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If the next update (next week?) doesn’t include selling that means it’ll be at least six months from launch at the earliest until selling appears (because the next update after this will likely be at the end of August, which is basically half a year post-launch). For something that was absolutely a staple of ‘trad career mode’ in every previous GT title, including GTS, and stated as being in GT7 by the PS Store’s pre-launch sales blurb, AND also promised by Kaz as ‘coming’ in his damage-limitation, post-launch apology/non-apology, that’s completely unacceptable in my view.

The ongoing lack of a full roster/league of single player events, again, something you’d take for granted in any trad GT title, let alone one touted as ‘the most comprehensive yet’, is a disgrace too. As is the ongoing situation in online races, with zero penalties and many races degenerating into absolute ****shows.

Normally by now, three, four, five months in, I’d be at endgame, doing the stuff I like; I’d have all the cars I wanted and I’d be time trialling them on my favourite circuits, or doing my favourite races again and again. My garage would be exactly how I want it; just my fave cars, no fat, no filler, no crap.

But not this time. Oh no. The joke mtx economy means I’m still short of a few fave cars (despite the recent roulette bonanza going some way to helping build up the credit balance) and if I want to earn at any decent rate I’m forced into just four races, which are good, but get boring fast if that’s all that’s on offer.

It being a dud game at launch was unfortunate. Still being dud nearly six months on can only be by design. I do not believe Sony/PD/Kaz are this incompetent. It’s deliberate and shameless.

If there’s no selling and/or no big drop of new events next update, I’m out for the summer; the kids are on school hols, the weather’s good for once, and I feel these Sony/PD clowns are wasting my time. I have better things to do. No point in even doing the daily marathon; the bonanza showed us the odds, 30k or 10k is the norm, not even a set of tyres.

I know many will defend this game whatever (because ‘the driving’s good, best graphics ever, doncha know?’ ) but no, it’s still a steaming heap of dung. With a lot of potential. If PD had any pride.
 
Nagaremono
If the next update (next week?) doesn’t include selling that means it’ll be at least six months from launch at the earliest until selling appears (because the next update after this will likely be at the end of August, which is basically half a year post-launch). For something that was absolutely a staple of ‘trad career mode’ in every previous GT title, including GTS, and stated as being in GT7 by the PS Store’s pre-launch sales blurb, AND also promised by Kaz as ‘coming’ in his damage-limitation, post-launch apology/non-apology, that’s completely unacceptable in my view.

The ongoing lack of a full roster/league of single player events, again, something you’d take for granted in any trad GT title, let alone one touted as ‘the most comprehensive yet’, is a disgrace too. As is the ongoing situation in online races, with zero penalties and many races degenerating into absolute ****shows.

Normally by now, three, four, five months in, I’d be at endgame, doing the stuff I like; I’d have all the cars I wanted and I’d be time trialling them on my favourite circuits, or doing my favourite races again and again. My garage would be exactly how I want it; just my fave cars, no fat, no filler, no crap.

But not this time. Oh no. The joke mtx economy means I’m still short of a few fave cars (despite the recent roulette bonanza going some way to helping build up the credit balance) and if I want to earn at any decent rate I’m forced into just four races, which are good, but get boring fast if that’s all that’s on offer.

It being a dud game at launch was unfortunate. Still being dud nearly six months on can only be by design. I do not believe Sony/PD/Kaz are this incompetent. It’s deliberate and shameless.

If there’s no selling and/or no big drop of new events next update, I’m out for the summer; the kids are on school hols, the weather’s good for once, and I feel these Sony/PD clowns are wasting my time. I have better things to do. No point in even doing the daily marathon; the bonanza showed us the odds, 30k or 10k is the norm, not even a set of tyres.

I know many will defend this game whatever (because ‘the driving’s good, best graphics ever, doncha know?’ ) but no, it’s still a steaming heap of dung. With a lot of potential. If PD had any pride.
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Just take a break I left it for a couple of months and it was fresh again. The economy isnt the best, but if you have fore knowledge from GTS you can avoid buying expensive turkeys. The trick to it is not playing the game for credits, only run cars you like with a set up you like in custom or arcade mode this way you don't have to nerf your vehicle to fit regs. The Tomahawk glitch was mana from heaven despite being boring at the time, it allowed the game to open up. I reached a similar point to yourself after over grinding... it sours the experience horribly the monetizing is truly anti-fun, so return after a few updates ;-) I recommend spending some time with grid legends it will tide you over, and will make you appreciate GT7 afterwards.
 
Nagaremono
If the next update (next week?) doesn’t include selling that means it’ll be at least six months from launch at the earliest until selling appears (because the next update after this will likely be at the end of August, which is basically half a year post-launch). For something that was absolutely a staple of ‘trad career mode’ in every previous GT title, including GTS, and stated as being in GT7 by the PS Store’s pre-launch sales blurb, AND also promised by Kaz as ‘coming’ in his damage-limitation, post-launch apology/non-apology, that’s completely unacceptable in my view.

The ongoing lack of a full roster/league of single player events, again, something you’d take for granted in any trad GT title, let alone one touted as ‘the most comprehensive yet’, is a disgrace too. As is the ongoing situation in online races, with zero penalties and many races degenerating into absolute ****shows.

Normally by now, three, four, five months in, I’d be at endgame, doing the stuff I like; I’d have all the cars I wanted and I’d be time trialling them on my favourite circuits, or doing my favourite races again and again. My garage would be exactly how I want it; just my fave cars, no fat, no filler, no crap.

But not this time. Oh no. The joke mtx economy means I’m still short of a few fave cars (despite the recent roulette bonanza going some way to helping build up the credit balance) and if I want to earn at any decent rate I’m forced into just four races, which are good, but get boring fast if that’s all that’s on offer.

It being a dud game at launch was unfortunate. Still being dud nearly six months on can only be by design. I do not believe Sony/PD/Kaz are this incompetent. It’s deliberate and shameless.

If there’s no selling and/or no big drop of new events next update, I’m out for the summer; the kids are on school hols, the weather’s good for once, and I feel these Sony/PD clowns are wasting my time. I have better things to do. No point in even doing the daily marathon; the bonanza showed us the odds, 30k or 10k is the norm, not even a set of tyres.

I know many will defend this game whatever (because ‘the driving’s good, best graphics ever, doncha know?’ ) but no, it’s still a steaming heap of dung. With a lot of potential. If PD had any pride.
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The funniest part is once you realise that any one of us could probably single-handedly add hundreds of events into the game if we had the required equipment, but PD simply refuses to.
 
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Nagaremono
If the next update (next week?) doesn’t include selling that means it’ll be at least six months from launch at the earliest until selling appears (because the next update after this will likely be at the end of August, which is basically half a year post-launch). For something that was absolutely a staple of ‘trad career mode’ in every previous GT title, including GTS, and stated as being in GT7 by the PS Store’s pre-launch sales blurb, AND also promised by Kaz as ‘coming’ in his damage-limitation, post-launch apology/non-apology, that’s completely unacceptable in my view.

The ongoing lack of a full roster/league of single player events, again, something you’d take for granted in any trad GT title, let alone one touted as ‘the most comprehensive yet’, is a disgrace too. As is the ongoing situation in online races, with zero penalties and many races degenerating into absolute ****shows.

Normally by now, three, four, five months in, I’d be at endgame, doing the stuff I like; I’d have all the cars I wanted and I’d be time trialling them on my favourite circuits, or doing my favourite races again and again. My garage would be exactly how I want it; just my fave cars, no fat, no filler, no crap.

But not this time. Oh no. The joke mtx economy means I’m still short of a few fave cars (despite the recent roulette bonanza going some way to helping build up the credit balance) and if I want to earn at any decent rate I’m forced into just four races, which are good, but get boring fast if that’s all that’s on offer.

It being a dud game at launch was unfortunate. Still being dud nearly six months on can only be by design. I do not believe Sony/PD/Kaz are this incompetent. It’s deliberate and shameless.

If there’s no selling and/or no big drop of new events next update, I’m out for the summer; the kids are on school hols, the weather’s good for once, and I feel these Sony/PD clowns are wasting my time. I have better things to do. No point in even doing the daily marathon; the bonanza showed us the odds, 30k or 10k is the norm, not even a set of tyres.

I know many will defend this game whatever (because ‘the driving’s good, best graphics ever, doncha know?’ ) but no, it’s still a steaming heap of dung. With a lot of potential. If PD had any pride.
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For me the lack of selling truly makes the game boring to play. I have reached the 'end game' too early since I have now almost every car, many of which I do not want. In titles prior, it would take me years to achieve this since I was the type of player whom constantly sold cars, bought them again, sold them, etc. That was a regular main part of my gameplay and I rather enjoyed it. This lack of selling ability has to be one of the biggest jokes ever told in a racing game of this type.

I am like you, if the next update doesn't have the ability to sell cars then I'm out for awhile since I feel there is little left for me to do but drive in circles for money which I don't even need anymore as I have too many cars now. No reason or incentive to buy more.
 
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Adding B spec isn't a problem, but not focusing on getting other things right first is!

They'll have different teams working on different parts of the game, and lets say that one or two of those teams really need to start delivering! (Single player events with a revamped race menu layout, online features and support/development)

B spec i would actually use for a couple of reasons (stig like 'independent adjudicator' for testing tunes of cars and more so for some sort of management mode for a change) , but that's just me and that's probably the extent I'd use it for like the older games.
 
B-Spec worked in GT4 as a way to earn money somewhat passively (e.x DTM Championship/CLK GTR method) and being able to do all those long endurance races that most people otherwise wouldn't be arsed to complete by themselves. Not to mention the 3x speed ups and ability to swap between A/B Spec at the pits.

GT5 introduced a more sophisticated system but also completely separated it from the A-Spec events which ruined it for me. GT6 once again revamped the system but it was introduced one year too late, not to mention it was pretty useless as it only worked on Career races.

Right now, I don't see it as a priority unless we could use it to easily farm money afk. There's far more issues that needs to be dealt with first.
 
ToyGTone
B-Spec worked in GT4 as a way to earn money somewhat passively (e.x DTM Championship/CLK GTR method) and being able to do all those long endurance races that most people otherwise wouldn't be arsed to complete by themselves.
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That's been looming in the back of my mind for awhile. The convenience of B-Spec was pretty much that in a nutshell. But it's definitely too late to even make something like that worthwhile.

If PD were to introduce something akin to anything over two hours, B-Spec would more or less be suggested ten times over.
But more importantly Bob's ascension against the Skynet's Sophy.
 
You only have to watch that video to see "B-Spec" clearly isn't anywhere close to being an actual mode. The button just enables them to run all cars as AI cars, and not much else. There is no user control of any kind. If it is coming, it's a long way off based on that.
 
Cosbuster
If that's a big feature, then the game truly is a lost cause.
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It's a good feature to add, this feature being worked on certainly doesn't mean the game is a lost cause, there are enough other far better reasons to beleive that. It needs a huge single player content dump, I'm uncertain we'll one given the drip feeding we've received so far. But I still welcome the addition of features like this that improve the game in other ways.
 
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Nebuc72
I mean, is it not? It's a fantastic QoL feature people have been asking for for a while, whilst it might not be big on paper It's certainly something that shows they are actively listening to user feedback and makes navigating the menus a hell of a lot better.
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Yes and no. It's a feature that already existed in the old games, they're just bringing it back. Another one to add to the list of "Why did it disappear in the first place".
 
Cosbuster
If that's a big feature, then the game truly is a lost cause.
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It's a massively needed QoL feature yes. The only real point of contention is that it's yet another thing on the list that should have been in the game from launch. It made doing manual 'Hopper' style PP lobbies a breeze in the past games since you could try to fit any car you wanted to setup to any spec without have to leave the lobby like we do now.
 
The saddest part of all of this, is that after so many iterations of GT, we finally got the cosmetic features and livery features we've been asking for, for years... only to have a quarter of the car list from previous GTs.

Watching that "B spec" video and seeing the 22B in front of that Alpine, I thought back to GT5 and racing a modified '99 Subaru STI WRX Sport Wagon. Or the 2000 Bug eye version. Or maybe you wanted the blob eye? Or what about the hawk eye? It didn't matter! Whatever trim and year of any car you wanted, it was there! THAT's what made Granturismo special. Sure, Forza had a better livery editor and cosmetic system, but we had niche trim levels and several variants.

Drag lobbies and cruise lobbies used to be so fun because you had people modifying their IRL cars in-game, or you saw a car, you would never even bat an eye to, perform in a way you never thought it would, which now made you interested in said car. For instance, retro JDM lobbies and toge lobbies. You would see an Isuzu Bellet 1600 absolutely dust a Nissan Bluebird 1600, or a Skyline 2000-GTR.


Now, it's just the same damn cars over and over again. Drag lobbies have the same meta cars in all of them which makes the lobbies a drag, pun intended. Drift lobbies are the same handful of drift cars. Racing leagues are composed of the same two or three cars because they perform the best, unless BOP is turned off. Livery lobbies are cool but, again, it's mostly the same handful of cars, most of which are racing replicas.


It's just stale. I appreciate all the features, and the back to the roots mentality, but it honestly feels half-assed and hollow. I can't believe I'm back to actually wanting 17 different Miatas, or 24 different Skyline variants...

PD is already having 3rd party studios help with their car models, so why not add more civillian cars? Why not add more sports cars? You have the licenses, you have the access... why try to compete in the GT3 and GT4 events when you have simulators like ACC and iRacing that already do that? Why force your way into this eSports genre when you can just be what you've always been, but now in full HD and proper cosmetics.

It boggles my mind.
 
Noticed an interesting thing, not sure if anyone paid attention to that before. When u complete BMW M menu book it shows you three M3s in The City of Arts and Sciences, same location we had in GT6 as photomode location. And, looking closely at it, the textures and edges and all that, it looks like the exact 3D model from GT6. San Galgano Abbey we see at some point is probably also the same 3D model from GT5. Bring back photomode locations, PD!
 
Team THRT Drift
The saddest part of all of this, is that after so many iterations of GT, we finally got the cosmetic features and livery features we've been asking for, for years... only to have a quarter of the car list from previous GTs.

Watching that "B spec" video and seeing the 22B in front of that Alpine, I thought back to GT5 and racing a modified '99 Subaru STI WRX Sport Wagon. Or the 2000 Bug eye version. Or maybe you wanted the blob eye? Or what about the hawk eye? It didn't matter! Whatever trim and year of any car you wanted, it was there! THAT's what made Granturismo special. Sure, Forza had a better livery editor and cosmetic system, but we had niche trim levels and several variants.

Drag lobbies and cruise lobbies used to be so fun because you had people modifying their IRL cars in-game, or you saw a car, you would never even bat an eye to, perform in a way you never thought it would, which now made you interested in said car. For instance, retro JDM lobbies and toge lobbies. You would see an Isuzu Bellet 1600 absolutely dust a Nissan Bluebird 1600, or a Skyline 2000-GTR.


Now, it's just the same damn cars over and over again. Drag lobbies have the same meta cars in all of them which makes the lobbies a drag, pun intended. Drift lobbies are the same handful of drift cars. Racing leagues are composed of the same two or three cars because they perform the best, unless BOP is turned off. Livery lobbies are cool but, again, it's mostly the same handful of cars, most of which are racing replicas.


It's just stale. I appreciate all the features, and the back to the roots mentality, but it honestly feels half-assed and hollow. I can't believe I'm back to actually wanting 17 different Miatas, or 24 different Skyline variants...

PD is already having 3rd party studios help with their car models, so why not add more civillian cars? Why not add more sports cars? You have the licenses, you have the access... why try to compete in the GT3 and GT4 events when you have simulators like ACC and iRacing that already do that? Why force your way into this eSports genre when you can just be what you've always been, but now in full HD and proper cosmetics.

It boggles my mind.
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I do miss the lobbies I'd enter, with a slammed(no mod) MINI One. It was more of a chance not seeing the same car as everyone else. Like you say, we can now use the LE to make just about anything, but we know it's just the one car.
 
Cosbuster
If that's a big feature, then the game truly is a lost cause.
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I mean, it’s bad that it wasn’t there at launch, but very good that it’s returning. This massively improves the tediousness of the gameplay loop, especially in lobbies. If you want to start customizing a road car in a public lobby you have to exit all the way back to the main menu to buy a part, then find the lobby again and rejoin. That’s like a 5min process minimum that’s getting eliminated.
 
Team THRT Drift
PD is already having 3rd party studios help with their car models, so why not add more civillian cars? Why not add more sports cars? You have the licenses, you have the access... why try to compete in the GT3 and GT4 events when you have simulators like ACC and iRacing that already do that?
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For that, we would have to question why they're slowly releasing content instead of the rater the were doing in GT Sport despite the resources they're now using. The way they're handling DLC right now, we'll probably not see even half of the cars we all will want until years from now.

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The way dlc is handled right now is lacking and just feels like they're doing it on purpose to keep players interested and hooked on playing. When in reality, that'll have the opposite effect. Players were drawn to GT Sport because they were giving a heavy amount of support in their updates. New wheel and color samples for cars, 7-12 cars per month, a new layout for one track one month and then a new or returning track in the next month. On top of that, a new set of events every month for GT League mode. GT7 should've been continuing this and they haven't.

If I'm honest, I'm also getting more agitated myself on how quiet this company is. They always been this way, but that became a problem in the past decade. It's going to become harder and harder for PD to get away with keeping quiet. They'll pay for it at some point if they haven't already.
 
RandomCarGuy17
The way dlc is handled right now is lacking and just feels like they're doing it on purpose to keep players interested and hooked on playing.
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This. I think they just have no idea how to run a live service game without comprimising some stuff. They should have just stuck to classic single player game instead of half-assing this. I'm still beyond pissed that they made this game online only because of FIA, then FIA decided to jump to AC. Now this crap is useless.
 

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