Game of Thrones - Caution: contains spoilers & dragonsTV

[baldgye]

This season the quality of the story writing has taken a big hit, the Scorpions being nerfed Soo much in this episode and overpowered in the other episodes just seems like it was used as a ploy to move the plot along by killing one of her dragons and add a tiny bit of tension for this episode.

But, like this 'overpowering'/'nerfing' of characters and weapons makes zero sense.... like why didn't the dragon die during the long night? Showing how dire it was, rather than literally no one important being killed? Or why didn't the dragon die during this last episode to help push Danny over the edge?

The writing is so bad they didn't give Jamie an arch but a circle...

 

[mustafur]

I was kinda expecting her to burn the place down(but not to this level) but the dragon also to die, now I'm not really sure how they are going to deal with this.

I'll reserve my full judgement till the end but it's very dissappointing and doesn't give the audience satisfaction for all the high detail Story Arc Build up in the past just to end like this nonsense.

I'm very disappointed with how the Night king Arc ended and it just feels like punishment given how much story was involved in that just to end like it did, the very first scene was related to that in Episode 1 so the build up was massive and there hasn't been any acceptable payoff it feels unjustified.

 

[baldgye]

I was kinda expecting her to burn the place down(but not to this level) but the dragon also to die, now I'm not really sure how they are going to deal with this.

I'll reserve my full judgement till the end but it's very dissappointing and doesn't give the audience satisfaction for all the high detail Story Arc Build up in the past just to end like this nonsense.

I'm very disappointed with how the Night king Arc ended and it just feels like punishment given how much story was involved in that just to end like it did, the very first scene was related to that in Episode 1 so the build up was massive and there hasn't been any acceptable payoff it feels unjustified.

Welcome to the last episode, where it just ends for the sake of it and nothing is satisfying or justified!


EDIT At the start of the year me and my partner rewatched the three LotR movies... and GoT used to be like, what if LotR was made for adults... now it kinda feels like LotR is GoT for adults....

 

[Jezza819]

I don't know if there is such a thing as a satisfying or justified ending to these longer running shows these days. Take 20 possible ending scenarios and probably all 20 would have about an 80% or higher disapproval rating. The producers and directors of these shows and movies are almost in a no win situation.

 

[Danoff]

I don't know if there is such a thing as a satisfying or justified ending to these longer running shows these days. Take 20 possible ending scenarios and probably all 20 would have about an 80% or higher disapproval rating. The producers and directors of these shows and movies are almost in a no win situation.

I appreciate that they're in a difficult situation, but it's not as difficult a situation as creating the story in the first place. The expectations are high because it's a good show. It's easier to exist in that frame than it is to create a good show from scratch. You might think otherwise, but the number of shows that just never take off, some despite being good (firefly), are many. GoT has a bunch of wonderful actors, a huge budget, and a huge fan base. Also you can literally make fans happy by just having firebreathing dragons for part of the show, so that part writes itself.

What they did with Jamie is not just failing to live up to expectations. It's failing to write a good story. If you listen to what's being said about Dani's plotline, it's not that people are upset with the arc, it's that people are upset with the writing not properly motivating that arc. The arc itself is fine (because presumably it was fed by Martin). I can even see some of the seeds that were supposed to be planted from so long ago. They just failed to properly cultivate it. As common as that complaint is, and it does seem to be common, I can let it go, because I see how they tried to do it.

What I can't get past is just dumb stuff. Terrible strategy at Winterfell (and again at Kings Landing). Overpowered weapons for the sake of building tension and then remove it because you don't need it anymore. These are lazy plot devices. This is not the kind of thing this show was built on. The tension was real. It was so palpable, you could almost touch it.

 

[Mr P]

Looking forward to the final episode but sad to see it end 👍

on a funny note this little clip gave me a good laugh earlier haha



Hopefully something EPIC like GOT will hit our screens again in the future

 

[88GTA]

Spoiler

This is what happens when you trust one of those crazy Targaryans... I liked the action in the last episode but so many things were just out of nowhere. Most have been mentioned because I'm late to the party but is Arya's list now blank? I mean, we all know she just added Queen Dany to it but there is no one else left right? I think Dany kills Jon, Arya kills Dany and Tyrion kills Grey Worm. Tyrion takes the throne and invites Sansa to be his queen.

 

[Danoff]

Spoiler

This is what happens when you trust one of those crazy Targaryans... I liked the action in the last episode but so many things were just out of nowhere. Most have been mentioned because I'm late to the party but is Arya's list now blank? I mean, we all know she just added Queen Dany to it but there is no one else left right? I think Dany kills Jon, Arya kills Dany and Tyrion kills Grey Worm. Tyrion takes the throne and invites Sansa to be his queen.

Well given that my predication, while technically still possible, is really not at all possible. I'll make a new one with you:

Spoiler

Arya kills Dany in mask form. Jon delivers a death blow to Arya before she unmasks. Jon kills himself. Drogon flies off. Sansa rules with Tyrion.

Here's my second guess. Dany kills Tyrion (possibly via Grey Worm). Arya Kills Dany. Drogon kills Arya. Jon kills Drogon, dies in the process. Sansa rules.

I do feel like there's a Jon vs. Grey Worm fight coming.

 

[Danoff]

 

[baldgye]

This is pretty apt but seasons 5&6 where also kinda dumb

 

[Dotini]

I'm still blown away by how evil Dany turned out to be. The only thing that makes sense plot-wise now is for Jon or Arya to kill her, and Jon be elected King.

Spoiler

"Beware the pale mare," said Quaithe.

 

[Danoff]

elected King.

 

[mustafur]

The thing is how does the dragon die, my guess is they are going to make it easy to kill it next episode, something that wouldn't of worked in episode 5.

Gah, this show has gone downhill so bad I have honestly thought about not even watching the last episode.

David Benioff & D. B. Weiss Can't get another job in film again after this monstrosity, they ruined arguably the best show ever made, the signs where there in the last few seasons but I didn't think they where this brain dead to a coherent story.

 

[Dotini]

He was elected Lord Commander of the Knight's Watch. He was elected King in the North. I suppose he will be elected King of the 7 Kingdoms by the assembled noble families.

 

[mustafur]

He was elected Lord Commander of the Knight's Watch. He was elected King in the North. He will elected King by the assembled noble families.

He would be supported, not elected he has the best claim, he is son of the crown Prince(not that these writers will make sense with what happens next).

Lord Commanders of the Knights Watch though have always been elected and they also have a time limited Stay as one.

 

[Dotini]

He would be supported, not elected he has the best claim, he is son of the crown Prince(not that these writers will make sense with what happens next).

Lord Commanders of the Knights Watch though have always been elected and they also have a time limited Stay as one.

Having just betrayed and killed his Queen, Jon will be shattered and devastated, in no mood to claim the crown by such lethal force. Even if Arya does it for him. He will reluctantly accede to the acclaim and insistence of the nobility to lead the realm, IMO. How he will deal with the Dothraki, Unsullied and dragon is beyond my pay grade. If history of Westeros is a guide (I know, it's not), they are only killed by other dragons or by many arrows and spears to the eyes when they are confined to a pit with little room to maneuver. Drogon trusts Jon, so Jon may be able to sneak in close and betray the dragon.

 

[baldgye]

David Benioff & D. B. Weiss Can't get another job in film again after this monstrosity,

 

[mustafur]

They will probably kill the franchise.

 

[baldgye]

They will probably kill the franchise.

I still don’t understand why HBO let this season out in the state that it is...

The show has been in freefall since season 3 but seasons 7&8 have seen a dramatic and catastrophic dropping of quality. All this seems to have done is hurt the financial opportunities for the spin off series and the TV show as a whole.


Like remember when Varis and Little Finger where legit crazy influential politicians lurking in the shadows controlling the lead characters actions?
Or when Danny’s despair and desperation crossing the Red Sea and how she slowly rose to power and grew in confidence?

 

[mustafur]

The good thing about the prequels is that D&D will have nothing to do with it, and the material being used will be done by the book, plus the budgets will be higher then what they where in the early seasons of thrones so they can start with better writers and have higher production for the early stages.

 

[baldgye]

The good thing about the prequels is that D&D will have nothing to do with it, and the material being used will be done by the book, plus the budgets will be higher then what they where in the early seasons of thrones so they can start with better writers and have higher production for the early stages.

Do you think the damage done by the last two seasons will be able to hurt it?

If we know how it ends (and it ends like something scrawled in human **** on the side of a disused crack house), won't it be difficult to get people invested? We know its all for naught

 

[mustafur]

Do you think the damage done by the last two seasons will be able to hurt it?

If we know how it ends (and it ends like something scrawled in human **** on the side of a disused crack house), won't it be difficult to get people invested? We know its all for naught

I don't think they are that related, we know the world isn't ending so there is that, so I think it will treated as it's own era rather then the finale of all the series.

The prequels that are coming are very highly detailed stories by G.R.R.M so I would actually expect season 1-3 style quality from them, they are not going to have the issues of having a poor writing staff(without much input of the actual creator) making up a story based on unexpected twists rather then making a story that makes sense, so It should be fine.

 

[eran0004]

I think the big issue is that this last season has had very little intrigue. It’s been “oh hey, remember me?” and then just a bunch of long battle scenes where the winner wins for no particular reason.

There is no meaningful dialogue anymore.

 

[mustafur]

I think the big issue is that this last season has had very little intrigue. It’s been “oh hey, remember me?” and then just a bunch of long battle scenes where the winner wins for no particular reason.

There is no meaningful dialogue anymore.

The show lost it's meaning especially after the Night King Battle and the king's Landing stuff was beating a dead horse at that point.

What was the point of Brans whole Arc if this is how they deal with the Night King, I'm very certain in the books he is the Night King but he doesn't know it, the show just wiped out it's you know what and just pissed over it all.

I feel like a sucker for watching all that Story buildup only for it to end like this, it's insulting.

The Last episode will be long, but it better be the best thing ever made for it to explain all this nonsense otherwise the show has been ruined, even the actors when questioned on it have been giving away that it was terrible, so there isn't much hope.

 

[baldgye]

...and then just a bunch of long battle scenes where the winner wins for no particular reason.

And yet The Battle of the Bastards, is still one of the highest rated battles in the series

 

[88GTA]

Spoiler

It will be interesting to see how the stories for Bran, Sansa and Brienne will play out when they are so far from the action. Bran obviously knows/has always known what Dany has done. He can tell them what has happened or a raven may come with a message.

This brings up an interesting point though. When Jon is about to tell Sansa and Arya about his true identity, Bran tells him it is his choice. Bran knows that this is a divergence point where Jon has the opportunity to obey Dany and not tell his sisters. Instead, he asks Bran to tell them, likely so he can say he didn't tell them himself. This is a very important decision he made because had he not told them, Varys would not have conspired against Dany and presumably Dany would not have gone the dragon riding version of bananas.

Jon delivers a death blow to Arya before she unmasks. Jon kills himself.

Oh, I like this twist. That's a good one.

 

[Pupik]

Spoiler

They salvage the gutter child from the pile of bricks, and leave it to be raised by Sam and Gilley Tarley. History repeats itself.

Greyjoy on the throne in 20 years' time.

 

[baldgye]

Last episode prediction; half of Kingslanding is fine

 

[mustafur]

Spoiler

They salvage the gutter child from the pile of bricks, and leave it to be raised by Sam and Gilley Tarley. History repeats itself.

Greyjoy on the throne in 20 years' time.

What throne?

 

[88GTA]

Also, where is Gendry? Did they show him leaving Winterfell? I'm assuming he left to fight with Jon/Dany but I don't remember them showing him.