Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[TS050]

Once again this thread is jumping to wild, unfounded conclusions

 

[NickXP]

Oh come on, it doesn’t even look as good as gt sport in some scenes. However the way in which the car’s indicators blink look very GTSPORT-ish if that makes any sense.

Here we are, over-analysing a trailer for a new car that makes no mention of Gran Turismo, trying to find any hint that it is is any way related to Gran Turismo, because the manufacturer of the car in question has previously been partnered with PD and the last time we received news about GT7 was 8th December and that was for about half a second of new footage and a change to the anticipated release window.

GT7 is supposed to release in the first half of 2021, based on PD's communication regarding the game, I struggle to see how this could come out in the next 5 months unfortunately.

It's something called desperation

 

[FoRiZon]

It's something called desperation

People are not going to die from starvation for having no new Gran Turismo Infos anyways.

Its just a game. It'll come when it's ready.

Spoiler

I thought Cyberpunk 2077 already teach us some lessons about this.

 

[alex511]

Wait for February.. I have read rumors about a new state of play, main topic with destruction allstars.. Maybe they take this possibility when it comes for the new Gran Turismo, too. Source i havent got, and i dont know if it will be, but the next show case will come certainly ;-)

 

[NickXP]

You're not going to die from starvation for having no new Gran Turismo Infos.

Its just a game. It'll come when it's ready.

Spoiler

I thought Cyberpunk 2077 already teach us some lessons about this.

I didn't specifically say that I am the one who is desperate...

 

[FoRiZon]

I didn't specifically say that I am the one who is desperate...

Actually, yeah. Sorry about that. Should've been "People are", not "You're".

 

[Galverstoney]

i need to pop-in and talk some things, that is 100% PD-like stuff. That's not GT7 though. That's a render with the GT7 graphics engine with some dial-backs and only that, it screams Gran Turismo to the fullest.

But that is in no way GT7, that Nissan track will not be present on the game at all, similar to those animations we saw on GT5, it's just a little simple render to show the car and not the environment, that's why it's simple, but you can see it if you know GT, it looks like those renders you see on GT Sport menu, namely the forest one. It's nice to see these renders with the new updated engine but we still have no clue what the game really looks like, bc that Trial Mountain gameplay? Placeholder, even the nice menu is subject to alot of changes.

GT7 is slowly but surely creepin upon us, first that FIA championship render, Jaguar VGT and this, all scream PD's modelling, reflection work, use of colors, clinical lightning, but aren't GT7.

Now why do I "know" or think all this? I know GT. GT sport started out looking like absolute ****, the early gameplays were looking awful and barely a step up from GT6, when it launched it was gorgeous, somehow still looks better than any PS4 racing game, GT7 will be the same, they make a lot of adjustments to their graphics until launch, much more than the average dev which shows a nice product from the beginning.

 

[Canucks_9419]

i need to pop-in and talk some things, that is 100% PD-like stuff. That's not GT7 though. That's a render with the GT7 graphics engine with some dial-backs and only that, it screams Gran Turismo to the fullest.

But that is in no way GT7, that Nissan track will not be present on the game at all, similar to those animations we saw on GT5, it's just a little simple render to show the car and not the environment, that's why it's simple, but you can see it if you know GT, it looks like those renders you see on GT Sport menu, namely the forest one. It's nice to see these renders with the new updated engine but we still have no clue what the game really looks like, bc that Trial Mountain gameplay? Placeholder, even the nice menu is subject to alot of changes.

GT7 is slowly but surely creepin upon us, first that FIA championship render, Jaguar VGT and this, all scream PD's modelling, reflection work, use of colors, clinical lightning, but aren't GT7.

Now why do I "know" or think all this? I know GT. GT sport started out looking like absolute ****, the early gameplays were looking awful and barely a step up from GT6, when it launched it was gorgeous, somehow still looks better than any PS4 racing game, GT7 will be the same, they make a lot of adjustments to their graphics until launch, much more than the average dev which shows a nice product from the beginning.

Just saying "I know GT" doesn't make it not still speculation though.

 

[05XR8]

Put it this way, "I know GT" too. They do surprises well.

 

[Galverstoney]

Of course is not facts. It's just that if you have been playing GT you would remember how they have always done stuff like that. I used to question why wouldn't they include those rendered scenes cars would be driving on. I'm not saying I'm right, its all IMO. GT7 will look similar to that, probably better. Can't wait for it tbh, gran turismo games are always top notch polished stuff, have been on WRC and Dirt and good lord those devs are having a hard time getting their games to run 60fps locked on PS5, both have small probs

 

[Sojiira]

Having a pre-set path wouldn't cause the car to lose its realistic physics animations or lack of suspension modeling if there was one, especially when going over bumps and curbs. The car isn't doing anything special either besides just going around the track with a few shots of drift solo; Polyphony's car trailers already does that and much more complex set ups along with realistic physics animations. They have a pretty clear high level of control over what they want their cars to do in their trailers. PD's production values and cinematography are also leagues above that nissan video. It's not even up for debate how much more convincing PD's cars and visuals are versus the Nissan promo.

Yeah seriously, that Nissan promo looked very amateur. Its kinda looks like they used a game engine to make it but then Unreal or Unity can look way better than that out of the box, so I'd guess its just rendered out of their 3D package and done really cheaply.

 

[Dave A]

Having a pre-set path wouldn't cause the car to lose its realistic physics animations or lack of suspension modeling if there was one, especially when going over bumps and curbs. The car isn't doing anything special either besides just going around the track with a few shots of drift solo; Polyphony's car trailers already does that and much more complex set ups along with realistic physics animations. They have a pretty clear high level of control over what they want their cars to do in their trailers. PD's production values and cinematography are also leagues above that nissan video. It's not even up for debate how much more convincing PD's cars and visuals are versus the Nissan promo.

It absolutely could, you're comparing videos made promoting GT Sport and content with a video that's not related to Gran Turismo. PD's car trailers are all supposed to represent and replicate what will happen in the game, this video is not. There is nothing to say that the vehicle assets used have the same properties that would allow them to interact with the a physics engine in close to the same manner that the actual vehicles created for and implemented into GT Sport do within the game.

There are a huge number of factors at play, you cannot just create a 3d object that looks like a car, pop it into a 3d environment and then expect it to be able to act like a car within that environment. You have to create all of that, or you can fake it and save a hell of a lot of time and effort. We don't know if that car will be in GT7, but even if it is, we don't know when this video was actually developed. We don't know when GT7 is out and we don't know at what stage that car model is in.

We also don't know that this video was developed by PD, it has some similarities, but that's not proof. I'm not at any point stating it is but I'm not saying it isn't either. We know PD have done a lot of things like this in the past, I'm just saying it's possible.

 

[Vspectra]

It absolutely could, you're comparing videos made promoting GT Sport and content with a video that's not related to Gran Turismo. PD's car trailers are all supposed to represent and replicate what will happen in the game, this video is not. There is nothing to say that the vehicle assets used have the same properties that would allow them to interact with the a physics engine in close to the same manner that the actual vehicles created for and implemented into GT Sport do within the game.

There are a huge number of factors at play, you cannot just create a 3d object that looks like a car, pop it into a 3d environment and then expect it to be able to act like a car within that environment. You have to create all of that, or you can fake it and save a hell of a lot of time and effort. We don't know if that car will be in GT7, but even if it is, we don't know when this video was actually developed. We don't know when GT7 is out and we don't know at what stage that car model is in.

We also don't know that this video was developed by PD, it has some similarities, but that's not proof. I'm not at any point stating it is but I'm not saying it isn't either. We know PD have done a lot of things like this in the past, I'm just saying it's possible.

That would defeat the entire purpose of this being a PD collab, which is what I'm saying. PD animates their cars in the game to imitate the look of real-world physics, even if the underlying tire physics model isn't the most realistic depiction when playing, the actual animation of the car behavior is. PD aren't going to make a promo video for Nissan where they just wasted time making an entirely different animation set from scratch for the car separately from what they already have in GT which already portrays cars more accurately than that video. That would actually require even more pointless work. That Nissan video shows the car doing absolutely nothing special that PD don't already do in their trailers. And all it takes is to look at PD's confirmed collab with car reveals where they literally just use their game engine.

If the only thing Nissan needed was just 3d models and artwork, then they don't even need PD for that considering they already have their own CAD models, material work and renders when making the car. The environment and animations would just then be cheaply outsourced, which judging from the visuals, I bet more on that than this having anything to do with PD.

 

[Dave A]

That would defeat the entire purpose of this being a PD collab, which is what I'm saying.

But it wouldn't.

PD animates their cars in the game to imitate the look of real-world physics, even if the underlying tire physics model isn't the most realistic depiction when playing, the actual animation of the car behavior is.

Which is in the game, this is not Gran Turismo. There is a very clear difference between making a promotional video for a 3rd party to do what they want, and creating in game content.

PD aren't going to make a promo video for Nissan where they just wasted time making an entirely different animation set from scratch for the car separately from what they already have in GT which already portrays cars more accurately than that video.

First of all, we don't know that this car is in Gran Turismo 7, so we don't know that PD already have the data in the game engine to replicate the physics we would experience driving a car in the game. Even if this car is in Gran Turismo 7 we do not know what state the development of that asset is and we do not know anything enough to draw these conclusions.

That would actually require even more pointless work. That Nissan video shows the car doing absolutely nothing special that PD don't already do in their trailers. And all it takes is to look at PD's confirmed collab with car reveals where they literally just use their game engine.

Again, it wouldn't. Nissan would brief PD on what they want the video to show and PD would create the video to that brief. It is not work that is detracting from the game, it is completely independant work to that. And creating a path for the vehicle to follow would be extremely straightforward. I could do that in less than a day and I'm not a professional coder, my skills are very basic.

If the only thing Nissan needed was just 3d models and artwork, then they don't even need PD for that considering they already have their own CAD models, material work and renders when making the car.

I agree with this, and we have no evidence to say PD did make this video, as I've said several times we just know PD have collaborated like this on occasions in the past so you cannot rule out the possibility.

The environment and animations would just then be cheaply outsourced, which judging from the visuals, I bet more on that than this having anything to do with PD.

Again, this is a very real possability, and reasonable view, but it has nothing to do with the movement of the car in the video. We simply don't know either way is the answer.

 

[queleuleu]

https://www.izmofx.com/
This compagny works for Poly and the automative industry. Poly isn't the only studio able to make a beautiful 3D model. And tbh, Alsace track is the proof that Poly can be lazy when it comes to track design and details. The difference in details between real tracks and original tracks in GTSport is huge.

 

[Sojiira]

I agree with this, and we have no evidence to say PD did make this video, as I've said several times we just know PD have collaborated like this on occasions in the past so you cannot rule out the possibility.

When has PD collaborated on something and not have evidence for it, maybe their logo or copyright stuff?

 

[Dave A]

When has PD collaborated on something and not have evidence for it, maybe their logo or copyright stuff?

The Nissan GTR in car display is the first thing that comes to mind, I don't think that had a PD logo on it, maybe somewhere in the information but certainly they didn't push that this was PD on the display. I'm not really sure the relevence of bringing up copyright, the company that makes the video doesn't need copyright, the car feautre in the video will be copyrighted. If the video is using GT7 assets (which is probably isn't) then those may need copyright. Compniaes often do stuff for other companies and you might never know of thier involvement because most of the time thier involvment is silent to outsiders.

 

[Sojiira]

The Nissan GTR in car display is the first thing that comes to mind, I don't think that had a PD logo on it, maybe somewhere in the information but certainly they didn't push that this was PD on the display. I'm not really sure the relevence of bringing up copyright, the company that makes the video doesn't need copyright, the car feautre in the video will be copyrighted. If the video is using GT7 assets (which is probably isn't) then those may need copyright. Compniaes often do stuff for other companies and you might never know of thier involvement because most of the time thier involvment is silent to outsiders.

logo or copyright were just for examples of showing some type of evidence. Usually a company making things in collaboration will show who they collaborated with.

https://www.nissan-global.com/NISSANGTR/0710/ENGLISH/DESIGN/index3.html

 

[Dave A]

logo or copyright were just for examples of showing some type of evidence. Usually a company making things in collaboration will show who they collaborated with.

https://www.nissan-global.com/NISSANGTR/0710/ENGLISH/DESIGN/index3.html

The vast majority of time when one company does work on behalf of another it's silent, people outside don't usually know of the arrangement. Regardless though I'm not sure of the relevence of this or anything I've posted though? We simply do not know if PD were involved or not because we don't have enough informaiton. All we have is the video Nissan showed, the fact sometimes a collaboration will be obvious and othertimes less so doesn't really prove/disprove anything.

For the absence of any doubt whatsoever, I've said it before I'll say it again, I am not saying PD made this video, but I'm not saying they didn't either. It's entirely possible they could have been invovled, it's entirely possible they weren't.

 

[Castrol96]

https://www.izmofx.com/
This compagny works for Poly and the automative industry. Poly isn't the only studio able to make a beautiful 3D model. And tbh, Alsace track is the proof that Poly can be lazy when it comes to track design and details. The difference in details between real tracks and original tracks in GTSport is huge.

Polyphony can keep their cars at balanced detailed but lack in their Tracks.

Issue since PS3 era

Needs to be resolved in GT7, no more blaming hardware.

 

[Sojiira]

The vast majority of time when one company does work on behalf of another it's silent, people outside don't usually know of the arrangement. Regardless though I'm not sure of the relevence of this or anything I've posted though? We simply do not know if PD were involved or not because we don't have enough informaiton. All we have is the video Nissan showed, the fact sometimes a collaboration will be obvious and othertimes less so doesn't really prove/disprove anything.

For the absence of any doubt whatsoever, I've said it before I'll say it again, I am not saying PD made this video, but I'm not saying they didn't either. It's entirely possible they could have been invovled, it's entirely possible they weren't.

I was just curious, you said PD have done stuff like this in the past.

I thought maybe another video but your example of the GTR display does not really fit as it was publicly publicized with a bunch of articles written about it

 

[tankuroded]

On that Z Proto video...

Worth noting that PD and Nissan have not collaborated with each other since 2018 (the GT-R GT3 RJN livery contest/'17 GT-R NISMO update tease).

 

[Dave A]

I was just curious, you said PD have done stuff like this in the past.

I thought maybe another video but your example of the GTR display does not really fit as it was publicly publicized with a bunch of articles written about it

They've done a lot of stuff in the past, some is well documented some isn't. They were involved in encoding and decoding the movies for other games such as Crash Bandicoot and Everybody's Golf 2. They even designed an aero kit for a car that became a spec that went on sale. Some of the work besides developing thier own video games is well known, some isn't, in fact most isn't and that is quite common.

They've had thier hands in may a pie from in car display systems to high end digital camera software to extreme procedural generation software and tools. They have also assisted with car design, PR and releases and I'll quote Simon Roberts own words where he confirmed he has been "heavily involved with design and PR teams at automotive manufacturers to support the production and release of Vision Gran Turismo collaborations, concept cars and new model releases". The GT-R display was the first thing that popped into my head, as I said, but certainly not the only thing I can think of.

A good point there @tankuroded Nissan don't appear to be as close to PD as they once were so that could also point to PD not being invovled in this.

 

[Sojiira]

They've done a lot of stuff in the past, some is well documented some isn't. They were involved in encoding and decoding the movies for other games such as Crash Bandicoot and Everybody's Golf 2. They even designed an aero kit for a car that became a spec that went on sale. Some of the work besides developing thier own video games is well known, some isn't, in fact most isn't and that is quite common.

They've had thier hands in may a pie from in car display systems to high end digital camera software to extreme procedural generation software and tools. They have also assisted with car design, PR and releases and I'll quote Simon Roberts own words where he confirmed he has been "heavily involved with design and PR teams at automotive manufacturers to support the production and release of Vision Gran Turismo collaborations, concept cars and new model releases". The GT-R display was the first thing that popped into my head, as I said, but certainly not the only thing I can think of.

A good point there @tankuroded Nissan don't appear to be as close to PD as they once were so that could also point to PD not being invovled in this.

Cool, but also things they put their name on, no?

 

[Dave A]

Cool, but also things they put their name on, no?

I don't think all of them. Can anyone recall any new car launches which had thier name openly attached to them since 2015? I'm asking this open to anyone, as I can't think of one off the top of my head but perhaps that's just my old brain failing to recollect.

 

[DefNotJake]

nah, gt sport with new graphics and physics and proper mp was definitly real gran turismo but have some doubt gt7 will be real as for now looks as gt sport + more content for singleplayer

No, the multiplayer wasn't proper, as the open lobby tab is completely worthless for anything that isn't track days with friends. Most of the open lobby features from past games weren't there. It's as half-assed as the singleplayer. I'm not arguing Sport was a prologue like some, but the fact is, every feature in the game that wasn't named 'Sport mode' ended up being an afterthought, compared to past titles. No, It's not a real Gran Turismo. That's why its not called GT7. It's just a spinoff game that tried too hard to satisfy everyone, in response to the disappointed fanbase at launch.

 

[05XR8]

PD helped Toyota, during the GR Supra development.

 

[snc]

No, the multiplayer wasn't proper, as the open lobby tab is completely worthless for anything that isn't track days with friends. Most of the open lobby features from past games weren't there. It's as half-assed as the singleplayer. I'm not arguing Sport was a prologue like some, but the fact is, every feature in the game that wasn't named 'Sport mode' ended up being an afterthought, compared to past titles. No, It's not a real Gran Turismo. That's why its not called GT7. It's just a spinoff game that tried too hard to satisfy everyone, in response to the disappointed fanbase at launch.

Proper ranking races in mp is essence so don’t be silly as mp miles ahead in gt sport comparing to previous games (tough don’t claim its perfect or doesnt lack some features) physics and graphics also signifficantly updated. Singleplayer is lacking but core aspects are just on another level.

 

[DefNotJake]

Proper ranking races in mp is essence so don’t be silly as mp miles ahead in gt sport comparing to previous games

Ranked multiplayer (sport mode) being the essence of GT's Multiplayer? You mean that mode where you have no control over the track, type of car, or the people you race with? Sport mode, the 'multiplayer' mode where there isn't even a built in way to race with your friends?

That doesn't sound like the essence of GT multiplayer to me. It's just competitive PVP. If that's your thing, that's fine... but don't try and make it seem like a replacement of the original, sandbox portion of GT's multiplayer (open lobbies). Just because the game has a leaderboard or rank system doesn't make the multiplayer fun.

I do agree the physics and graphics are better. The game feels fantastic, even with a controller. The massive improvement to the driving experience is the only reason I still log on every so often just to drive around the track day lobbies. Is the game itself better than previous recent games like GT5 and GT6? No, but with the new engine, combined with all the returning features in the trailer, I'm sure GT7 will end up getting close to GT4's status as the best GT game. The momentum is there.

 

[261004]

On that Z Proto video...

Worth noting that PD and Nissan have not collaborated with each other since 2018 (the GT-R GT3 RJN livery contest/'17 GT-R NISMO update tease).

Judging by the recent collaborations, I’m guessing that Toyota, Mazda, and Porsche are the new Nissan, Mercedes-Benz, and Chevrolet of the past.