GP of China!
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Blake
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Woooooooo! Great race by Räikkönen. Was masterful in the wet, didnt put a wheel wrong all weekend. As it turns out, he also did a really great job in qualifying with 4 laps more fuel than Hamilton. Im really enjoying seeing Kimi at Ferrari these last few races and he really seems to be coming into his own.
Massa was having a solid drive until he put slicks on, then he took a while to get going again. And then it rained a bit more. All-in-all you have to say that decision just didnt work out for him. Still, 3rd place is okay but really doesnt do anything for him as hes well out of the championship fight.
Alonso did well. Was well off the pace of Lewis, but he kept it on the island and managed the conditions well to take a well-deserved 8 points.
Lewis finally had his big mistake and really put himself under some big pressure come the race in Brazil. He was having a champions drive until he ****ed itnow we have to find out if he will be the rookie wonder or the rookie blunder in the final round.
Danny, face it: Liuzzi was beaten by a kid who had an accident under a safety car. He was also beaten by a Honda. If that is not enough to pack your bags and leave the Liuzzi camp I dont know what is!
Meanwhile Liuzzi did a great job to hold off Heidfeld for an eternity. Even better job by Vettel and STR to make the 1 stop strategy work and get some major points.
Also great job by Jenson Button. A year ago youd have a hard time believing that the result of such an impressive drive from Button, his best of the season, would be 5th.
Anywho, enough Honda bashing, back to the race itself. So much overtaking action, it was really an exciting GP. I loved the Fisichella/Heikki/Rosberg battle where the Renaults squeezed Rosberg and he freaked going into turn 1. Really tense stuff.
Schumacher also had impressive pace (as he always does for some reason in Shanghai) and then binned it. Suprise surprise. Enjoy racing in Speedcar next season Ralfie.
Very unfortunate retirement by Kubica. BMW have really dropped the ball since they stopped working on the F1.07.
Bring on Brazil!
Massa was having a solid drive until he put slicks on, then he took a while to get going again. And then it rained a bit more. All-in-all you have to say that decision just didnt work out for him. Still, 3rd place is okay but really doesnt do anything for him as hes well out of the championship fight.
Alonso did well. Was well off the pace of Lewis, but he kept it on the island and managed the conditions well to take a well-deserved 8 points.
Lewis finally had his big mistake and really put himself under some big pressure come the race in Brazil. He was having a champions drive until he ****ed itnow we have to find out if he will be the rookie wonder or the rookie blunder in the final round.
Danny, face it: Liuzzi was beaten by a kid who had an accident under a safety car. He was also beaten by a Honda. If that is not enough to pack your bags and leave the Liuzzi camp I dont know what is!
Meanwhile Liuzzi did a great job to hold off Heidfeld for an eternity. Even better job by Vettel and STR to make the 1 stop strategy work and get some major points.
Also great job by Jenson Button. A year ago youd have a hard time believing that the result of such an impressive drive from Button, his best of the season, would be 5th.
Anywho, enough Honda bashing, back to the race itself. So much overtaking action, it was really an exciting GP. I loved the Fisichella/Heikki/Rosberg battle where the Renaults squeezed Rosberg and he freaked going into turn 1. Really tense stuff.
Schumacher also had impressive pace (as he always does for some reason in Shanghai) and then binned it. Suprise surprise. Enjoy racing in Speedcar next season Ralfie.
Very unfortunate retirement by Kubica. BMW have really dropped the ball since they stopped working on the F1.07.
Bring on Brazil!
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The Saga continues...
Spanish newspaper AS is reporting that the FIA is investigating whether McLaren sabotaged Alonso's qualifying in China (and apparently in Japan aswell) by changing his tyre pressures before Q3. According to AS, Alonso's tyre pressures were changed in Q3 to 1,5 bar instead of the normal 0,2 bar.
Oh my... if this is true then I have lost all remaining respect for McLaren.
Spanish newspaper AS is reporting that the FIA is investigating whether McLaren sabotaged Alonso's qualifying in China (and apparently in Japan aswell) by changing his tyre pressures before Q3. According to AS, Alonso's tyre pressures were changed in Q3 to 1,5 bar instead of the normal 0,2 bar.
Oh my... if this is true then I have lost all remaining respect for McLaren.
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I'm guessing it was spanish tv since they seemed to have Pedro De La Rosa on at one point, but since I don't speak spanish all I could understand was "Bueno" and "Brazil", so I don't know if they were saying anything horribly biased.
However I'm sure they were biased as every national broadcast that has a driver of their own should be. The Finnish broadcast I was watching wasn't exactly mourning over the fact that Hamilton was out.
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"Miracles happen" is biased, and the general enthusiasm in their voices is also, but apart from that there's nothing special (or bad) said about Hamilton.
Darkfinal, you'll have a lot of work, because your country's commentators speak 1000 words per second ... each of them
Darkfinal, you'll have a lot of work, because your country's commentators speak 1000 words per second ... each of them
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"Miracles happen" is biased, and the general enthusiasm in their voices is also, but apart from that there's nothing special (or bad) said about Hamilton.
Darkfinal, you'll have a lot of work, because your country's commentators speak 1000 words per second ... each of them
Pffft, I can speak faster than that. ;D
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Danoff
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While I was happy to see Hamilton eliminated, it was a bitter sweet moment. I wanted Kimi to have a shot in Brazil, but giving him a shot means giving the evil one (alonso) an even better shot.
My predictions for Brazil:
Kimi +10
Alonso +8
Massa +6
Lewis +5
Meaning the final standings would be:
Lewis 112
Alonso 111
Kimi 110
That's about as close as it gets. If Massa can get in front of Alonso this time it would be Lewis, Kimi, Alonso.
Should be a historical race pretty much no matter what. Who wins in the event of an Alonso/Hamilton tie?
My predictions for Brazil:
Kimi +10
Alonso +8
Massa +6
Lewis +5
Meaning the final standings would be:
Lewis 112
Alonso 111
Kimi 110
That's about as close as it gets. If Massa can get in front of Alonso this time it would be Lewis, Kimi, Alonso.
Should be a historical race pretty much no matter what. Who wins in the event of an Alonso/Hamilton tie?
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It's not unknown for sudden downpours at Interlagos either - it could end up being a very unpredictable climax to the season.
• No team orders at McLaren with the exception of not taking each other out of the race and handing both the drivers (and obviously constructors) titles to Ferrari.
• Massa has no chance of the title - but will he want to hand the race to Kimi at his home GP?
• With Massa being a bit of a wildcard, none of the top three drivers can afford to race for placement - they all realistically need to aim for the win.
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If Alonso wins the race and it's a tie (Hamilton finishes 3rd), then Alonso will win due to having 5 wins to Hamiltons' 4. If Alonso comes second and it's a tie (Hamilton finishes 5th), Hamilton would win due to having one more 5th place (2 to Alonso's 1); they would both have 4 wins, 5 seconds, 3 thirds and 1 fourth. If Alonso comes third and it's a tie (Hamilton finishes 7th), Alonso would in due to having 1 more third place (4 to Hamilton's 3) - assuming Raikkonen doesn't win; if he does, the championship finishes like this:
Raikkonen 110
Alonso 109
Hamilton 109
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I loved the way Sebastain Vettel went nuts at the end when he finished in 4th place. It may seem minor, but after the terrible year the team has had, and the humiluation of Japan, he deserved the 4th place. Plus it is the teams best ever result. They would never have achieved that back in their days as Minardi!
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They did, 3 times
Twice in 1991 with Pierluigi Martini, once in 1993 with Christian Fittipaldi. They never had they second car finish 6th in the same race though.One other little side-stat: If McLaren hadn't been disqualified from the Constructor's championship, they would've won it in China.
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I wonder where speed would have finished. He was consistently faster that Liuzzi, so I imagine he'd have ended up right about where Vettel ended up. I'm guessing Vettel is a step up from Speed, but it's hard to tell until he starts ranking significantly higher than Liuzzi in the results.
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The moral here is never to believe a word James Allen says. I found myself yelling, "they've had a few fourths before" at the c*ck when he said that.They did, 3 times
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I stand corrected. It is their best result as STR. Lets get it right this time! 👍They did, 3 times
One other little side-stat: If McLaren hadn't been disqualified from the Constructor's championship, they would've won it in China.
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...except that you can't because the meaningful statistics back it up.
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Ok, let's have a look, discounting double DNFs (and there were plenty of them).
In the 2006 season, Scott finished in a better position than Tonio in 8 races. Liuzzi beat Scott in the remaining 10 races.
Vitantonio outqualified his team-mate at Bahrain, Australia, San Marino, Nurburgring, Spain, Monaco, Silverstone, Canada, Germany, Hungary, Japan and Brazil, whilst more than once making the jump to Q2.
In the 2007 season, Scott finished above Tonio 3 times to Tonio's 2 better positions.
And as far as qualifying goes, Tonio outpaced Speed in Malaysia, Bahrain, Spain, Monaco, Canada and Scott's home track, Indianapolis.
After Mr. Speed was unceremoniously ditched, Liuzzi then outqualified Vettel in Hungary, Turkey, Belgium and China.
Liuzzi finished in a more desirable position than Vettel at Germany, Hungary, Turkey, Italy, Belgium and Japan.
While Scott has had a few in-team victories over Tonio, it would be a push to call them regular, let alone consistent.
Please give me these meaningful sources that show Scott consistently outpaced Tonio.
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That's true, Scott wasn't the best at qualifying. But he typically passed Liuzzi before turn 1.
Vettel's break-in period with the team is immaterial.
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Well, you almost shut me up. 
That's quite fascinating, but it doesn't explain all the better finishes by Tonio.
Also, since Speed TV are American, aren't they more likely to handpick results to show Scott in a better light?
Missing out vitals stats, like points, average qualifying and average finishing position?
That's quite fascinating, but it doesn't explain all the better finishes by Tonio.
Also, since Speed TV are American, aren't they more likely to handpick results to show Scott in a better light?
Missing out vitals stats, like points, average qualifying and average finishing position?
