Give us better sounds - PLEASE !!

[TokoTurismo]

You call PD a Mediocre developer and then mention those two titles?

Sorry but if there was ever an actual example of mediocre, PD is nowhere near it with the likes of EA still around pumping out rehashes on a yearly basis.

This! I can't believe some people are actually putting PD on the same level as EA. Seriously?

 

[RACECAR]

As a former customer of EA, I can pretty verify how often anything "Changes" in their games so to compare PD to them is hilarious and further illustrates my belief of how irrational the rage is. It would not surprise me if PD somehow end up on a "Worse company" pole or something (with the likes of Halliburton and what not), all because they didn't have improved sounds.

 

[another_jakhole]

Kaz's answer is that of an uncertain 5 yr old. "It may or may not make it." Dude, you're a developer. Make it happen.

That is hilariously ironic. It's... it's... que le fook?

As a former customer of EA, I can pretty verify how often anything "Changes" in their games so to compare PD to them is hilarious and further illustrates my belief of how irrational the rage is. It would not surprise me if PD somehow end up on a "Worse company" pole or something (with the likes of Halliburton and what not), all because they didn't have improved sounds.

👍

 

[TokoTurismo]

As a former customer of EA, I can pretty verify how often anything "Changes" in their games so to compare PD to them is hilarious and further illustrates my belief of how irrational the rage is. It would not surprise me if PD somehow end up on a "Worse company" pole or something (with the likes of Halliburton and what not), all because they didn't have improved sounds.

I know right? Like putting PD up as worse company ever just, because of sounds, will do any justice...... Humans... *shakes head*

And the rage as well. Oh brother. >_>

 

[Spagetti69]

I know right? Like putting PD up as worse company ever just, because of sounds, will do any justice...... Humans... *shakes head*

And the rage as well. Oh brother. >_>

The day sounds is the only issue is the day they will have nailed it............nearly.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

So, you are arguing that PD is not on the same level as EA as a great thing?

It's like saying "yes, they're can't manage development cycles, they can't improve basic aspects of the game and, yes, GT6 won't get new sounds on day one (maybe even on the forseeable future). But, hey, at least PD is not as bad as EA is".

 

[Foxiol]

The only bad thing about PD is that they stick too much to "their idea" of how a racing game should be.

Now we are making a difference thanks to the feedback and such but still some ideas "crash" with what Kaz maybe has in mind sometimes.

Sound, which is the main thing we are talking here...needs to change no matter what...cars should sound like cars. End.

 

[RACECAR]

So, you are arguing that PD is not on the same level as EA as a great thing?

It's like saying "yes, they're can't manage development cycles, they can't improve basic aspects of the game and, yes, GT6 won't get new sounds on day one (maybe even on the forseeable future). But, hey, at least PD is not as bad as EA is".

If you're aiming this at me, then no that's not what I saying. I'm saying the rage over the sounds (easily the biggest complaint in GT) hardly makes any case for PD to be a "Mediocre" developer. I get it, nobody will likely get the sound improvements they want but the belly aching is pathetic. Its amazing it hasn't already reached COD levels of insanity (the kind where people start sending in death threats to the developers just because they didn't get what they wanted).

 

[TokoTurismo]

It is indeed amazing it hasn't yet. Seriously though. If that was worth to happen just because of sounds, then I'll lost all faith in humanity and GT fans. Who will be butthurt enough to do something like that?

 

[CoolColJ]

Even GTA 5 has nice warble on the gear changes and the down shift throttle blips sound really satisfying!

 

[ildd]

Even GTA 5 has nice warble on the gear changes and the down shift throttle blips sound really satisfying!

I think everyone is forgetting that Grand Theft Auto has no more than 50 vehicles.
Gran Turismo has 1063.

 

[MXH]

It is indeed amazing it hasn't yet. Seriously though. If that was worth to happen just because of sounds, then I'll lost all faith in humanity and GT fans. Who will be butthurt enough to do something like that?

I'm fairly sure that Gran Turismo attracts more sensible people in general than CoD.

 

[sparkytooth]

Atleast we're getting better sounds people, and a superior game to GT5.

I'm pretty sure GTA V has more than 50 vehicles.

 

[BoneSawTX]

Atleast we're getting better sounds people.

technically it's possible

 

[TokoTurismo]

I'm fairly sure that Gran Turismo attracts more sensible people in general than CoD.

*Phew* Glad to hear that. 👍

 

[sparkytooth]

We get angry over the fact that we have crappy sounding cars, Kaz says we'll get new sounds, probably in an update

People get angry over the fact that we MIGHT get them in an update for GT6. Calling PD mediocre, releasing an unfinished game, OMFG THEY'RE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS EA!!!!!1!!!111!!

I just don't understand.

 

[TokoTurismo]

We get angry over the fact that we have crappy sounding cars, Kaz says we'll get new sounds, probably in an update

People get angry over the fact that we MIGHT get them in an update for GT6. Calling PD mediocre.

I just don't understand.

I don't understand either bud. I'll still say that it's great that Kaz himself came out and specifically said they're working on the sounds, then bring them in via update. I see nothing wrong with that.

PD shouldn't even be considered mediocre just because of sounds... I can't believe one will think that even though their not getting GT6 anyways. >_>

 

[KinLM]

People need to change their perspective.

Instead of being angry that we don't get sounds from day 1, why not be happy that we may get them in an update before GT7?

It's not like being mad will make the sounds get fixed faster. They obviously know that it's one of our top priorities and are working on it. Why would anybody choose to be upset over this when they could just change perspective and be happy?

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't understand either bud. I'll still say that it's great that Kaz himself came out and specifically said they're working on the sounds, then bring them in via update. I see nothing wrong with that.

PD shouldn't even be considered mediocre just because of sounds... I can't believe one will think that even though their not getting GT6 anyways. >_>

Because again, that's not what he said. He said "might" and "possible" concerning new sounds in an update, not as you assert that they WILL bring them in in an update. If you're going to refer to what he said, at least be accurate.

People need to change their perspective.

Instead of being angry that we don't get sounds from day 1, why not be happy that we may get them in an update before GT7?

It's not like being mad will make the sounds get fixed faster. They obviously know that it's one of our top priorities and are working on it. Why would anybody choose to be upset over this when they could just change perspective and be happy?

Why do I need to change my perspective? There is no greater incentive for a developer to make changes than customer anger, expressed through the cash register, resulting in lower than expected sales volumes. If sales are down and the common complaint in reviews and customer feedback is the sounds just aren't good enough, then I'll guarantee you that it'll get fasttracked. Being mad, if it's mad enough, will get it done quicker.

 

[KinLM]

Because again, that's not what he said. He said "might" and "possible" concerning new sounds in an update, not as you assert that they WILL bring them in in an update. If you're going to refer to what he said, at least be accurate.

Why do I need to change my perspective? There is no greater incentive for a developer to make changes than customer anger, expressed through the cash register, resulting in lower than expected sales volumes. If sales are down and the common complaint in reviews and customer feedback is the sounds just aren't good enough, then I'll guarantee you that it'll get fasttracked. Being mad, if it's mad enough, will get it done quicker.

So you think that they aren't working on a way to try and fix it as quickly as they can right now? That's a pretty silly statement as I know you know better than that. PD isn't perfect but they've clearly acknowledged that they're working on it and considering the sound people haven't done anything else, I don't see why we should believe they're on vacation right now.

Getting mad will just cause a rushed product, which is something everybody complained about before. Maybe if a few of us learned patience then we'd be better off.

I'm not trying to justify how long it takes PD to do things, I'm just saying that there's other games to play, and there's other things for us to do than get angry at a game developer because they can't fix things fast enough.

 

[Chippy569]

I'm frustrated because with no apparent updates to sound or ai (and potentially not the menu system or paint system) there are no features yet that convince me GT6 is a new game and couldn't have been gt5 spec C or whatever. If the track editor actually lets me edit the ribbon with some actual acuity then I'm somewhat interested but somehow I (cynically, i admit) suspect the actual editor is largely the same as gt5, just bigger.

Improvement to the sound would be a huge leap against the franchise's biggest complaint, and yet what we've seen so far is no improvement and what we've been shown in demos is not encouraging.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Because again, that's not what he said. He said "might" and "possible" concerning new sounds in an update, not as you assert that they WILL bring them in in an update. If you're going to refer to what he said, at least be accurate.

Just because he said might and possible working on the sounds, doesn't mean they aren't going to do it at all. Just be glad that Kaz AT LEAST acknowledges the sound issue, ugh....

 

[RACECAR]

I'm frustrated because with no apparent updates to sound or ai (and potentially not the menu system or paint system) there are no features yet that convince me GT6 is a new game and couldn't have been gt5 spec C or whatever.

The interview from the time of the Silverstone reveal(or was it later?), it was said the game is more compact and flexible then GT5 is, which right there seems to be a indicator that while it won't look it in terms of content, it will be a different game and if compact means what I think it means, it'll be a much faster and more streamlined game (something that currently can't be said about GT5).

 

[Eager Snake]

Because again, that's not what he said. He said "might" and "possible" concerning new sounds in an update, not as you assert that they WILL bring them in in an update.

This. That's the issue, I'm tired of waiting even for a straight answer.
And don't get me wrong, I love japanese people, I love Kaz but this is getting ridiculous sometimes.
Also, as Chippy569 said, there are no real demostrations about a real improvement overall besides physics.
I mean, sure, physics are IMPORTANT, but so it is the rest of the package.
GT Academy 2013 felt great to be honest, but the other thing is that, also, the game looks awesome in paper, but then... I don't know, I used to love the "magic" of the older GTs.
There are some moments in GT5, like driving in the sunset on the Ring with the GT-R N24, one of the few cars that actually sound great but again, there is something missing.
After all, I'm waiting for the game either way, but I'm going to be very careful this time. Actually, this is going to be the first time when I'm not going to buy the game on day one. And that's "worring" for a company, at least coming from a fan you know.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

People need to change their perspective.

Instead of being angry that we don't get sounds from day 1, why not be happy that we may get them in an update before GT7?

It's not like being mad will make the sounds get fixed faster. They obviously know that it's one of our top priorities and are working on it. Why would anybody choose to be upset over this when they could just change perspective and be happy?

There is no proof of that though, they may hold it off and give it to GT7. It's a bit of an apologist type of speak, where one tells us to hold on because we may still get it for the current item or you may not. Telling us to look at the glass half full doesn't change the fact that their is no QC or QA management.

Though I agree, being mad wont change the fact sounds are still bad nor does it speed up the process however it does increase the real world ability that people may turn away from GT6 until it is fixed.

 

[Raggadish]

Wait, so the BMW Z4 GT3 car...might actully sound like this on release:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AT-jOkjf28

What??? I mean...holy crap. That is bad. I have very little hope faith GT6 will see an update to the sound. And even if it did, what says it will be any good? Especially considering someone thought that Z4 sounds okay. It feels like PD is just trying to string you along. I would LOVE it if PD at least showed an example of their progress with the new sounds.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There is no proof of that though, they may hold it off and give it to GT7. It's a bit of an apologist type of speak, where one tells us to hold on because we may still get it for the current item or you may not. Telling us to look at the glass half full doesn't change the fact that their is no QC or QA management.

Though I agree, being mad wont change the fact sounds are still bad nor does it speed up the process however it does increase the real world ability that people may turn away from GT6 until it is fixed.

It's not even a glass half full analogy. The glass is in the other room and you can't see it and Kaz is standing in the doorway saying, "There might be a glass in the next room, it's possible, and it might be half full, or it might not. I might fill it in the next year or two, or I might wait until the next game to do it, technically I can do either. Now go and buy that glass of water"

Just because he said might and possible working on the sounds, doesn't mean they aren't going to do it at all. Just be glad that Kaz AT LEAST acknowledges the sound issue, ugh....

It's politicospeak. It means nothing at all. When you tear it down logically, he committed to nothing, promised nothing, and revealed nothing we didn't already know. In other words, he said nothing. I don't include acknowledging the sound issue as something because millions of others can see it's an issue, it's not like it's a revelation of any kind, it's just stating the obvious.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's not even a glass half full analogy. The glass is in the other room and you can't see it and Kaz is standing in the doorway saying, "There might be a glass in the next room, it's possible, and it might be half full, or it might not. I might fill it in the next year or two, or I might wait until the next game to do it, technically I can do either. Now go and buy that glass of water"

I'm just saying how KinLM was making it sound, wasn't agreeing with him if you might be thinking that.

So you think that they aren't working on a way to try and fix it as quickly as they can right now? That's a pretty silly statement as I know you know better than that. PD isn't perfect but they've clearly acknowledged that they're working on it and considering the sound people haven't done anything else, I don't see why we should believe they're on vacation right now.

Getting mad will just cause a rushed product, which is something everybody complained about before. Maybe if a few of us learned patience then we'd be better off.

I'm not trying to justify how long it takes PD to do things, I'm just saying that there's other games to play, and there's other things for us to do than get angry at a game developer because they can't fix things fast enough.

Well you could assume that, but comments made by the group and history show a different story as far as sound goes. We've been told by the same group that sound was perfect and too good. Which one could gleam that due to our mortal ears compared to those at PD we couldn't appreciate such great exhaust notes, thus they need to dumb it down for us now. Also you could look at the fact that PD have been wrestling with sounds for 15+ years now and though they have had it better than other times, it has never been realistic.

Let's look at GT5 vs GT6 timelines. We know GT5 was called rushed by PD, but we also know that Sony was pushing for GT5 to finally be released which was the fault of the fans still (supposedly). That was five years that took and this is 2 years for GT6. We got several delays from GT5 which caused people to be mad because they were looking forward to their purchase only to have to wait even longer. This time we don't see any delays, but a change to "we'll give it to you in the time we say, but it wont have certain items because in the time we plan to put it out we wont have the time to finish it." So instead of delaying the game they'll give it to us, but it will needed to be patched on day 1 and that is the plan. GT5 for as much as we know wasn't planned to be patched all the time, hence the constant delays.

So I don't see how we can be rushing them, and rather people are reading into the bs rhetoric coming from the PR at PD.

 

[RACECAR]

Well you could assume that, but comments made by the group and history show a different story as far as sound goes. We've been told by the same group that sound was perfect and too good. Which one could gleam that due to our mortal ears compared to those at PD we couldn't appreciate such great exhaust notes, thus they need to dumb it down for us now. Also you could look at the fact that PD have been wrestling with sounds for 15+ years now and though they have had it better than other times, it has never been realistic.

Really? This again?

 

[Raggadish]

We know GT5 was called rushed by PD, but we also know that Sony was pushing for GT5 to finally be released which was the fault of the fans still (supposedly). That was five years that took and this is 2 years for GT6.

Do remember that between GT4 and GT5, PD developed Turist Trophy, GT HD, GT: Prologue and GT PSP. So saying GT5 took five years(actually, it's six, 2004-2010) is right, but can't really be compared to GT6 development time of three years.

We got several delays from GT5

GT5 was delayed once, and only by a couple of days.