Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread
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Tired Tyres
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Daily log on bonus up to 200% after 5 days was in GT5 & 6 would be a welcome addition to the game.
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There are so many small frustrations in this game that are putting me off more and more:
No option to apply BOP in custom races so you have, for example, the Viper GT3-R with 678hp up against a Z4 GT3 with 522hp
The opponents you are matched with in random races are based on the stock version of your car so my 600+ hp, almost 700PP Supra will be racing stock NSXs and Skylines.
You can't change your car on the fly for custom races, drift, etc., so you have to either go to an event that allows the car you want to use and select it that way or go to the garage and go back, which takes forever on the PS4s.
The cars you choose for custom grids use the default tires the car came with (no option to change that) so, example, the classic muscle car and modern sports car you wanted to put against one another because they had similar PPs on SS tires or something will have CM tires and SH tires, respectively.
That you can't purchase parts on the fly in lobby so if you need a certain tire or power restrictor, you have to go all the way to the tuning shop then go back; also takes a while on the PS4s.
Then there's of course the major stuff: slow A.I. when boost is off, low payouts, chase the rabbit in career mode.
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why PD.
No option to apply BOP in custom races so you have, for example, the Viper GT3-R with 678hp up against a Z4 GT3 with 522hp
The opponents you are matched with in random races are based on the stock version of your car so my 600+ hp, almost 700PP Supra will be racing stock NSXs and Skylines.
You can't change your car on the fly for custom races, drift, etc., so you have to either go to an event that allows the car you want to use and select it that way or go to the garage and go back, which takes forever on the PS4s.
The cars you choose for custom grids use the default tires the car came with (no option to change that) so, example, the classic muscle car and modern sports car you wanted to put against one another because they had similar PPs on SS tires or something will have CM tires and SH tires, respectively.
That you can't purchase parts on the fly in lobby so if you need a certain tire or power restrictor, you have to go all the way to the tuning shop then go back; also takes a while on the PS4s.
Then there's of course the major stuff: slow A.I. when boost is off, low payouts, chase the rabbit in career mode.
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why PD.
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Took more than few attempts, but got Gold on every license test.
In game notification popped, the PS5 took screenshots etc, but the Hard Work Does Pay Off Trophy didn't register.
Has anyone else run into this bug? Tried a manual sync of trophies but no luck.
In game notification popped, the PS5 took screenshots etc, but the Hard Work Does Pay Off Trophy didn't register.
Has anyone else run into this bug? Tried a manual sync of trophies but no luck.
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It's a matter of perspective and discussion of course, but personally I think it's a terrible idea. If you need "motivating" to paly the game then the game isn't as fun as it should be.
You could simply tie the star rating of the roulettes to your overall progress int he game rather than having to log in 4 or more consecutive days to have a chance to win an engine swap or something else you need a higher rates ticket to have a chance of winning. That way people aren't penalised for having busy lives or going on holiday or for simply not wanting to play GT7 today.
I didn't like the daily login bonus either for the same reasons. there's no benefit to the consumer in rewarding people in that way over providing the same rewards tied into overall game progress instead.
You personally may not experience FOMO with regards to Forza Horizon, but Horizon absolutely plays into it in many aspects of it's game design (though I must state at this point, I haven't played 5, so it may be better in this regards than 4 was).
Sure there may be other ways to obtain most of the cars, which is better than the only way to obtain the 18m Cr cars in GT7 (I'm not praining GT7 and digging on Horizon here), but whilst it is sill an objectively good game, Horizon does certainly tap into that aspect of peoples psyche.
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It is literally a free lottery. Whether it's fixed or not, it doesn't matter really.
GT7 has got a long way to go to start getting these things right, but having mechanics in your game to motivate players to regularly play over a longer period of time is exactly what all kinds of 'live-service' games do. Destiny has vendors which have a rotating selection of exotic stock (sound familiar?), games like Fortnite and Warzone have battlepasses which have contain exclusive limited time content which is unlocked over time by playing the game.
Of course it's always helpful if people actually want to play your game, but you would be surprised/shocked/saddened by the number of people who play a game they aren't particularly enjoying because they don't want to miss out on the limited time content. Again, doesn't that sound familiar? How many players are there who are already going through the miserable process of grinding races in GT7 so they can purchase everything that comes through the legend and used car dealerships? How many players have spent money on MTXs for the same reason?
These days it's extremely difficult to find any game that doesn't employ some sort of 'FOMO' mechanic, and it makes sense from a business point of view. It helps keep existing players invested, often serves as a revenue stream (MTXs in the case of a game like GT7, or you can 'skip' levels on a battlepass by paying money). Like or dislike the practice, players need to come to terms that this is the future (and present) of gaming. You can vote with your wallet as always, but unfortunately I think you'll find that enough people have already voted the other way...
I know people are going to say "This stuff shouldn't be in a full priced videogame!", and maybe in the future we will see GT7 become free-to-play (like we saw happen with Destiny 2), obviously that isn't very helpful to us right now. In my opinion, even though I acknowledge what they are trying to accomplish, it is extremely clear that Polyphony Digital have next to no experience in building a live-service game, to me it just feels like they tried to copy what other games are doing, but have ended up making a real mess of things and have failed massively to make this kind of model attractive to the consumer.
In Destiny, I want to play 5 days a week grinding content because then I can purchase new powerful gear that is fun and cool to use. In GT7, I guess I'm supposed to spend a ridiculous amount of time/money so I can buy a McLaren F1, so I can, umm, actually I'm not really sure what I'd do with it other than look at it in my garage? Yeah, the game needs a lot of work.
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The timed events and rewards. And yes, you may be able to obtain those rewards in other ways, but we're talking about the psychological push to encourage players to feel like they will miss out and Horizon plays on that. In much the same way you can grind to your hearts content and play like MTX's are not present in GT7, but the game is still designed to push people towards MTX's.
Just because you don't have that feeling or there are ways to get around what the game does, does not mean the game isn't capitalising on peoples tendacies. There are conferences about this type of thing.
Regardless, this doesn't negate my point that there's zero need to have a bonus that encourages a person to play the game every day. There is absolutely no benefit to you, me or anyone else to incentivise a bonus like that when it can be tied to overall game progression instead.
@MrMattAdz oh I know, I've worked closely with marketing departments and people for long enough to know just how many people fall for these tactics, and it's unlikely they will go away any time soon. But that doesn't mean they deserve encouraging, if people were more wise to them games like GT7 might become more a game first and foremost and an obligation... I mean service, in more secondary ways.
The main reason people paly a game should be for entertainment value, not becuase they'll lose a log in bonus if they don't.
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True in some sense, but who cares? It's a game and I bought all cars day 1 with my money. I played with GTO today in Horizon without any problem. It's in Project Cars 2 too. There is no reason to wait for a game car. It's absurd. Another new car for my garage, every car is equal and difference could be only in fun making.Are you saying the 288 GTO is just a normal classic car?
It’s an absolute unicorn. Less than 300 built and engineered with Group B sports car regulations in mind. Not normal at all.
I don't feel it there. You can get one not paid car every week for 20 points and it's about 30 mins of gameplay. You don't need to do it. They improved a bit since H4 where it was a bit worse. Still far from FOMO because of auction house. Agaist GT7 it's like dreamland.
Yes, it's the same car as others. Can it fly? Have you seen Metacritic? Maybe it's not me only.
Yes, you are right. And that's the reason I like games. You can watch special cars and use them. Forzavista is amazing stuff for it.
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Wake me up when Kaz posts the first Twitter Silhouettes update.
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Oh I am eagerly awaiting the utterly unhinged blind suggestions people have. I remember people trying their best to come up with anything other than it being the AE86 Levin and Trueno for the 2 silhouettes, saying one of them must obviously be something else and was clearly a different shape, etc etc etc.
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Hahahaha well go to dreamland, where you get a pat on your back and a million dollar popsicle shoved in your face for just showing up.
Yes, as it stands, the earnings/achievements/positive reinforcement ratio to time invested is abysmal in GT7. However, I'd rather put in some work towards my career, or in the game in general as opposed to the love fest that is Forza Horizon.
You're comparing, at the moment, two vast extremes when it comes to player reinforcement.
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Is it just me, or have user created decals taken an absolutely massive dump in quality when in game since the last few updates? They used to be very good and clear in game before the big updates, and cars that I have liveried up or downloaded from before said update still look good, but any cars I've made or downloaded afterwards, the decals and such look like absolute blurry garbage.
On PS4 Pro.
On PS4 Pro.
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I'm sure you don't, but that doesn't mean it isn't for other people and that's the catch. In just the same way you can get all of the cars in GT7 without buying a single MTX, but there are people who will spend a small fortune (if not a large one) on MTX's in GT7.
In Forza Horizon for example, the easiest way to obtain the time limited rewards is by logging in and completing the time limited events. If you miss out then you have to win one in the AH and that's not a 100% guarentee like doing the Forzathon's is. It's not logical, but neither is spending all of your salary on slot machines and card games, yet people still do.
That's because there are enough people in the world who will act on these impulses to buy MTX's, to log in every day so as make sure they don't miss out and to gamble thier life savings because they can't stop and the next bet will be the big win they need.
I'll take your word for it that Horizon 5 is better than 4 in this regard, I'm skipping 5 because I bough 3 and 4 and I grew tired of 4 pretty quickly. I'm sure I'll be interested enough to play Horizon again by the time Horizon 6 comes around
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The issue is if you end up not playing the game for a week (through whatever reason) and miss the car (and the car was hyped in any way) it’ll sell for a grossly inflated cost on the Auction House. A lot of the time those hyped cars will only have a few listings in the Auction House too, making it hard to grab them
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