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I got a bone to pick with the person at PD which made the 7th gear of the C7 ZR1 too long. Currently that car stalls once it gets to 7th gear... it can't gain any more speed and actually loses speed in 7th due to such an abnormally long ratio. Thanks for breaking one of the gears on this car, PD. Much appreciated that I now need to spend money on a custom race tranny just to make use of the 7th gear.
 
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HarVee
I got a bone to pick with the person at PD which made the 7th gear of the C7 ZR1 too long. Currently that car stalls once it gets to 7th gear... it can't gain any more speed and actually loses speed in 7th due to such an abnormally long ratio. Thanks for breaking one of the gears on this car, PD. Much appreciated that I now need to spend money on a custom race tranny just to make use of the 7th gear.
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The C7 Corvette's 7th gear is a really tall overdrive gear on purpose. The idea is that its basically a 6 speed manual but with an overdrive gear for fuel economy. PD isn't wrong because the real cars are like this.
 
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Magog
Glasses maybe? You can grind the oval at Daytona in the pickup race and get 45,000 in less than 5 minutes.
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Also 50+, got the glasses, tried the suggestion. Fine, albeit nearly 6 minutes, but still fair enough. You do have to time your final pass so they don't have time to draft you and sneak back past, but I picked that up in the Café Menu race. Still, if I'm going to have to keep looking at that ugly-ass truck, it's going to need a trip to the Livery Editor!
 
SkyHigh
you clearly don't get GT and that's fine. The GTO is a mighty piece of automotive history and you think it's a regular car... go play FH5, GT is not for you. If you however want to play GT, by all means go ahead but don't expect it to be similar to the rest
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Not quite sure why holding a different view to yourself means GT is no longer a suitable title, and that Forza is as a result the right one?

Nonsense gatekeeping like this does GT as a series no favours at all.
 
DJFridge
Also 50+, got the glasses, tried the suggestion. Fine, albeit nearly 6 minutes, but still fair enough. You do have to time your final pass so they don't have time to draft you and sneak back past, but I picked that up in the Café Menu race. Still, if I'm going to have to keep looking at that ugly-ass truck, it's going to need a trip to the Livery Editor!
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Well, I have mine maxed out with upgrades so my time is more like 4:30
 
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DJFridge
Also 50+, got the glasses, tried the suggestion. Fine, albeit nearly 6 minutes, but still fair enough. You do have to time your final pass so they don't have time to draft you and sneak back past, but I picked that up in the Café Menu race. Still, if I'm going to have to keep looking at that ugly-ass truck, it's going to need a trip to the Livery Editor!
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You can grab a ZR1 '19 , do BMB ,under 4 minutes(52.5k) + 1 minute to reset, 12 runs an hour gets you 630,000cr :cheers:
 
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Interesting interview with Agustín Cajal, an Argentine World Tour participant. He is one of the drivers in the game that appears in the text stories before races. It's a good read and will probably translate well with Google. The points I found interesting:

  • The photos were taken in Salzburg, Austria in 2019
  • The contract to use the NPCs was signed in Australia in 2020
  • His introductory words about Argentina and the other things he "says" before the race are not his. He supposes it was PD's interpretation of how Argentines are
  • 2nd place in World Tour with Toyota got him a season in Argentine F5
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Agustín Cajal, el E-Driver argentino que corre de los dos lados de la pantalla

Agustín "Aspicito" Cajal es un eDriver argentino que fue subcampeón del mundo y hoy, en el nuevo Gran Turismo 7 es un NPC.
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Scaff
Not quite sure why holding a different view to yourself means GT is no longer a suitable title, and that Forza is as a result the right one?

Nonsense gatekeeping like this does GT as a series no favours at all.
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Not like that, GT has a different view about the cars. I'm not gatekeeping, I'm trying to say someone may find more enjoyment on a different game that doesn't hold cars at the same value as GT. GT is kinda trying to present those cars as something unique and important, whereas most other racers give them as tools for the player to have fun, doesn't matter the car. This is especially true about Forza Horizon, where a lot of unique details on the cockpit of the cars for example, are nowhere to be found, as the game is focusing on fun first - details and history later. It's fine tho, I have it and enjoy it, just a really different game
 
Johnnn
Another new car for my garage, every car is equal and difference could be only in fun making.
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Johnnn
Because it's absurd. You bought 400+ equal cars with your real money and the game decides what to give you. It's completely crazy. It's like from some fantasy movie. :D
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Okay, I was with you about the game's rediculous economy at the moment, but now it's sounding like you want all of the cars on day 1. I personally don't want that, I bought a game with 400+ cars not only to drive them, but expecting to have to earn them.

I'm all for making things less time-consuming to get cars, but heck no to getting them on day 1. I bought a game not only for the games, but for the progression aspect of earning them. There's some fun satisfaction I get from either unlocking a car from beating a championship event or saving up enough money for it in the dealership. Which is something I missed about racing games as of late.

Also equal cars? I want to make sure I understand you on this, are you saying something like a Toyota Aqua S is equal to a Ferrari 250 GTO?

Johnnn
I don't feel it there. You can get one not paid car every week for 20 points and it's about 30 mins of gameplay. You don't need to do it. They improved a bit since H4 where it was a bit worse. Still far from FOMO because of auction house. Agaist GT7 it's like dreamland.
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Forza Horizon 5's way of unlocking certain cars, including dlc cars is not exactly what I call fun either. Yes, it's a shorter grind than what GT7 has by faaaarrr, but it's still annoying. You have still have only one week to earn a certain car and when the week changes, that's it. Oh, I'm sure it will come back, but I have absolutely no way of knowing. and worse yet, I might have to participate in multiplayer events to get it. As much of a grind GT7 is, I'm at least glad I don't have to play multiplayer events against randoms to save up for a Ford GT40 or Ferrari 288 GTO.

EDIT: I forgot to respond to the auction house. Here's the problem with that, if you want the car you missed out on from there; you're going to have to shell out a ridiculously high amount of credits for the car. If the car is there at all.
 
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SkyHigh
Not like that, GT has a different view about the cars. I'm not gatekeeping, I'm trying to say someone may find more enjoyment on a different game that doesn't hold cars at the same value as GT. GT is kinda trying to present those cars as something unique and important, whereas most other racers give them as tools for the player to have fun, doesn't matter the car. This is especially true about Forza Horizon, where a lot of unique details on the cockpit of the cars for example, are nowhere to be found, as the game is focusing on fun first - details and history later. It's fine tho, I have it and enjoy it, just a really different game
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Yes, GT holds cars in such high regard in comparison to other titles that it spent six full releases with the worst take on car audio around, it cares so much about this that it gets basic facts wrong in the GT Cafe, so much that it used PS2 assets for 80% of the car list in GT5, that it doesn't bother to model any of the engine bays (Forza does despite it being utterly unneeded.

What you're doing is flame-baiting and gatekeeping, and it's unwelcome here.

RandomCarGuy17
Okay, I was with you about the game's rediculous economy at the moment, but now it's sounding like you want all of the cars on day 1. I personally don't want that, I bought a game with 400+ cars not only to drive them, but expecting to have to earn them.
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It's quite possiable to have both, a good number of titles do it. You can have all the cars available to try in an arcade mode in pure stock form, so the ownership side still holds a draw via upgrades and modification, or allow them to be rented for races at a lower payout, or so that test drives can be done (limited to a single location).

All these options allow all cars to be available to try, and still preserve the unique nature of ownership.
 
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Scaff
Yes, GT holds cars in such high regard in comparison to other titles that it spent six full releases with the worst take on car audio around, it cares so much about this that it gets basic facts wrong in the GT Cafe, so much that it used PS2 assets for 80% of the car list in GT5, that it doesn't bother to model any of the engine bays (Forza does despite it being utterly unneeded.
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I thought I was the only one that caught the bolded. I was able to sniff out the 'facts' in the Café video for the Mustang Boss 429 that they insinuated the car itself was homologated for NASCAR, yet a bit of Wikipedia reading says the opposite that the engine was the only thing homologated, and that was simply the easiest one I could do off-hand.
 
Silver Arrows
I thought I was the only one that caught the bolded. I was able to sniff out the 'facts' in the Café video for the Mustang Boss 429 that they insinuated the car itself was homologated for NASCAR, yet a bit of Wikipedia reading says the opposite that the engine was the only thing homologated, and that was simply the easiest one I could do off-hand.
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And saying the first Mustang had a V6 and V8 as engine options when it was an I-6 and V8.
 
RandomCarGuy17
Okay, I was with you about the game's rediculous economy at the moment, but now it's sounding like you want all of the cars on day 1. I personally don't want that, I bought a game with 400+ cars not only to drive them, but expecting to have to earn them.

I'm all for making things less time-consuming to get cars, but heck no to getting them on day 1. I bought a game not only for the games, but for the progression aspect of earning them. There's some fun satisfaction I get from either unlocking a car from beating a championship event or saving up enough money for it in the dealership. Which is something I missed about racing games as of late.

Also equal cars? I want to make sure I understand you on this, are you saying something like a Toyota Aqua S is equal to a Ferrari 250 GTO?


Forza Horizon 5's way of unlocking certain cars, including dlc cars is not exactly what I call fun either. Yes, it's a shorter grind than what GT7 has by faaaarrr, but it's still annoying. You have still have only one week to earn a certain car and when the week changes, that's it. Oh, I'm sure it will come back, but I have absolutely no way of knowing. and worse yet, I might have to participate in multiplayer events to get it. As much of a grind GT7 is, I'm at least glad I don't have to play multiplayer events against randoms to save up for a Ford GT40 or Ferrari 288 GTO.

EDIT: I forgot to respond to the auction house. Here's the problem with that, if you want the car you missed out on from there; you're going to have to shell out a ridiculously high amount of credits for the car. If the car is there at all.
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I don't care too much. Immediately or small racing. Horizon is OK to me, it's not completely fine but the game is huge and I got all cars very fast.

Oh, that's fine, I don't need it.

Exactly, I paid real money for the license and model (sound and other stuff). It's even possible GTO is much more expensive, so they could do DLC with it like in PC2. To me it's just one car of 400 in a game I paid. No artificial scarcity needed.

DLC cars are for free directly in your garage. Free cars are earned by real job, you need to work for them. It's right, it shouldn't be free if you not pay for it. So you mixed paid and free car. We have already paid cars in GT with no access to them. No problem with if count is OK. GT7 doesn't look much fine.

I don't think credits are problem in Horizon. In H4 I had maximum amount even I didn't care about it. Cars are always there and they are probably cheated too.
 
Scaff
It's quite possiable to have both, a good number of titles do it. You can have all the cars available to try in an arcade mode in pure stock form, so the ownership side still holds a draw via upgrades and modification, or allow them to be rented for races at a lower payout, or so that test drives can be done (limited to a single location).

All these options allow all cars to be available to try, and still preserve the unique nature of ownership.
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The option that I would be most okay with myself would be allowing them to be test-driven. Maybe expand it to all locations though for some freedom. In Test Drive Unlimited or The Crew, you could driven cars technically anywhere from the dealership, just for a short period of time. Maybe something like that, but switch it to a limited number of laps or something.


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With that said, the option on having all cars available in arcade mode in stock form made me immediately think of Forza Motorsport 3 & 4. If I'm honest, I kinda lost motivation to play through the career mode because of that factor. Maybe there's just something wrong with me, but even with games that had better A.I. like Assetto Corsa and Project Cars; I couldn't stay motivated to play them as there wasn't much of an incentive to do career mode. I would have fun doing test runs on the cars on offer and maybe a few races in their arcade modes, but that was it.

If GT were to adapt that kind of progression, I think there should be something to unlock in the place of cars if PD were to do that. I don't know what, but something.

Johnnn
Exactly, I paid real money for the license and model (sound and other stuff). It's even possible GTO is much more expensive, so they could do DLC with it like in PC2. To me it's just one car of 400 in a game I paid. No artificial scarcity needed.
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and to me a GTO is more than that. I shouldn't expect that to be something to come as easy as something like a Honda Fit. and when I say their values are held different, I'm not talking about artificial scarcity here. I'm talking about other factors such as what the car means to enthusiasts or the history of cars in general.
Johnnn
DLC cars are for free directly in your garage. Free cars are earned by real job, you need to work for them. It's right, it shouldn't be free if you not pay for it. So you mixed paid and free car. We have already paid cars in GT with no access to them. No problem with if count is OK. GT7 doesn't look much fine.
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I just don't see it that way, yes I put my money towards a season pass, but earning a car to me is also part of the rewarding experience. Which is what I like about GT in general, not just GT7. I would be given a taste of some cars in the game through arcade mode, which would motivate me to want to explore the career mode to see what else is out there.

Once again, I agree that earning cars in GT7 is waaay to grindy. I'm not arguing that it isn't, but I like that I have to earn the car. Just that I want it to be like how it was in Gran Turismo 1-4 instead of 5-7. Where you could sell cars over and over again, have fair amounts of races with good payouts, and a B-Spec mode to help you like in GT4.

Johnnn
I don't think credits are problem in Horizon. In H4 I had maximum amount even I didn't care about it. Cars are always there and they are probably cheated too.
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Yes, Horizon 4 had that, but I'm talking about the current Horizon. The last time I played it, I couldn't get certain cars at all. I tried getting a final gen Celica SS-I, nothing. Which means I now have to wait for PG to give me another means of getting it, if they do at all.
 
Some early GT6 days flashbacks...
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RandomCarGuy17
I did this yesterday, I finally got the 2017 Ford GT and completed my GT/GT40 collection. I have all of them now! Yes!
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Well, unless Polyphony decides to troll me by adding a Mark 2 or 3 GT40 as part of the first update pack of cars or something, but that's unlikely...or is it?
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Really good pic. 3 beautiful American cars.

I plan on doing a pic with the Ferrari hyper car lineup of:
288 GTO; F40; F50; Enzo; LaFerrari

Just need that Ferrari invitation and the F50 to comeback to the LCD.
 
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The Legend Cars today include the Porsche 356A Speedster and Lamborghini Miura Bertone Prototype. The Porsche is 1.5 million credits while the Miura is 2.5 million cr. Wow, the Miura got quite a discount in this game, it used to cost 15 million credits.

In the UCD, I spotted a Delorean, the normal AE86 Trueno, a 2006 Ford GT, and a Z33 Nissan Z.
 

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