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If we assume lol cars at Silverstone are in GT6 then you can add The New Focus ST, it was in one of the pics posted from Wednesday.
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Maybe I'm wrong... but with 7 new locations, I wouldn't count Seattle, Apricot Hill or SSR11 as new. So we have 33, 7 of them never seen before, and the rest taken from GT1-5.
I would bet Spa, Motegi and probably even SSRX will be in GT6 (you could think that GT5 dlc would work on GT6, but then people that bought the latter editions of GT5, with all DLC included on the disc wouldn't have these tracks... makes no sense). Then, some of the GT5 original tracks wouldn't be in GT6, and I'd say these probably dirt and snow ones, as they can be created with a fully improved course maker... and, actually, I would love to see this)
Among the 7 completely new tracks, Silverstone and Mt Panorama have been confirmed. This would leave 5 to guess. Again, I bet on Ascari Racing Resort, I refuse to believe Polyphony Digital travelled all the way down to Spain for the solely purpose of taking pictures to a small beautiful town... Same as I'm betting on some course maker scenery for some beautiful towns or landscapes in England, due to Silverstone (Bath, York, Oxford??).
I would bet Spa, Motegi and probably even SSRX will be in GT6 (you could think that GT5 dlc would work on GT6, but then people that bought the latter editions of GT5, with all DLC included on the disc wouldn't have these tracks... makes no sense). Then, some of the GT5 original tracks wouldn't be in GT6, and I'd say these probably dirt and snow ones, as they can be created with a fully improved course maker... and, actually, I would love to see this)
Among the 7 completely new tracks, Silverstone and Mt Panorama have been confirmed. This would leave 5 to guess. Again, I bet on Ascari Racing Resort, I refuse to believe Polyphony Digital travelled all the way down to Spain for the solely purpose of taking pictures to a small beautiful town... Same as I'm betting on some course maker scenery for some beautiful towns or landscapes in England, due to Silverstone (Bath, York, Oxford??).
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The GT Academy edition (or similar versions in other continents) includes most updates on disk but to access the DLC you need to use codes that come in the box and download the access keys from the PSN.
For all purposes, it is as if you had bought the DLC separately, as they are registered in your download list and there is no problem in using them in GT6 if they choose that method.
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Indeed, it looks as if DLC (and special cars like chromelines, stealths etc.) are not included in the count.
Maybe because they'll be available as DLC again for GT6, or maybe because they just wanted to compare the core of the games and not the optional content.
I guess we'll see.
Maybe because they'll be available as DLC again for GT6, or maybe because they just wanted to compare the core of the games and not the optional content.
I guess we'll see.
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so we now have both Aston Martin's Race cars sweet 
, always wanted more british race cars other than the Lister Storm V12 Race Car ’99, Jaguar XJ220 Race Car & Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ’00
, always wanted more british race cars other than the Lister Storm V12 Race Car ’99, Jaguar XJ220 Race Car & Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ’00
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I really think both Eiger tracks (dirt and road) have to be regarded as a single location. They are separated only because the game treats dirt and road courses differently. Look here:
http://i.imgur.com/UbbkyO9.jpg
Clearly, they're part of the same location. So that makes 26 tracks with SSR7 included.
I could be wrong, of course, but it wouldn't make much sense otherwise to me.
I really think both Eiger tracks (dirt and road) have to be regarded as a single location. They are separated only because the game treats dirt and road courses differently. Look here:
http://i.imgur.com/UbbkyO9.jpg
Clearly, they're part of the same location. So that makes 26 tracks with SSR7 included.
I could be wrong, of course, but it wouldn't make much sense otherwise to me.
For official site, Eiger dirt and road is different....
Brief, I think we will have really 7 new tracks, 19 locations.
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Logic would dictate that circuits who share roads are clearly in the same location. Whether that logic can be applied to Gran Turismo is another matter, but I'd say so.
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True, but they have shown to use the most possibly inflated numbers whenever possible. They also used to count reverse layouts of original tracks as separate layouts in the past.
In the case of GT6, they're referring to the minimum amount of tracks/variations that can be be counted from GT5, because that makes the improvement in track/variation count in GT6 look bigger/better. So, 26 tracks/52 variations still fits perfectly with the existing GT5 track content, and even makes more sense than counting Eiger dirt/road as different "locations".
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Remember that the press release states that GT6 has 7 additional brand new locations/tracks and 19 additional brand new layouts/variations over GT5.
26 + 7 = 33
52 + 19 = 71
With simple math, we can infer that the existing "vanilla" GT5 track/variation content is not going to be removed.
What is not clear if they mean it literally, that is, by specifically referring to the initially released "vanilla" version of GT5, called "GT5".
26 + 7 = 33
52 + 19 = 71
With simple math, we can infer that the existing "vanilla" GT5 track/variation content is not going to be removed.
What is not clear if they mean it literally, that is, by specifically referring to the initially released "vanilla" version of GT5, called "GT5".
Let's go simply by PD stats/numbers, nothing else. No assumptions, no guessing, just pure PD numbers on the latest version of their website.
Ok so for GT5 their website states:
It then lists those locations and variations. They include the four DLC locations and include reverse tracks as layouts but they don't use time/weather as seperate layouts.
Locations:
Layouts:
Ok that is the latest, official list for GT5 by PD as of today. Those are the official designations for layouts and tracks. 31 Locations, 81 Layouts.
Now onto GT6.
Ok so straight away those pure numbers do not add up. If the total were now 33 that is only an increase of two, not seven. Also the number of layouts is a lot less despite the claims that 19 are brand new so clearly their goalposts on what is a layout changes. Sometime it includes a time/weather change, sometimes it includes a reverse track. So now is where we have to break away from official numbers slightly but still not using any guessing to work out how they got to those numbers. First of all locations. They claim 33 and that seven are new, that obviously means they're suggesting that there are only 26 layouts in GT5.
So using their official, latest designation of what is a layout, how do we get to that number from their current 31? Well we can remove the four DLC locations
Locations:
As that seems the logical first step but as has been mentioned before, this leaves us with still one more than they claim. Somewhere then clearly PD are mixing up numbers or again changing the goalposts on what is a location. Since PD also openly state that ALL GT5 tracks will return SHIRAKAWA's explanation seems the most plausible. We can't remove a unique location so it has to be that they're merging the two Eiger Nordwand locations, currently listed twice. That is the most logical way that PD have got to 26 locations in GT5.
So what can we take from that? Well it's very simple, if they're not counting DLC locations as current GT5 locations that doesn't mean they're automatically in the "All GT5 tracks will return category", and they may not return, at least on the disc.
So in conclusion I see there are only three possible situations going only by PDs numbers and one small assumption:
A. All of the current 31 locations including DLC locations are returning to GT6 on the disc, renumbered as 30 through merging the Eiger locations into one. The further three locations to get to the number 33 are brand new.
B. Only the 27 original locations of GT5 are returning to GT6 on the disc, renumbered to 26 through merging the Eiger locations into one. The further seven locations to get to the number 33 are brand new and the four GT5 DLC tracks are not returning at all.
C. Only the 27 original locations of GT5 are returning to GT6 on the disc, renumbered to 26 through merging the Eiger locations into one. The further seven locations to get to the number 33 are brand new and the four GT5 DLC tracks will continue as DLC for GT6. They will not be on the disc.
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Ok now layouts.
For GT6:
For GT5:
Again clearly these numbers do not match, them saying GT5 already has ten layouts more than GT6 will, despite also saying 19 are brand new. So from the GT6 statement they're actually changing the GT5 number to 52. Again we have to now make some assumptions how they came to that number but the most logical are again removing the DLC layouts. That still leaves us at 71 however so the next logical step is removing the reverse layouts
As you can see that gets us to the correct 52 number. So now again we can decree something similar to the locations. Either they're all coming back including DLC, renumbered to 61 and there are actually only 10 new layouts, the DLC layouts are not returning at all or they are remaining as DLC and there are indeed 17 new layouts.
Ok so for GT5 their website states:
It then lists those locations and variations. They include the four DLC locations and include reverse tracks as layouts but they don't use time/weather as seperate layouts.
Locations:
- Fuji Speedway
- Suzuka Circuit
- Daytona
- Tsukuba
- Circuit De La Sarthe
- Nurburgring
- Indianapolis
- Monza
- Top Gear Test Track
- Laguna Seca
- Spa Francorchamps
- Motegi
- High Speed Ring
- Cape Ring
- Autumn Ring
- Deep Forest Raceway
- Grand Valley Speedway
- Eiger Nordwand
- Trial Mountain
- Kart Space
- Special Stage Route X
- London
- Rome
- Madrid
- Tokyo R246
- Cote d'Azur
- Special Stage Route 5
- Special Stage Route 7
- Eiger Nordwand (Snow & Dirt)
- Toscana
- Chamonix
Layouts:
- Fuji Speedway F
- Fuji Speedway GT
- Suzuka Circuit
- Suzuka Circuit East Course
- Superspeedway - Daytona
- Road Course - Daytona
- Tsukuba Circuit
- Circuit de la Sarthe 2009
- Circuit de la Sarthe 2009 (No Chicanes)
- Circuit de la Sarthe 2005
- Circuit de la Sarthe 2005 (No Chicanes)
- Nürburgring - Nordschleife
- Nürburgring GP / F
- Nürburgring 24h
- Nürburgring GP / D
- Nürburgring Type V
- Superspeedway - Indy
- Road Course - Indy
- Autodromo Nazionale Monza
- Autodromo Nazionale Monza No Chicanes
- The Top Gear Test Track
- Laguna Seca Raceway
- Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
- Road Course - Twin Ring Motegi
- Twin Ring Motegi West Course
- Twin Ring Motegi East Course
- Super Speedway - Twin Ring Motegi
- High Speed Ring
- High Speed Ring / Reverse
- Cape Ring
- Cape Ring Inside
- Cape Ring North
- Cape Ring Perifery
- Cape Ring South
- Autumn Ring
- Autumn Ring / Reverse
- Autumn Ring Mini
- Autumn Ring Mini / Reverse
- Deep Forest Raceway
- Deep Forest Raceway / Reverse
- Grand Valley Speedway
- Grand Valley Speedway / Reverse
- Grand Valley East
- Grand Valley East / Reverse
- Eiger Nordwand Short Track
- Eiger Nordwand Short Track / Reverse
- Trial Mountain Circuit
- Trial Mountain Circuit / Reverse
- Kart Space I
- Kart Space I / Reverse
- Kart Space II
- Kart Space II / Reverse
- Special Stage Route X Oval
- London
- London / Reverse
- Rome
- Rome / Reverse
- Circuito de Madrid
- Circuito de Madrid / Reverse
- Circuito de Madrid Mini
- Circuito de Madrid Mini / Reverse
- Tokyo R246
- Tokyo R246 / Reverse
- Côte d'Azur
- Special Stage Route 5 / Night
- Special Stage Route 5 / Reverse / Night
- Clubman Stage Route 5 / Night
- Clubman Stage Route 5 / Reverse / Nigh
- Special Stage Route 7 / Night
- Eiger Nordwand K Trail
- Eiger Nordwand K Trail / Reverse
- Eiger Nordwand G Trail
- Eiger Nordwand G Trail / Reverse
- Eiger Nordwand W Trail
- Eiger Nordwand W Trail / Reverse
- Toscana
- Toscana / Reverse
- Chamonix Main
- Chamonix East
- Chamonix West
- Chamonix Mini
Ok that is the latest, official list for GT5 by PD as of today. Those are the official designations for layouts and tracks. 31 Locations, 81 Layouts.
Now onto GT6.
Ok so straight away those pure numbers do not add up. If the total were now 33 that is only an increase of two, not seven. Also the number of layouts is a lot less despite the claims that 19 are brand new so clearly their goalposts on what is a layout changes. Sometime it includes a time/weather change, sometimes it includes a reverse track. So now is where we have to break away from official numbers slightly but still not using any guessing to work out how they got to those numbers. First of all locations. They claim 33 and that seven are new, that obviously means they're suggesting that there are only 26 layouts in GT5.
So using their official, latest designation of what is a layout, how do we get to that number from their current 31? Well we can remove the four DLC locations
Locations:
- Fuji Speedway
- Suzuka Circuit
- Daytona
- Tsukuba
- Circuit De La Sarthe
- Nurburgring
- Indianapolis
- Monza
- Top Gear Test Track
- Laguna Seca
- High Speed Ring
- Cape Ring
- Autumn Ring
- Deep Forest Raceway
- Grand Valley Speedway
- Eiger Nordwand
- Trial Mountain
- London
- Rome
- Madrid
- Tokyo R246
- Cote d'Azur
- Special Stage Route 5
- Special Stage Route 7
- Eiger Nordwand (Snow & Dirt)
- Toscana
- Chamonix
As that seems the logical first step but as has been mentioned before, this leaves us with still one more than they claim. Somewhere then clearly PD are mixing up numbers or again changing the goalposts on what is a location. Since PD also openly state that ALL GT5 tracks will return SHIRAKAWA's explanation seems the most plausible. We can't remove a unique location so it has to be that they're merging the two Eiger Nordwand locations, currently listed twice. That is the most logical way that PD have got to 26 locations in GT5.
So what can we take from that? Well it's very simple, if they're not counting DLC locations as current GT5 locations that doesn't mean they're automatically in the "All GT5 tracks will return category", and they may not return, at least on the disc.
So in conclusion I see there are only three possible situations going only by PDs numbers and one small assumption:
A. All of the current 31 locations including DLC locations are returning to GT6 on the disc, renumbered as 30 through merging the Eiger locations into one. The further three locations to get to the number 33 are brand new.
B. Only the 27 original locations of GT5 are returning to GT6 on the disc, renumbered to 26 through merging the Eiger locations into one. The further seven locations to get to the number 33 are brand new and the four GT5 DLC tracks are not returning at all.
C. Only the 27 original locations of GT5 are returning to GT6 on the disc, renumbered to 26 through merging the Eiger locations into one. The further seven locations to get to the number 33 are brand new and the four GT5 DLC tracks will continue as DLC for GT6. They will not be on the disc.
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Ok now layouts.
For GT6:
For GT5:
Again clearly these numbers do not match, them saying GT5 already has ten layouts more than GT6 will, despite also saying 19 are brand new. So from the GT6 statement they're actually changing the GT5 number to 52. Again we have to now make some assumptions how they came to that number but the most logical are again removing the DLC layouts. That still leaves us at 71 however so the next logical step is removing the reverse layouts
- Fuji Speedway F
- Fuji Speedway GT
- Suzuka Circuit
- Suzuka Circuit East Course
- Superspeedway - Daytona
- Road Course - Daytona
- Tsukuba Circuit
- Circuit de la Sarthe 2009
- Circuit de la Sarthe 2009 (No Chicanes)
- Circuit de la Sarthe 2005
- Circuit de la Sarthe 2005 (No Chicanes)
- Nürburgring - Nordschleife
- Nürburgring GP / F
- Nürburgring 24h
- Nürburgring GP / D
- Nürburgring Type V
- Superspeedway - Indy
- Road Course - Indy
- Autodromo Nazionale Monza
- Autodromo Nazionale Monza No Chicanes
- The Top Gear Test Track
- Laguna Seca Raceway
- High Speed Ring
- Cape Ring
- Cape Ring Inside
- Cape Ring North
- Cape Ring Perifery
- Cape Ring South
- Autumn Ring
- Autumn Ring Mini
- Deep Forest Raceway
- Grand Valley Speedway
- Grand Valley East
- Eiger Nordwand Short Track
- Trial Mountain Circuit
- London
- Rome
- Circuito de Madrid
- Circuito de Madrid Mini
- Tokyo R246
- Côte d'Azur
- Special Stage Route 5 / Night
- Clubman Stage Route 5 / Night
- Special Stage Route 7 / Night
- Eiger Nordwand K Trail
- Eiger Nordwand G Trail
- Eiger Nordwand W Trail
- Toscana
- Chamonix Main
- Chamonix East
- Chamonix West
- Chamonix Mini
As you can see that gets us to the correct 52 number. So now again we can decree something similar to the locations. Either they're all coming back including DLC, renumbered to 61 and there are actually only 10 new layouts, the DLC layouts are not returning at all or they are remaining as DLC and there are indeed 17 new layouts.
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D. Only the 27 original locations of GT5 are returning to GT6 on the disc, renumbered to 26 through merging the Eiger locations into one. The further seven locations to get to the number 33 are brand new and the four GT5 DLC tracks will continue as DLC for GT6 (free for who purchased the gt5 dlcs (cross-buy), and/or as a pre-order bonus). They will be on the disc but locked (Capcom style) 
D. Only the 27 original locations of GT5 are returning to GT6 on the disc, renumbered to 26 through merging the Eiger locations into one. The further seven locations to get to the number 33 are brand new and the four GT5 DLC tracks will continue as DLC for GT6 (free for who purchased the gt5 dlcs (cross-buy), and/or as a pre-order bonus). They will be on the disc but locked (Capcom style)
That is the other slight variation on C possible, yes. Either way they're both awful solutions.
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I did. And while it's certainly a legit theory (and a well backed up one at that), it's far from fact. Given that it is PD we're talking about, it could be any number of odd things. Either way, if they actually count Spa, Motegi etc. as completely new tracks, then I'm sure we'll let them know how we feel about that
.They need to quit BS like that.
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Are Sony/PD backing from their claims?
Link from Google Cache
http://i.imgur.com/GU6RFOi.png
Today's link:
http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/news/articles/detail/item610202/Buckle-up-for-Gran-Turismo-6/
No mention of Bathurst anymore.
Link from Google Cache
http://i.imgur.com/GU6RFOi.png
Today's link:
http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/news/articles/detail/item610202/Buckle-up-for-Gran-Turismo-6/
No mention of Bathurst anymore.
RE: Eiger
I have no idea how much weight this has in deciding what becomes a 'location', but consider these two shots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oStDfzn6X1Q#t=27s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HetnxBu2El8#t=33s
Clearly at this point the modelling of the entrance dirt track is different, the road course being cleanly tarmacked as in Prologue, the trail having a dirt model with no sign of tarmac. The two tracks within this respect use different models, if they shared one I could imagine the road version having a similar dirt pattern. I'm not sure how track models are used in GT, whether there's a 'base' for each location which is then adapted with set barriers added in, or whether each variation has it's own separate model on the disk. In either case, this lack of continuity between the dirt and road versions is making me think the Dirt version of Eiger counts at least to the track development team at PD as a different 'location', if one still heavily borrowed from another. I'm not sure.
I have no idea how much weight this has in deciding what becomes a 'location', but consider these two shots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oStDfzn6X1Q#t=27s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HetnxBu2El8#t=33s
Clearly at this point the modelling of the entrance dirt track is different, the road course being cleanly tarmacked as in Prologue, the trail having a dirt model with no sign of tarmac. The two tracks within this respect use different models, if they shared one I could imagine the road version having a similar dirt pattern. I'm not sure how track models are used in GT, whether there's a 'base' for each location which is then adapted with set barriers added in, or whether each variation has it's own separate model on the disk. In either case, this lack of continuity between the dirt and road versions is making me think the Dirt version of Eiger counts at least to the track development team at PD as a different 'location', if one still heavily borrowed from another. I'm not sure.
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Are Sony/PD backing from their claims?
Link from Google Cache
http://i.imgur.com/GU6RFOi.png
Today's link:
http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/news/articles/detail/item610202/Buckle-up-for-Gran-Turismo-6/
No mention of Bathurst anymore.
I imagine they edited it because it wasn't meant to give away that Bathurst would be included in GT6, just yet.
Didn't know this. Then, I have to agree with your reasoning, I also find it highly likely that all of GT5 DLC will also be GT6 DLC, à la LittleBigPlanet.
For GT5, Seattle, Apricot Hill or SSR11 are new
I know they were not in GT5, but I wouldn't be happy if PD announced these tracks as "new" for GT6, as they are not new at all to the Gran Turismo series.
It looks like, due to their appearance in some trailers, these tracks will somehow be in GT6. But why does everybody state that *every* location that was in GT5 will be in GT6? Probably some of the original tracks that were in GT5 in PS2 quality won't be there day one, some might have been revamped already and therefore in the disc, others probably given away as free DLC later on. I'm also assuming both Toscana and Chamonix won't be there, as they can be simulated through the course maker. So, let's just replace Toscana, Chamonix and, I don't know, Deep Forest? and replace them with Seattle, SSR11 and Apricot Hill. Numbers would match, and these tracks aren't new, as they have been before in Gran Turismo.
I'm confident that the 7 new locations will be brand new to the Gran Turismo world, not just GT5.
