Gran Turismo 6 E3 2013, General discussion(Live streaming links).
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I'm just glad we were able to get more than just a trailer. Thanks Jordan.
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Yeah, he made out that time/weather change on every track is an extremely hard thing to develop.
At least we know the new tracks will have it, and maybe autumn ring.
Really need some clarification on the customization but I get the feeling we won't really know until we boot up the game in our consoles.
At least we know the new tracks will have it, and maybe autumn ring.
Really need some clarification on the customization but I get the feeling we won't really know until we boot up the game in our consoles.
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- VenomViper22
Very good interview, Jordan! 👍
So the sounds and AI in the demos are placeholders... I hope they do improve those for the final build.
I also hope that all those things that "haven't been decided yet" or "might not be ready for GT6 in time" can be added later in an update or something.
So the sounds and AI in the demos are placeholders... I hope they do improve those for the final build.
I also hope that all those things that "haven't been decided yet" or "might not be ready for GT6 in time" can be added later in an update or something.
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- diegorborges82
Really nice interview. It's nice to see them finally admitting that the sounds need a proper rebuild and that they're working hard in this aspect.
And that these sounds in the demo are not final. It only can get better!
It's really the only thing in the interview that made me a bit sad. But for the rest, I'm really happy to hear that both AI and sounds are getting a rebuild.
And that these sounds in the demo are not final. It only can get better!
It's really the only thing in the interview that made me a bit sad. But for the rest, I'm really happy to hear that both AI and sounds are getting a rebuild.
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- maxpontiac
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See. I and others said the sounds were just placeholders, but NOOOO they didn't want to believe us. 
I knew Kaz and PD do listen to the fans. 👍
I knew Kaz and PD do listen to the fans. 👍
I get that it's difficult to develop in general but I can't fathom out why it's hard to apply to every track. They're all just 3D environments, surely the lighting engine is universal and can just be applied to any track. Sure each track needs individually lighting in terms of the trackside lights/buildings etc but actually making each track have a day/night cycle should be simple and I doubt it would take that long for the artists to light the tracks.
Unless someone can explain why it's not that easy?
See. I and others said the sounds were just placeholders, but NOOOO they didn't want to believe us.
I knew Kaz and PD do listen to the fans. 👍
I'll believe it when I hear it.
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Alright than.
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But that's what I'm saying, once you've spent the huge amount of time developing the systems in general I can't work out what then takes them so long to add it to all of the tracks, or at least most of them.
I'm mainly going by what I've seen with Project CARS. SMS added a day/night lighting system and it was added to every track in one go. It was a universal lighting system. To start with most tracks were just pitch black at night with only your headlights to guide you and then they began adding floodlights/building lights etc to lighten them up.
This is a team much smaller than even PD and with only 2 years work, so I'm struggling to work out where the time issue is.
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Yeah, it's obvious it wouldn't be a strenuous job if it was so easy to implement to a RECENTLY new track, there's no reason to not put it on every track.
Seems almost silly not to when you have it right there ready to go.
This is just one of the things that contribute to the whole "unfinished game" feeling people have.
Seems almost silly not to when you have it right there ready to go.
This is just one of the things that contribute to the whole "unfinished game" feeling people have.
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- maxpontiac
Like I said I appreciate that the initital time/weather development takes a long time and isn't easy by any means, what I'm questioning is why it then seems to take just as long adding it to each track when logic suggests to me it should be universal. If that other team were given enough time to implement time/weather that they clearly needed I'd have also found it odd if it were only on a few tracks.
To be clear here I'm not bashing PD, I fully understand that what they've achieved on the PS3 with night/weather is exceptional. I'm simply reaching out and trying to understand what the issue is because from the outside it seems odd. I know there are people here who know about this sort of thing.
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- Nato777
The problem lies in the fact that all the other tracks were created with a specific time of day in mind. I suspect that means certain objects, textures etc have specific lighting attributes (such as always in the shade). It may be that those tracks would need to be remodeled to be 'neutral' before a time change lighting could be applied.
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The method of time change might be different too, an auto global lighting method vs manual specific time method with manual refinement.
Other games might have a preprogrammed routines that translate time changes automatically on all track via global lighting changes, PD might use hourly lighting reference with a set of textures/lighting changes preset made, then PD puts finer details within minutes range and making sure the tracks looks realistic in transition for the whole 24 hours, not just simple time changes routine for all tracks.
One thing that I wanted from PD is to include real seasonal changes throughout the year that can be set by user or follow real world time changes via online real time update. This means snow, storm, summer, autumn, winter, rain, depend on the track location.
Other games might have a preprogrammed routines that translate time changes automatically on all track via global lighting changes, PD might use hourly lighting reference with a set of textures/lighting changes preset made, then PD puts finer details within minutes range and making sure the tracks looks realistic in transition for the whole 24 hours, not just simple time changes routine for all tracks.
One thing that I wanted from PD is to include real seasonal changes throughout the year that can be set by user or follow real world time changes via online real time update. This means snow, storm, summer, autumn, winter, rain, depend on the track location.
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That sounds great in theory, but also like a great deal of work. Seasonal changes would be mostly cosmetic (flora) and really wouldn't add a great deal to the game, probably better to spend the manpower on other parts of the game (more tracks more than anything).
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