Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

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Still High speed ring for track? Not a fan of the rally stages
Twice as long with that as well. The bonus is that is a proper race rather than chase the rabbit.

I've spent 3 million on the Sauber Mercedes group c car. With max ballast and a nurf to engine power and then you can do the 5 lap race at le man's. It takes 20 minutes though so it's not efficient but it is really easy to win.
 
Twice as long with that as well. The bonus is that is a proper race rather than chase the rabbit.

I've spent 3 million on the Sauber Mercedes group c car. With max ballast and a nurf to engine power and then you can do the 5 lap race at le man's. It takes 20 minutes though so it's not efficient but it is really easy to win.
The idea of a proper race appeals more so I’ll check out the high speed ring.
 
Today I played for an hour or so, and I only earned around 90,000 cr. from four different events of varying scope. I effectively played the game exactly like Kaz is asking people to play it. Not very satisfying when the payouts are that small, and buying the Sauber C9 currently in the dealership is just not going to happen under these circumstances. I also get the impression that’s how PD wants it to be unless we waste our actual money on virtual credits.
I actually did a bit better, but only because I stuck to the higher payout events. Though that was due to the fact I haven't completed those yet. Even at 200k per hour, that still doesn't quite feel satisfactory when that means I can only do the longer events if I want more money.

This clearly doesn't work and it's not going to stop people from doing the same race over and over again.
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With that said, I had some thinking to do and I honestly believe Kaz in that he changed the payouts to make it so we don't grind. The problem is that his ideal solution is stupid. But that's what I expect, every GT game in the past 10 years; I've seen Kazunori Yamauchi make changes that almost NEVER make sense. He's never given me the vibe that he's a conventional nor a rational person. More like someone with their head in the clouds, but not looking at the current reality.

In his head, changing the payouts like this would force players to try other events until the next update where he adds more events over time that might have better payouts, but could also be longer than what we have now. I bet there could even be a better grinding method he'll overlook in that update. Then, they'll be more events in later updates and so on like in GT Sport. The payouts are small, because he wants people to take forever to get these cars, because in his mind; that makes collecting the cars more special. He wants us to spend years earning money to get these cars instead of having them all within a year.

Which is what makes this so stupid, most players do NOT want to spend years collecting every car in the game and they shouldn't have to. They want to enjoy each car within a reasonable time frame, taking eons to get a Ferrari 330 P4 is not a good idea. That's what he will not realize because he's too stuck in the clouds to know that players don't think the way he does. Enjoying cars is different for everyone, some want them so we can just keep enjoying the car years on end, NOT take eons to do that. What his vision for GT7 is will backfire, people will and ARE losing interest in this game.

The weird thing is that I can see some the concepts he has in place working for GT7, but the implemented so poorly that it's just going to aggravate people more. I of course can put up with it being me, but more rational people than me will not and aren't. I see it in this thread, other threads, and other websites including metacritic. Kaz, to make people stop grinding, you need to have proper rewards that match the effort other events require. 10 lap races should give me either higher payouts than now or what we have now plus a high-value prize car. That's why people grind, they're not getting the rewards that match the effort in other events.
 
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if you’re easily coming first every race then where’s the fun in that?
I don’t always come in first even if I win the championship… I have come in 2 and 3rd… It really doesn’t matter to me.. I was giving him my best scenario when it comes to making good money.

Many of you guys around here going crazy for money vs hour stuff… I don’t care I’m just doing all the events having a good time driving! The money will come last week I won 2 mill just in the ticket prizes.. The games been out only two weeks and I have a great garage collection, and I’m looking forward to collecting other cars I want in the future…

I’m not mad at the people who want to maximize their time making money and playing either it’s their game… I just don’t get the well I’m not having fun with game so you shouldn’t be either vibes…
 
How are you explaining this video I took half an hour ago?
911 RSR was spitting flames like dragon when downshifting especially on night...
It seems it's working for the AI, that Corvette spat flames on T1. Maybe let the car warm up a little more?

When it comes to GT3 racing I personally don't really care for it because I'm on hood/roof cam anyway. (Not denying the significance of a downgrade/bug)


if you’re easily coming first every race then where’s the fun in that?
Okay... they gave you a viable solution to make more credits, and your comeback is this? Come on...

Do you want to make money in a broken economy, or do you want to keep whinging that some things are too easy...?

You can't have both, because currently you're crying about drowning whilst sitting in three feet of water.
 
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Alright, alright. I want to balance out my negative and critical post above with something more positive.

One thing I oddly like about the revived Ford GT LM Spec II is that Polyphony now made it based on the production Ford GT instead of the concept car. Well that and I like how it drives. I still need to drive it with TCS on, but with that on; it's quite enjoyable on the tracks I've driven it on. Which has been so far Trial Mountain, Daytona, and La Sarthe. This might become one of the cars I drive the most in this game. Well this and the 2018 GT LM.
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Yeah, I'm still going to keep playing this game to see how the dlc updates pan out and well; if this game is a sinking ship. and one for the franchise, I want to go down with it. I've with this series since I was little playing GT1 on the original Playstation, but I want to be with GT when it ends. If this is where it ends. We'll see what happens.
 
I have the PS4 version of the game, and I also specifically have a base PS4. I've received notice that the game has updated to version 1.08. Should I continue to wait for additional updates that may have more bugfixes, or do you think the game's OK at the moment? (That is, controversial changes to the in-game economy aside.)
 
I don't know for sure but between 35-45 minutes for S10 ( my kid nap time lol )
Nice!! Took me 2 hours!! 😭😭 I was so mad but I finally had to use TCS on that long fast sweeper before the last tight turn! I don’t mind using TC but it I try to keep it realistic also, and I know that car didn’t come with tcs. I should of used it way before though.. I never want to see that test again!
 
The key for me was to feather the throttle* on the last part of the track because oh my this part was ice skating,

*did it without traction control on a pad. Laptime was not wonderful though I ended in 2:25:925, but hey that's enough 😊
 
On PS5 but why in the world would I ever choose less than 60fps? 🤣

I turned on RT and they are still there with it on as well.
Must be`one of those things`with GT.I posted a few days ago that none of the races i did showed glowing brake rotors,the next day they were back again.They are actually still in it today but ive got no flames,with or without RT.Go figure.
 
The key for me was to feather the throttle* on the last part of the track because oh my this part was ice skating,

*did it without traction control on a pad. Laptime was not wonderful though I ended in 2:25:925, but hey that's enough 😊
Yea I did mine with a wheel and it’s pretty scary lol! Congrats on the gold though!
 
I know this isn't really the time to ask about this but i don't recall seeing the CTR Yellowbird or RGT 4.2 in the game. Is this like adding RUF parts to the 911s in the game? or is this a possible hint at future updates?

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I’m using all my cars not just one car, I’m trying to master different platforms and get fast so imo while everyone calls it grinding… I’m just getting better and having fun with the game. Yes I know it’s shocking.
If you get enjoyment out of playing that specific championship over and over again with different cars, then more power to you. Since launch I’ve played this particular championship about four or five times, but I don’t find it anything special.

I’ve always been fundamentally against grinding, or doing the same event repeatedly just to maximize earnings. I never did it in GT Sport and I won’t in GT7. However, GT Sport had enough different events with decent payouts, so you could always make satisfactory progress without grinding the same few events over and over.

Then you might argue that GT7 will get more events and different ways of earning credits going forward. I don’t doubt it, but I never imagined GT7 would shrink so much compared to GT Sport in terms of the amount and variety of events available on day one, but here we are.

In most cases I have to set up a custom event in order to mimic many of the events I enjoyed in GT Sport, but then you also have to deal with insanely low payouts. Winning in this game often feels like losing.
 
I actually did a bit better, but only because I stuck to the higher payout events. Though that was due to the fact I haven't completed those yet. Even at 200k per hour, that still doesn't quite feel satisfactory when that means I can only do the longer events if I want more money.

This clearly doesn't work and it's not going to stop people from doing the same race over and over again.
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With that said, I had some thinking to do and I honestly believe Kaz in that he changed the payouts to make it so we don't grind. The problem is that his ideal solution is stupid. But that's what I expect, every GT game in the past 10 years; I've seen Kazunori Yamauchi make changes that almost NEVER make sense. He's never given me the vibe that he's a conventional nor a rational person. More like someone with their head in the clouds, but not looking at the current reality.

In his head, changing the payouts like this would force players to try other events until the next update where he adds more events over time that might have better payouts, but could also be longer than what we have now. I bet there could even be a better grinding method he'll overlook in that update. Then, they'll be more events in later updates and so on like in GT Sport. The payouts are small, because he wants people to take forever to get these cars, because in his mind; that makes collecting the cars more special. He wants us to spend years earning money to get these cars instead of having them all within a year.

Which is what makes this so stupid, most players do NOT want to spend years collecting every car in the game and they shouldn't have to. They want to enjoy each car within a reasonable time frame, taking eons to get a Ferrari 330 P4 is not a good idea. That's what he will not realize because he's too stuck in the clouds to know that players don't think the way he does. Enjoying cars is different for everyone, some want them so we can just keep enjoying the car years on end, NOT take eons to do that. What his vision for GT7 is will backfire, people will and ARE losing interest in this game.

The weird thing is that I can see some the concepts he has in place working for GT7, but the implemented so poorly that it's just going to aggravate people more. I of course can put up with it being me, but more rational people than me will not and aren't. I see it in this thread, other threads, and other websites including metacritic. Kaz, to make people stop grinding, you need to have proper rewards that match the effort other events require. 10 lap races should give me either higher payouts than now or what we have now plus a high-value prize car. That's why people grind, they're not getting the rewards that match the effort in other events.
Kaz should wake up and start to implement methods that prioritize the "more fun, less grind" concept.

And these are some solutions that can be placed such as:

Economy:
  1. Increasing payouts for most events
  2. Getting rid of pricing cars similar to their real-world counterparts, make them have a ceiling price of Cr. 4,000,000
  3. Bring back the ability to sell cars
  4. Get rid of the "brand invitation" mechanic in Brand Central that is required to buy hypercars
  5. Add the ability to auction cars (new pavilion in the Gran Turismo island)

Gameplay:
  1. I've said time and time again that all the cars in the game need to be implemented as rental cars in the Arcade/Free Play modes (Arcade Race, Time Trial, Custom Race, 2-Player Battle and the offline mode), similar to GT4 when completed, and the Free Play modes of Forza. This way it allows players to just jump in and drive their favorite cars right away, especially with the added incentive of also being able to try cars before buying them in the main campaign mode. They need to be limited by a restrictions to keep things balanced, however, with the fact that you can only use default car-specific colors/liveries/variations, that they can't be upgraded or customized, that tuning these cars will all be car-specific, based on the default set-up (with all tire compounds available though), and that Credits and Daily Workout progress won't be earned driving rental cars, just to balance things out compared to using cars you've bought and earned in the career mode. Besides the ability to use all over 400+ cars (and more, as DLC cars will also come through updates) as rental cars in the Arcade Modes, we should also be able to drive cars from our Garage too as an option.
  2. Either make the feature stated above similar to GT4 where we start off with a fraction of all the cars in the game, then go on to unlock all the rest permanently as rental cars once obtained (at least once), or all of them immediately like in Forza.

Grinding in a game is literally like eating the same food everyday, where you'll eventually get bored of tasting the same old thing over and over again. Which is why I get bored when I have to grind, and if that's the only option.

Cars in the game are already expensive enough (some of which are ridiculously overpriced, owing to a real-world supply and demand law with hints of inflation), but building a fully-upgraded project car in the game will set you around Cr. 300,000 to Cr. 500,000 for all the performance parts and customization items.

Another is, if you thought that Festival Playlists, Forzathon and other such things in the Forza Horizon games where missing out on events will mean missing out on cars and other things, is bad enough, in GT7, it's so much worse, in fact, that you'll need time-limited brand invitations to at least get the chance to buy hypercars in Brand Central beforehand, as well as the mechanics of how the Used and Legendary Car Dealerships work, with the lineup changing almost everyday in real time (the Legendary Car Dealership's partnership with Hagerty might also adjust prices of the cars in real-time too, meaning that out of nowhere, there is the likely possibility of a car once previously sold being more expensive than when it was sold before, or it could be cheaper, but who knows).

After fixing these problems, Kaz should fix the next problem, which is to address the backlash behind the always-online requirement. Kaz says that this was done out of fears of cheating, hacking and illegal modding, however, this is likely because of the FIA involvement for Sport mode.
 
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ah, of course, being a crossgen title means that PD had to castrate the classic Campaign/GT Mode because of PS4. Even though 90% of the cars and all of the tracks are directly from Sport with next to no/minimal changes. Right.
Being forced to completely change their plans and make a PS5 title run on the PS4 would impose restrictions on available development time, and who knows what corners they cut in order to make it work?
and it's the semiconductor crisis' fault that 7 is tied to a server somewhere in Japan
No, but GT7 being always-online is a separate issue from events and café menus missing wouldn't you say?
They've already made plenty of events that they've withheld. Why can't they be added?
Because, as I said, they were strapped for time. Adding events isn't just pressing a few buttons and presto. They would have to make the events first, then test them and balance them, and so on. That second part is what would block them from being added in the initial release, even if they are done.
 
Doing time trials must by playing it the wrong way because it's not paid. At least they got proper user score on MC they deserved. :D
Not this argument again....

Over the last 95 pages I've seen you post, you've made some decent arguments, and you're more than justified in your frustrations. However, this argument you keep snidely making is childish.

In what racing game ever (Grand Theft Auto is not a racing game), have you been paid to do a time trial? Next you're going to suggest we get paid to turn on the game, or given a handout for sitting on our asses??
 
Alright, alright. I want to balance out my negative and critical post above with something more positive.

One thing I oddly like about the revived Ford GT LM Spec II is that Polyphony now made it based on the production Ford GT instead of the concept car. Well that and I like how it drives. I still need to drive it with TCS on, but with that on; it's quite enjoyable on the tracks I've driven it on. Which has been so far Trial Mountain, Daytona, and La Sarthe. This might become one of the cars I drive the most in this game. Well this and the 2018 GT LM.
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Yeah, I'm still going to keep playing this game to see how the dlc updates pan out and well; if this game is a sinking ship. and one for the franchise, I want to go down with it. I've with this series since I was little playing GT1 on the original Playstation, but I want to be with GT when it ends. If this is where it ends. We'll see what happens.
I'm sorry but no, they ruined it by making it based on the production model 😭 the concept model had cooler headlights and makes the use of the concept wheels more justifiable in my opinion.

Better use the concept model when they re-introduce the Spec I version.
 
Not this argument again....

Over the last 95 pages I've seen you post, you've made some decent arguments, and you're more than justified in your frustrations. However, this argument you keep snidely making is childish.

In what racing game ever (Grand Theft Auto is not a racing game), have you been paid to do a time trial? Next you're going to suggest we get paid to turn on the game, or given a handout for sitting on our asses??
You do get paid for time trial. It counts towards daily miles.
 
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