Gran Turismo 7’s March Update is Coming Next Week with Three New Cars
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When I was doing a league event on Saturday every time we did a Group 2 event heaps of random people piled in because it was the only lobby open with more than five people.
I don't think anyone would be falling over to race a Renault Kangoo or 90% of the cars PD have added because they just aren't fun enough to find other people to race them with
PD must put in features that make their pointless road car choices fun.
Such as:
Good AI
Shuffle Racing
More comprehensive reward system
Lockable tunes for lobbies
Grid Starts
I don't think anyone would be falling over to race a Renault Kangoo or 90% of the cars PD have added because they just aren't fun enough to find other people to race them with
PD must put in features that make their pointless road car choices fun.
Such as:
Good AI
Shuffle Racing
More comprehensive reward system
Lockable tunes for lobbies
Grid Starts
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I will gladly take ANY car added, it does not change how I play or will play. I only use the cars I want to, but it's nice to know that I have options to try others if I so desire. That is the essence of Gran Turismo, and I am happy other users are excited to get the cars (or some of) they are looking forward to trying out. I myself am longing for the C5 Corvette to return, but the game is not ruined for me by it's absence.
If you are not happy with the additions, don't buy them or use them, no one is pressuring you to do so. Or go play a game that HAS what you are looking for.
My $0.02!
If you are not happy with the additions, don't buy them or use them, no one is pressuring you to do so. Or go play a game that HAS what you are looking for.
My $0.02!
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I for one would welcome more older race cars, regardless of class; especially from the mid to late 90s. Majority of newer GT3/Evo cars suffer from the same issue as Hypercars both roadcars and racecars, the cars are all too similar and predictable now which therefore makes them kind of boring. While 2/3 of the upcoming cars are not to my liking, they will still make for good filler when simulating traffic for street races.
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the Interceptor
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I like the idea, but I think the name would maybe need to be changed to not sound as insulting. How about Mobile Mommas?
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I'm not much of a hypercar guy (always been more into Group C personally), but I'm sure you can understand why a car that has no real-world basis wouldn't serve as a worthy replacement to an actual LMH car, alongside the history and legacy that may come with it. This applies even more so for the Ferrari VGT vs. the 499P, considering it's already won Le Mans twice.Maybe if they would make a Gr1 variant of the lambo V12 VGT (which would genuinely be awesome personally) we wouldn't have this problem, but no, I'd much rather more normal cars at this rate
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They should seriously look themselves in the mirror and say
"Jeez, why are we not making themed updates?"
"Jeez, why are we not making themed updates?"
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True. We do have 12 months of a year, every month could be something different, EU month, JPN month, USA month, hot hatch month, historic car month, race car month etc. etc.
Would go a long way in pleasing everyone.
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Gran Turismo 4 was more like that. So many cars in the game, they could afford to have just the one make, but that included like twelve trims of the one car! We also got the M car events, Alfa events and the Pleiades races and Boxer engine races. Stuff that PD could be reusing now. I can’t believe we still don’t have a Straight-Six Contingent race.
As for possible events for GT7, we have enough for PD to utilise different types of cars.
We have four vans in the game:
- HiMedic
- HiAce
- Alphard
- Samba Bus
We have six “SUVs” in the game:
- Urus
- C-HR
- Ioniq N
- Jimny XC
- Jimny Sierra
- Willys
Biggest group of non sports coupes, hot hatches and hypercars are the Non-racing/Non-Safety sedans:
- DS21
- 190 E
- Crown
- WRX STI ‘14
- WRX STI ‘04
- Lancer EVO III
- Lancer EVO IV
- Lancer EVO V
- Lancer EVO VI
- Lancer EVO VIII
- Lancer EVO IX
- Lancer EVO X
- Hellcat
- Model 3
- Taycan
- AFEELA
- RX-8
- G70
- Giulia GTAm
Only two pick up trucks(now three) and those have had their own events since the start.
Gran Turismo 2 and 4 had the best events for different types of cars. The wagon races, super saloon(something like that) races, races with all convertibles in the game. Cool stuff.
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Why?
Assuming that over a period it's not going to change what we get, just when we get it, why would getting three cars from one country in an update particularly please anyone?
What you're suggesting isn't better simply because it's themed though, you've added in basically licensed FIA WRC and ASO content, and a new track... We don't get that, themed or not, at the moment anyway... In practice we'd still only get what we're getting now, it would just be grouped differently. I don't really see the benefit in that versus having relative variety in each update.
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Well, what's in it for them?
Since the updates are free, there's not really any incentive, except slightly more interesting PR maybe.
However, assuming the updates are released as soon as cars get ready - which @Famine presented very convincing evidence for - themed updates would introduce more scheduling headaches, aka more planning effort, more overhead, less efficiency.
That's strictly from a business standpoint, as a player it would be very welcome of course. Having update cars that you can race against each other would be cool.
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I don't necessarily think updates need to be themed, but I think a bit of thought into how cars in updates are grouped would help PD stem a few complaints.
Like, I just think they need someone to go "if you're releasing two VGTs, you need something with a broader appeal than a Jimny to go alongside them" in January 2024, for example.
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It gets crammed into Gr.3 BOP.
That either makes or breaks the car, and usually the latter; we all remember the should-it-or-shouldn't-it Gr.1/Gr.2 discussion on the TS020, and not only did it end up in Gr.2 it's a terrible Gr.2 car (like the McLaren F1 GTR LT and the CLK LM) because the Gr.2 BOP is bad.
The life cycle of the 720S GT3 Evo, or any new-replacement Gr.3 car, would be very approximately:
- Is added to the game
- People excitedly buy/try it (and it features in a Time Trial in its update month)
- A load of real world replica liveries, plus some McLaren F1-inspired livieries, and a bunch of brand-bending and one-colours, get uploaded
- Sucks bad for Daily Races compared to whatever the META is at the time
- Almost everyone but people who already drove the 650S abandons it
- You might spot one during a GTWS Exhibition Season race every four or five grids in six months' time (among all the BMW/Lexus/Mercedes/Porsche/Toyota entries that make up 95% of any grid outside top split).
A lot of the people who want "new GT3 cars" - specifically those to replace those that already exist, like the M6/M4, 720/650, 296/458, 991/992 and so on - generally want either the specific new GT3 car they really care about, or a new competitive car... to spam races until everyone gets sick of seeing it and complains until it gets nerfed, eventually, but only because it might ruin GTWS qualifying. That latter item is very, very heavily dependent on Gr.3 BOP, and pretty much all that happens there is the new one replaces the old one and the old one gets nerfed. Status quo, and online demands for another new GT3 car, remains.
Again, I'd personally like to see a lot of the Gr.3 cars updated too - the 720S more than others - and I totally get that call, especially as GT has gone the route of Every Other Racing Esport and picked GT3 as the least slow but still accessible racing class to highlight, but I always appreciate new experiences more than more of the same. Where a replacement/updated GT3 model would be more or less a reskin with new audio (less so for VR2 players, I happily concede, but that's still a niche), the Kangoo would be a new experience. And I do enjoy preservation-of-momentum-slow more than knife-edge-fast.
But I'd far rather have a new track*. One car is 118 new experiences (105 if it can't be used on dirt), while one track is 526 new experiences (1052 if it has a reverse layout). There's no contest.
*One that can actually host races without encouraging divebombs and bottlenecking: Eiger is great for time trialling and low-PP races, but not anything else; Grand Valley is an awkward race track now, too narrow in places and without most of the overtaking spots; Lake Louise is Lake Louise.
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Very interesting way to put it. And I would point out that the vast majority of cars can be changed a lot with upgrades and thus provide more different experiences - but of course that goes both ways here.
In any case your point is a very good one, noone's gonna take a new car to 20+ tracks just because, but with a new track you'd certainly try tons of different cars there.
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Nice summary by Famine. Still, a few current GT3's would be a power move. M4, C8, updated Mustang... And how about that Pozzi Camaro, and some LMP 900's (Judd V10 done right, please!). Add Sebring and Elkhart Lake, and watch the fireworks.
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I'm not even a Sport Mode player and I'd still be interested in some new racecars for offline use (Custom Race mode in particular).
I can definitely understand not wanting cars that are already very similar to their previous models, such as "Evo" cars (even though that's pretty much what the new Mercedes & Nissan GT3's are).
Also models that visually are still very similar, like how the Ferrari 488 is very similar to the 458 we already have.
One particularly noteworthy omission in my opinion though is that there isn't a rear-engine Porsche in Gr.3. Due to the engine placement, that would offer more of a unique driving experience than most of the latest GT3 cars, compared to what we already have.
If Polyphony had the Porsche licence in GT6, we likely would've had the 2011 Porsche 911 (997) that won the Nürburgring 24H, as that slots in the middle of the BMW M3 & Audi R8 that won in 2010 & 2012 respectively.
I can definitely understand not wanting cars that are already very similar to their previous models, such as "Evo" cars (even though that's pretty much what the new Mercedes & Nissan GT3's are).
Also models that visually are still very similar, like how the Ferrari 488 is very similar to the 458 we already have.
One particularly noteworthy omission in my opinion though is that there isn't a rear-engine Porsche in Gr.3. Due to the engine placement, that would offer more of a unique driving experience than most of the latest GT3 cars, compared to what we already have.
If Polyphony had the Porsche licence in GT6, we likely would've had the 2011 Porsche 911 (997) that won the Nürburgring 24H, as that slots in the middle of the BMW M3 & Audi R8 that won in 2010 & 2012 respectively.
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Yea, that is true and highlights PD's struggle to BoP cars. When the 2018 GTR came out, for example, it was very slow. Eventually, PD ebbed & flowed it to have a decent BoP (likely using the players as the beta testers). It went from quite bad, to META, to decent, to good. Just one example; I'd hate for that to be a reason they're not putting more Gr cars in the game, though.
Just my opinion based on how I play and the people in my "inner GT7 circle" play the game, but Gr cars have much longer legs than obscure road cars. Meaning, the play-time/car seems greater. We see them in Dailies virtually every week, they're used in GTWS races (and often Nations races as well), the league races I am involved in primarily use them, the streamers/YTers I watch use them, etc. I feel cars like the Unimog have a honeymoon phase that makes them super fun for a short period of time, and then they're all but forgotten. At this point, though, I've given up hope on updated GT3 cars so onward we go.
That being said, I'd love to see some new tracks. I don't much count Eiger or Lake Louise because they're basically useless to race on IMO. I just long for the day that PD released Road Atlanta and followed up with the spec Miata there for Daily C. What a blast.
Of course this is Kaz's BBQ and we're all along for the ride so to speak. I truthfully hope some/a lot of people are getting long term enjoyment out of the updates.
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Probably not a reason for not adding them, just a reason that I'm not really super-enthused about it. Again though, a United Autosports McLaren 720S GT3 Evo... yes, very please. More than a Kangoo? For me... no. A Kangoo more than a regular 720S/750S? Also no - but a Kangoo is way more "Gran Turismo".
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I think when it comes to the whole race cars vs. road cars argument, it's also worth considering that a lot of the more... outspoken advocates for updated race cars that you may see online, hardly ever drive anything else in the game.
Usually they just log on to do the Sport mode dailies and maybe a GTWS race, and as a result they think the cars used in those events are what everyone wants - even if photo and livery page numbers tell the exact opposite story. In fact I've even been told before that "nobody wants to race an 80s hatchback" in response to the EF Civic being added - and if that isn't a limited worldview, I don't know what is.
Usually they just log on to do the Sport mode dailies and maybe a GTWS race, and as a result they think the cars used in those events are what everyone wants - even if photo and livery page numbers tell the exact opposite story. In fact I've even been told before that "nobody wants to race an 80s hatchback" in response to the EF Civic being added - and if that isn't a limited worldview, I don't know what is.
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