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BTW, I forgive 888 Tuning for his mistakes. I think we need to be less competitive and more cautious in the future though. Sitting and waiting a few seconds is faster than having an accident. Oh, and don't weave on the straights. Annoys the hell out of me and is an illegal move.

Wow, so much anger over a game.
I know the corner and the move that has caused this debarcle, and I will tell it from my side.
N4HS and I were racing closely.. very closely with a few nudges from both drivers over previous laps, but thats racing.
My stance is if he gets the inside line on me, ie up to my B-pillar then the corner is his and I will back off the throttle a small amount to pull in behind and keep racing. I dont know the rules OS, but this is the basic rule for racing in Australia (specifically the supercars). The problem with GT5 is that you dont have such good peripheral vision and that leads to a lot of contacts where someone has managed to get up the inside.

.. So in this instance, N4HS ran wide enough for me to be able to take a tight line through that long sweeping right hand corner and get on the inside, its a valid move and the tuning of my car will allow the car to hold such a tight line in that corner.

Having said that If I had known there was contact I would have pulled over to let N4HS take my position, but honestly from my game there was no contact. I get the impression that if you are on edge of traction and get a nudge it has a worse effect on your car than say when you are in a straight line, and thats probably what has taken place here cause that corner you are right on the edge of your grip.

I said it before, and I will say it again, there was plenty of unintentional nudging from all drivers, and even within their own teams, it happens and it is acceptable because we all race with the same ethic of staying as clean as possible and that very point is why the racing here is so close and so enjoyable.

I would hate to see every race turn into a bitch match about who touched who etc, we dont see it in F1 / V8 Supercars and other forms of racing, unless its intentional or clearly a case of bad driving and I dont see anyone who has been a part of these garage races guilty of bad driving.

I had N4HS tag my rear end into the last corner during one race... but I know it was simply him trying hard, seeing a small gap and thats a racing incident, fine by me cause I know he was not intentionally thinking, "I can nudge his rear which will give me the position down the straight"... no one here thinks like that, me included.

So to N4HS, I apologise for the incident, but will maintain my stance from my cabin/my game/my view there was no contact hence no reason for me to think otherwise.

If you guys want a rematch for this last race, then I will accept it to keep the peace. Im a fair man so you guys decide and let me know, but if this series turns into demands for reviews and rematchs which turns us against each other, then I'm out.

I saw both my drivers leading at the end of lap2 only to be both taken out by an Audi R8.. thats unfair and should be reason for rematches, not because of bickering amongst ourselves.
 
PS : I left 888 pass me on the line but I was first on this race, even after being thrown out with Timppaq by that R8.... don't I deserve that victory (For the 888 team ) ?:dopey: ;)
 
NTSC finals:

Race 1:
TLD: Baldurkn
888: Vaxen (0.015 sec behind)
888: Earth

Race 2:
888: Earth
TLD: Baldurkn
888: Vaxen

Race 3:
888: Earth
888: Vaxen
TLD: Baldurkn

Race 4:
888: Vaxen
888: Earth
TLD: Baldurkn

Final score:
888: 3
TLD: 1
 
Thats the problem with Fuji 888, i don't know what happened so i won't judge, but similar happened with myself and you by the sounds which resulted in me gaining a penalty. We came into a left hander i was clear ahead, i went the wide line to cut back, the fastest route though that corner, and when i came to turn in i found you'd slipped up the inside and cut me off, we touched and i got a 5 second penalty.

Not saying it was your fault, but its hard to judge if that was a legit move, or an overtake that is deemed dodgy. I was there that time, and i still don't know if the move was fair or not.
 
^Oh yes, Fuji is a nightmare for that kind of thing. There are multiple fast lines, from wide to tight and I think people should adopt some kind of rule of no overtaking on any of the corners (yes, any! All of the corners at Fuji are aboslutely terrible for overtaking). Its better just to make the most of the several straights, although this would be a big problem for the slower-accelerating cars. You may think someone has chosen a bad line and are going to exit slower, but more often than not, they are on a fast line and you're not going to be able to overtake without contact.
The only times I have had clean passes on Fuji corners are when the other person has made a mistake and have forfeited the place anyway or driving at a vastly reduced speed.

With all this in mind, I can't wait till we get the Monte Carlo GP.....
 
Getting ready to run the third place event. Don't have the torque to turn the big gears, but this car has been easy to drive throught the slower sections and braking zones. Good controlled set up.
Race 1
1st-GTP_Ravenmaven DC
2nd-GTP_Twistybits ???
3rd-N/A

Race 2
1st-GTP_Ravenmaven DC
2nd-GTP_Twistybits ???
3rd-N/A

Race 3
1st-GTP_Ravenmaven DC
2nd-N/A
3rd-N/A

Race 4
1st-GTP_Ravenmaven DC
2nd-N/A
3rd-N/A

No one showed up for L-Tune but it was fun racing with Twistybits and others for a few races.
 
Good racing with my teammate Vaxen there.

GTP_Twistybits was racing us in a black SRT10, but is that a tuner's car?

Maybe he was suppose to be in the battle for 3rd place I don't know

Anyways I'm hungry and it's time to start cookin'
 
Thanks for the push at the end of the 4th race Earth:tup:
The race was yours if you wanted it... classy move from a teammate.

GTP_TwistyBits (heli-eric) wasn't representing a shop, but was just along for some clean competition.

In general, the racing was competitive, and very clean (even from the 3rd parties). There were a couple exceptions, but it was much better than last week.
 
Thank you Vaxen and Earth(plus GTP_TwistyBits who joined in) for some great races, these were intense, hard and very clean races. Most of the finishes were within a second !
It was only in the last race when a bunch of WRX's and Evo's joined in that I saw some hard contact. Before that it had only been small unintentional nudges nothing to complain about !

Earth: in that last race lap 1 when I spun out it was just because when we nudged my car touched the grass on the right side which caused the spin not our contact there, no worries !
 
Maybe the Garage Showdowns should start using a points system instead of having only the wins counts.

When only the wins count if feels like you're racing for nothing when you're far behind the leader and it really hurts when a punter gives you a 4 second penalty or knocks you off the track and you have no hope for the win

Also when only the win counts that encourages over aggressive driving to get to the front among GTP members

You may say what if there is 6 drivers from one garage and only 3 from another?

What you do then is only count the top 3 finishing drivers from each garage. If 4 from one garage show up and only 1 from another grage then you only count the top finisher from each garage towards the points.

Example

1. Tony - 888
2. Joes - TLD
3. Edss - TLD
4. FSS - TLD
5. Harold - DC

Tony would get first place points for 888, Joes second place points for TLD, and Harold 3rd place points for DC. Edss, and FSS gets no points because they are the worst finishing TLD drivers and since 888 tuning and DC only have 1 driver representing them only the top finisher for each garage will be counted towards points.

Now if:

Example

1. Tony - 888
2. Joes - 888
3. Rogg- DC
4. Edss - TLD
5. FSS - TLD
6. Harold - DC

Then drivers would be rewarded points normally from top to bottom because all garages have an equal number of drivers representing them in a race.

Or to really simplify it just score the top finishing driver of each tune for each race

I think you might be right on this one, a points system will make it much better now.

Wow, so much anger over a game.
I know the corner and the move that has caused this debarcle, and I will tell it from my side.
N4HS and I were racing closely.. very closely with a few nudges from both drivers over previous laps, but thats racing.
My stance is if he gets the inside line on me, ie up to my B-pillar then the corner is his and I will back off the throttle a small amount to pull in behind and keep racing. I dont know the rules OS, but this is the basic rule for racing in Australia (specifically the supercars). The problem with GT5 is that you dont have such good peripheral vision and that leads to a lot of contacts where someone has managed to get up the inside.

.. So in this instance, N4HS ran wide enough for me to be able to take a tight line through that long sweeping right hand corner and get on the inside, its a valid move and the tuning of my car will allow the car to hold such a tight line in that corner.

Having said that If I had known there was contact I would have pulled over to let N4HS take my position, but honestly from my game there was no contact. I get the impression that if you are on edge of traction and get a nudge it has a worse effect on your car than say when you are in a straight line, and thats probably what has taken place here cause that corner you are right on the edge of your grip.

I said it before, and I will say it again, there was plenty of unintentional nudging from all drivers, and even within their own teams, it happens and it is acceptable because we all race with the same ethic of staying as clean as possible and that very point is why the racing here is so close and so enjoyable.

I would hate to see every race turn into a bitch match about who touched who etc, we dont see it in F1 / V8 Supercars and other forms of racing, unless its intentional or clearly a case of bad driving and I dont see anyone who has been a part of these garage races guilty of bad driving.

I had N4HS tag my rear end into the last corner during one race... but I know it was simply him trying hard, seeing a small gap and thats a racing incident, fine by me cause I know he was not intentionally thinking, "I can nudge his rear which will give me the position down the straight"... no one here thinks like that, me included.

So to N4HS, I apologise for the incident, but will maintain my stance from my cabin/my game/my view there was no contact hence no reason for me to think otherwise.

If you guys want a rematch for this last race, then I will accept it to keep the peace. Im a fair man so you guys decide and let me know, but if this series turns into demands for reviews and rematchs which turns us against each other, then I'm out.

I saw both my drivers leading at the end of lap2 only to be both taken out by an Audi R8.. thats unfair and should be reason for rematches, not because of bickering amongst ourselves.

I never ran wide, I took the correct racing line throught that corner, and you unexpectedly dived up the inside. I bet if there was no contact you would have had a very slow exit. Oh, and I never tagged you, not even by accident. If I hit you it was because someone else hit me, in which case I was merely a passenger in said incident. No need to re-race that race, I'm happy that is was all accidents in close racing.

PS : I left 888 pass me on the line but I was first on this race, even after being thrown out with Timppaq by that R8.... don't I deserve that victory ?:dopey: ;)

You didn't have to put up with the BS at the start of that race. I really get sick of starting last all the time. I think in future Showdowns we (the garages) should try and tune for one less PP than the event allows, for better grid position. It worked with the Suzukis.💡

NTSC finals:

Race 1:
TLD: Baldurkn
888: Vaxen (0.015 sec behind)
888: Earth

Race 2:
888: Earth
TLD: Baldurkn
888: Vaxen

Race 3:
888: Earth
888: Vaxen
TLD: Baldurkn

Race 4:
888: Vaxen
888: Earth
TLD: Baldurkn

Final score:
888: 3
TLD: 1

Congratulations to 888, it sounds like NTSC had less punters ruining things.

^Oh yes, Fuji is a nightmare for that kind of thing. There are multiple fast lines, from wide to tight and I think people should adopt some kind of rule of no overtaking on any of the corners (yes, any! All of the corners at Fuji are aboslutely terrible for overtaking). Its better just to make the most of the several straights, although this would be a big problem for the slower-accelerating cars. You may think someone has chosen a bad line and are going to exit slower, but more often than not, they are on a fast line and you're not going to be able to overtake without contact.
The only times I have had clean passes on Fuji corners are when the other person has made a mistake and have forfeited the place anyway or driving at a vastly reduced speed.

With all this in mind, I can't wait till we get the Monte Carlo GP.....

Clean passes are quite possible, but the wide lines required make people think they can overtake when they in fact can not. Stupid Fuji! I hope we get Bathurst and Grand Valley Speedway.:mischievous:



Edit: Has anyone realised what happend in the Battle for 3rd yet? A TIE!:D Yes, we're going to have a 1-on-1 battle after all between J-PaP and NLxAROSA. I need to hear from both of you when is a good time. I'm free tonight to adjudicate.

Edit 2:
OK, WE HAVE A TIE!
Here's what will happen. At xx:?? BOTH NLxAROSA and J-PaP will have a 1-on-1 race together. I would as many people as possible to enter the race as well but NOT actually race. They should instead find a spot where they won't interfere with the race, and watch it as it happens. This way we have some honest spectators and less spots on the grid available for punters. I will slowly follow the race from behind watching for foul play. If it looks like one driver is going to win, but gets punted off by a punter or driver error from the other team then I reserve the right to award the victory to the one who got punted off. If it was too close and one gets punted towards the finish then we have a re-match.
But instead of taking that obvious chance of punters, I want both J-PaP and NLxAROSA to sit on the grid at first. Then both of you line up equally, and I will sit behind you both. When the race clock hits 30sec we will launch and so should you accordingly. I will then drop behind to adjudicate the race. The other non-racing drivers shall use this moment of getting ready to race off and find their spot to watch from. Are we all clear on how this will work?
 
Sure, sounds fine by me. 👍 Too bad I'll be out all day today, I won't be back until late this evening (it's now 7:42 over here and I'm about to leave, I will be back by 19:00 at its earliest). It has to be done in the upcoming week, because all the events will be changed on the 12th.
 
Sure, sounds fine by me. 👍 Too bad I'll be out all day today, I won't be back until late this evening (it's now 7:42 over here and I'm about to leave, I will be back by 19:00 at its earliest). It has to be done in the upcoming week, because all the events will be changed on the 12th.

Yeah, I'm kinda un-available today as well. Do you get a public holiday for Queen's birthday tomorrow? Australia does, and has day off.
 
Heh heh, no. We do have Queen's Birthday as a public holiday (april 30th), but it's for the birthday of our Queen, not the Queen of England. ;) I'm sure we'll work something out. :)
 
Yea i noticed the draw, decided then was not the time to vent as i was annoyed about incidents in the forum race. But it seems yet again i put a sterling performance in to be completely cancelled out by the NTSC guys. I'd like to say the racing was enjoyable, but it wasn't due to the vast number of punters in the races. Oh well, the first set of races were still more then enough to make this event worth while.

I'll help fill a spot for that 1on1 to stop punters if the times convenient.
 
gtp_b24 punted a number of us off the track. Is he really a GTP driver?

l was on the inside line at turn four and you turned in on me then flew off the track.you then hunted me down and tried to take me out.
I am a gtp driver and pretty handy and fair and honest.
Its how l live my life so dont start cr$p with me mate.
Also on turn one at the start of the race ( first run in a new car at fuji in a long time) everyone was on top me and l had no where to go. I was also hit from behind.

Sorry for fumbling if that was the case but do not accuse me of being a dirty player
 
gtp_b24 is a gtp driver. Just checked the registry. Contemplating whether to report him. I think he just needs to be told to be more careful not removed from the list as I felt the knocks i received were just unawareness of surroundings rather than deliberate punting. Unless anyone had definite punting during your race?

I do not punt anyone deliberately unless they are punters taking me out or other decent drivers. I would never take out a gtp driver although holden 4sp did attack me through out the race.
It was my first run in the audi at fugi and you guys were everywhere in turn one.It was chaos in turn one and turn two. I was also punted.I was asking myself what the hell was going on the way you were all attacking the race.
Does anyone have video footage of the event?
 
B24
gtp_b24 punted a number of us off the track. Is he really a GTP driver?

l was on the inside line at turn four and you turned in on me then flew off the track.you then hunted me down and tried to take me out.
I am a gtp driver and pretty handy and fair and honest.
Its how l live my life so dont start cr$p with me mate.
Also on turn one at the start of the race ( first run in a new car at fuji in a long time) everyone was on top me and l had no where to go. I was also hit from behind.

Sorry for fumbling if that was the case but do not accuse me of being a dirty player

We you got some nerve buddy. I did not hit you once, although I think I do remember sliding straight through as a ghost at the hairpin. That was immediately after you hit me off, and I was in fact careening out of control, as being pushed off my line in a Viper is neither a comfortable nor rewarding experience.It usual spells a 180 degree turn. So to accuse me of hunting you down is way out of line, and I suggest you don't go making false claims.........or trying overtakes in risky corners.

B24
I do not punt anyone deliberately unless they are punters taking me out or other decent drivers. I would never take out a gtp driver although holden 4sp did attack me through out the race.
It was my first run in the audi at fugi and you guys were everywhere in turn one.It was chaos in turn one and turn two. I was also punted.I was asking myself what the hell was going on the way you were all attacking the race.
Does anyone have video footage of the event?

If we went crazy it was trying to avoid hitting someone else or being hit ourselves by the real punters. Even so, the first turn of a race is always hectic as people battle for some sort of track position, and Fuji is not a good place for race starts. By the way, you can continue to try and make out I was trying to ram you, or I can slide my mouse down to the report button. We had 3 complaints from your driving that night, so if you can provide a reasonable excuse I have no beef with you as I like to believe all GTP drivers are fair and clean.
 
Some of these GTP_ drivers are so shure about their driving skills,even with pad,that everything is possible to them.Not the fastest,but shurely act like ones.
 
B24
I have plenty of nerve.Come down to Gymea Pub and l will show you.
I DO NOT take well to being accused of cheating

Well if you actually read our posts you might notice we came to the conclusion you were not cheating, and in fact we just thought you needed to be more aware of your surroundings eg. when another driver is in your blind spot. Avoiding risky overtakes wouldn't be a bad thing either.;) Now I await your response.

Edit: No your online status shows you're not here any more. I can't wait that long.
 
B24
I have plenty of nerve.Come down to Gymea Pub and l will show you.
I DO NOT take well to being accused of cheating

I'm guessing you misread holdens line during that incident, a wide line is often the fast line on Fuji, you saw him going wide, put yourself on the inside and likely contact was made. It's no-ones fault really but without alot of Fuji experience, its difficult to tell when an overtake is truly on, and when the guy will end up coming down onto you as you try to slip inside.
 
I'm guessing you misread holdens line during that incident, a wide line is often the fast line on Fuji, you saw him going wide, put yourself on the inside and likely contact was made. It's no-ones fault really but without alot of Fuji experience, its difficult to tell when an overtake is truly on, and when the guy will end up coming down onto you as you try to slip inside.

Indeed, it seems many people do who don't have much experience at Fuji. I like how he thinks I hunted him down, when we only met on track once where I got punted off, accidental or not.
 
I see it was on turn 4, as in the long sweeping right hander? or some may believe its the left after it depending. Either way theyre both perfect example when a wider line works out fastest. The quickest line on the right hander is to go a little wide in the middle, and come back inside then put the power down. Going into the left the best line is a wide entry and very tight almost straight exit . Either one, wide line is the way and inside moves shouldn't be made unless absolutely certain it can be made cleanly.
 
I see it was on turn 4, as in the long sweeping right hander? or some may believe its the left after it depending. Either way theyre both perfect example when a wider line works out fastest. The quickest line on the right hander is to go a little wide in the middle, and come back inside then put the power down. Going into the left the best line is a wide entry and very tight almost straight exit . Either one, wide line is the way and inside moves shouldn't be made unless absolutely certain it can be made cleanly.

It was the right-hand sweeper, about mid-way I went out that little bit wide as per racing line and as soon as I did he just seemed to hit the gas, he didn't actually even get beside me, hit me from the rear corner of my car and I ran off track after that.

Edit: Or at least I think that was what happened. Memory sucks.
 
I'm thinking he misjudged you going wide as you running wide, which is why he blipped the gas. That or yes, he was just prepared to hit you. Can't really say without seeing the incident. So I'll stay neutral on this.
 
Yo sorry to everyone. i couldn't take part on yesterdays showdown, had to work Sat morning! Really sorry! :ouch:
LOL race friendly sound good to me:tup:
 
Like I say, Fuji is terrible for overtaking purely just for this, probably why its my least favourite to race but a great track for testing a car.
I say that I look forward to Monte Carlo GP because that track has very few easy overtake spots, and as such many people will get perhaps frustrated and some desperate moves will be made, a la Fuji, causing some mishaps. (not implying anyone here was frustrated and making desperate moves, just saying)

Although, I dont think many people see Fuji that way and instead assume every corner is a great place to overtake on the inside when in fact nearly all of them are wide-line corners.

May I suggest we switch back to Suzuka?, a lot less frustrating track and we already know its fun to race.
 
Well, its been Suzuka 500, Fuji 600, something 750 is on the cards i believe. If the classes stay the same anyway.
 
sorry to say, I had the same unpleasant experience with B24! Sort out your driving if it was not deliberate!

O and I was the one behind ND4 and B24. ND4 GOT punted!

Thats all I have to say....
 
Well, its been Suzuka 500, Fuji 600, something 750 is on the cards i believe. If the classes stay the same anyway.

Hmm, yeah, perhaps we should wait and see what happens with the events this week before planning anything. Theres little point in trying to work out tunes for the current events if they might change next time, they may change the PP levels, tracks, tyre choices and even the car choices....
 
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