

The discussion you've sparked is a good one, however, you began to blur boundaries when, after the very first picture in the thread of a Toyota Celica, (which is not by your later definition a "sport compact" in that it's not simply a faster model of an existing compact car) you labelled the Celica only a Sport Compact despite it being nothing of the sort.
It's kind of confusing where your standards begin and end, and now I've just noticed the CRX in your avatar. Case-in-point of an FWD 2-seater sports car.
Sure it was based on a Civic chassis, but the body was made as a sports coupe (which can also come in a compact size, as not every sports car is the size of a Bentley Continental GT!)

Wouldn't the CRX be a hot hatch? I wouldn't really call that a sports car. At least not technically. Same goes for the Celica. I guess you could consider it a sports car but technically I wouldn't say it is.

 

[HACKr]

Saab Sonnet Mk1

Also this one:

Sports car, yes?

 

[McLaren]

"Sport sedan." "Sport" and then "sedan."

That's not in its name like you claimed it was.

But its still a sport sedan and classified as one. See it has the word sport in it but it isn't a sports car.

Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG. Where is the sport in it? Nowhere & I'm done at this point.

That is kind of one way cars get classified...

10 of us can call the CLS a coupe and 1 of us can call it a sedan. Guess who's right.

I add definitions to Merriam-Webster?

Stop being a little smart ass. By the definition you believe a sports car is defined, you won't stick to it when niky & I name a car that fits it.

Sport compact is another classification for a car just like "sports car" and "sports sedan". Go look it up.

I have & you obviously haven't. A Sports Compact can be a Sports Car. That is 100% fact.

A sports car is not an opinion it's an actual classification and sport compact is not a sub-level.

That is an opinion, not fact. Justin & I have both reached the same conclusion, 2 to 1. Prove us wrong.

I don't even know where you got that idea from. That's like saying a pick up truck is a sub level of a semi truck. There are things needed for a car to truly be a sports car.

That's just being unable to comprehend anything.

A semi & a pick up are, if anything, both sub levels under a "Truck".

Technically it is a sport compact but some people still consider it a sports car. It's funny how you argue with me even when I agree with you. What do you want me to say. I was hoping I would end the conversation by saying that yet you still respond. I think by now it is obvious neither one of us will agree with each other. Either way what we are talking about has really nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Nobody has agreed with you except that a FWD can be a sports car & I don't believe you were asking at all.

The reason we're arguing is because you won't accept the fact the Integra Type R fits the very definition of a sports car you yourself accept.

Wouldn't the CRX be a hot hatch? I wouldn't really call that a sports car. At least not technically. Same goes for the Celica. I guess you could consider it a sports car but technically I wouldn't say it is.

And there in lies the issue!

Everything the rest of us are classifying as FWD sports cars, you keep arguing that they go into another category. A Celica is a sport compact, not a sports car. A CRX is a hot hatch, not a sports car. They can all be the same thing. How is it that the rest of us can understand this, but you can't? A car can be in multiple categories.

 

[JCE]

Ford Focus SVT (ST170)
Honda Prelude

Drive them and you'll understand. They are brilliant to drive and move around vertically and horizontally with enthusiasm.

 

[mafia_boy]

Everything the rest of us are classifying as FWD sports cars, you keep arguing that they go into another category. A Celica is a sport compact, not a sports car. A CRX is a hot hatch, not a sports car. They can all be the same thing. How is it that the rest of us can understand this, but you can't? A car can be in multiple categories.

Which is what I eluded to earlier.

A FWD car can be a sports car, regardless of shape, be it hatchback, coupe, convertible, whatever....

 

[Tornado]

Wouldn't the CRX be a hot hatch?

Sidestepping the issue at hand: A hot hatch is essentially the same thing that a sport compact is (tuned up version of a lesser car), only for hatchbacks. A Civic Type R would be a hot hatch because it is a tuned version of a normal Civic. A VW GTi is a hot hatch because it is a tuned version of a normal Golf (that isn't to say that neither of these are sports cars). A CRX is not a hot hatch because there is no normal "base" CRX for it to be based on, and is instead a completely performance-oriented model.

 

[Horde_R35]

Yes. And don't you dare laugh. It meets every definition of a sports car.

I drove that car a few times! Its from a friend! Its like a Kart thats what i have to say!

My car is a sports car: