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The problem isn't monetizing it's the patents which is monopoly rents which is a legislated [partial] market failure or markets behaving dysfunctional. Also fictional cars like the most VGT cars in GT should also not be patented or use-rights exclusive to Sony & Polyphony digital. Most of the profits/sales is because many enough game players across console/pc think a game is entertaining enough to buy. Which is not mostly because of new real world cars which are still produced and sold in the real world.
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Gran Turismo Evo"Please look forward to the future evolution of Gran Turismo" - Kaz
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The righteous & ethical law would be that even if you don't own the design rights & trade marks for the brand, it should be unlawful to put it behind a paywall or to charge money for it otherwise. But indirectly generating advertising income should be allowed. I think Creative Commons is the correct law&rule for what I support for all digital stuff in movies&books&video games. And in video games and movies we pay for the game and the movie we don't pay for the brands in the games & movies. And the fun isn't in the brands themselves.
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I think that there is a significant of content being pooled for future utilization, whether being held off for more longevity for GT7 or for a larger GT8. There is certainly the early versions of UX/UI developed for GT8 and probably a hollow career mode. But with the progression of Sophy and new ideas that Sophy can be implemented into are going to play a pivotal role in that. I would bet that the development of Sophy is actually slowing the development of GT8
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I honestly think they'll keep GT7 alive for longer than they usually keep their games alive.
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Word salad.
Good job that's not the case then.
GT should be fine then, given how slow it generally is to get new cars in it. I mean you're still wrong, but you do you.
Word salad.
And that would work how?
Why? Let's take a recent example of a popular DLC, one that sold almost entirely due to the 'brand' content it contained. The Super Tourer DLC for RaceRoom, should only the studio be able to profit from that content, and not the companies that designed, built and raced the cars themselves?
You pay for both, because brands in games (which is what we are talking about) are a draw to the target audience and mutually beneficial to both the brand and the studio.
Do you know how much demand certain brands get in titles? The presence of the Nürburgring for example?
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I did a race at Le Mans against Sophy on professional difficulty and got punted into last place. Imagine my suprise when I ended up winning the race.
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I could've sworn they said this was the plan way back when GT7 first came out. As long as the updates are free, I don't see the issue with continuing to evolve and add content to the base GT7 game. It's not like the experience of a GT8 would be wildly different than what GT7 has become now, anyway.
Plus, it saves me the $70 or whatever in having to buy a whole new game.
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Especially if PD feels what they are is working so why change it up? I don't for see GT8 being different from GT7. Maybe, hopefully some newer cars Sophy AI but still chase the rabbit etc... Hopefully I'm wrong and they do the unexpectedA lot of people are convinced that PD's had a change of heart out of nowhere and that GT8 will miraculously launch with a massive GT4-tier career. Which is... optimistic, to say the least.
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I think it depends on where you are with the game now. Especially along the single player progression.
Like personally I’m totally ready for a new game now because I’ve pretty much done everything, and I’m pretty fed up with the broken multiplayer side.
A few new cars and a smattering of events every month or two might keep me going for a weekend or so, but really anything short of an entirely new single player campaign and a completely overhauled multiplayer won’t get me back to the point of playing every single day like I was at the beginning.
Either that, or a GT8.
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I agree with this. I would love to be able to go into a brands showroom and buy any car from their catalogue and then decide which content I'd like to play. I'll happily pay per car and get what I really want, rather than a garage of 600 cars from which I only use 10. Same for tracks but to a lesser extend.
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This is an interesting thought really. Do they take notice of feedback at all over at PD do we think?
They’d have to wade through a lot of silly nitpicking and unreasonable requests if they did, but surely they’ll have noticed that everyone, literally everyone, who has bothered to share their experience of GT7 on the internet has mentioned how bad the AI is and how crappy the Cafe Menu career is, as well as the litany of problems with the multiplayer experience. These things are universally lambasted.
They must know. So, the question is, do they care? No matter what I’m sure a lot of people will buy GT8, but surely that’s not all they’re bothered about. You’d think they’d prefer people to actually love it as well, right?
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The same complaints about AI/chase the rabbit were made with GT Sport.
And GT6.
And GT5.
GT8 ain't fixing it. Not whilst they're out here forcing Sophy to follow the same format.
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I am way past single player (not 100% everything but not time for that). The thing I enjoy the most is racing with the Titans (our small not serious league, but we try to drive clean most of the time). And if I have enough time I do the TTs and the weeklies, and my GT7 is as full as possible.
I gotta ask because I don't understand....
I'm seriously not trying to debate or argue. I'm just curious why some people say they have nothing to do in GT7 or in any racing game, for that matter.
Is it because the people that complain only like doing a race once, or maybe they see GT as car collecting and nothing else? 🤔
For example, when I was younger, I played Madden incessantly. I used almost every team, same team multiple seasons, and won countless superbowls. I never got sick of playing because it's a sports game. Sports can be repeated over and over. That's the beauty of sports. Racing is a sport, so I find the same value each time I race. I'm just confused how some can say they have nothing else to do in a racing game. 🤷♂️
I'm seriously not trying to debate or argue. I'm just curious why some people say they have nothing to do in GT7 or in any racing game, for that matter.
Is it because the people that complain only like doing a race once, or maybe they see GT as car collecting and nothing else? 🤔
For example, when I was younger, I played Madden incessantly. I used almost every team, same team multiple seasons, and won countless superbowls. I never got sick of playing because it's a sports game. Sports can be repeated over and over. That's the beauty of sports. Racing is a sport, so I find the same value each time I race. I'm just confused how some can say they have nothing else to do in a racing game. 🤷♂️
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I don’t know where people find the energy to fantasize about GT8. For me the car collecting journey in GT7 has felt like a test in patience and endurance. So I really wouldn’t mind if I get to enjoy what I’ve accumulated in GT7 for another three years. GT8 will put all the effort back to square one. 
I’m not saying it’s not enjoyable to build a virtual car collection, but it can sometimes feel like work with all the FOMO aspects to navigate around. After so many GT and Forza games built around the same game mechanics over the years, it just gets increasingly chore-like to manage all these digital dream garages.
As others have said, we probably shouldn’t expect GT8 to address decade old complaints. People always think PD will finally make the game many players wish they would do, but PD has kept doing their own thing. And maybe they should stick to their own recipe considering the ongoing success of the franchise. To be honest, I’ve learned to embrace GT’s quirks. The chase the rabbit format may be weird and predictable, but nonetheless it has always felt kind of rewarding to catch the front of the field, even with all the artificial rubberbanding and what not. It has its own charm compared to racing games which are preoccupied with simulating close proximity racing more accurately.
I’m not saying it’s not enjoyable to build a virtual car collection, but it can sometimes feel like work with all the FOMO aspects to navigate around. After so many GT and Forza games built around the same game mechanics over the years, it just gets increasingly chore-like to manage all these digital dream garages.
As others have said, we probably shouldn’t expect GT8 to address decade old complaints. People always think PD will finally make the game many players wish they would do, but PD has kept doing their own thing. And maybe they should stick to their own recipe considering the ongoing success of the franchise. To be honest, I’ve learned to embrace GT’s quirks. The chase the rabbit format may be weird and predictable, but nonetheless it has always felt kind of rewarding to catch the front of the field, even with all the artificial rubberbanding and what not. It has its own charm compared to racing games which are preoccupied with simulating close proximity racing more accurately.
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The reason it happens is likely because people see GT8 as the only reasonable reason for why the current content drops aren't as significant as they were in GT Sport.
It's a coping mechanism of sorts, trying to think of a logical explanation for why things are the way they are in the most positive way they can.
Only other assumption they might be able to come to is that Polyphony have dropped the ball and slowed production entirely, and they don't want to believe that.
I personally believe it's more to do with not having as big of a stockpile of unreleased content as GT Sport had at launch, and that the larger updates Sport had burned through that stockpile faster to the point where the production rate & update contents levelled out over time. Hence why Sport had smaller updates as time went on too.
For GT7 they probably had less unreleased content at launch for them to use in updates, so the update sizes remain about the same as GT Sport's by the end of its content cycle.
It's a coping mechanism of sorts, trying to think of a logical explanation for why things are the way they are in the most positive way they can.
Only other assumption they might be able to come to is that Polyphony have dropped the ball and slowed production entirely, and they don't want to believe that.
I personally believe it's more to do with not having as big of a stockpile of unreleased content as GT Sport had at launch, and that the larger updates Sport had burned through that stockpile faster to the point where the production rate & update contents levelled out over time. Hence why Sport had smaller updates as time went on too.
For GT7 they probably had less unreleased content at launch for them to use in updates, so the update sizes remain about the same as GT Sport's by the end of its content cycle.
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I believe PD intends to support GT7 for considerably longer than GT Sport, so the content updates are more spread out and smaller in order to preserve a buffer in case staff productivity for whatever reason slows down.
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Only thing about that is Kaz said COVID didn’t slow them down. Plus, we get cars when they’re ready. Probably the only thing slowing PD down would be licences. I’d think having modelling contracted would help in producing whatever needs PD may require. Which I’d gather quality control is factored in to whenever they release vehicle content.
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