Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[AmyUD06]

Do we think Sony's current seeming withdrawal from in-house live service games will affect PD in any way?

For those not aware, it recently came out they've cancelled two more in-development service games, to go along with the earlier cancellation of the Last of Us multiplayer game, the shutdown of London Studio last year who were thought to be working on a service game and the whole Concord fiasco.

For the millionth time, GT7 is not a "live-service game" by any established metric.

Games as a service - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[05XR8]

Wonder if we'd see something new from the "Maestro" with his Ferrari deal.

https://www.motor1.com/news/747903/lewis-hamilton-ferrari-f40/

 

[LSFDRX]

For the millionth time, GT7 is not a "live-service game" by any established metric.

Games as a service - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Uh, in the link you provided it literally lists microtransactions (necessary or not) as an example of a live-service game. I'd say that's a fairly well established metric.

From YOUR LINK, under "examples - microtransactions": "a game that aims to provide ongoing service will gear its design and financial approach to assure that a small fraction of players will purchase this content immediately rather than grinding through the game for a long time to obtain it."

Maybe you've had to say it a million times because people keep telling you you're wrong?

 

[RACECAR]

Interestingly though (at least last I read), Sony themselves do NOT consider Gran Turismo 7 as a Live service game so take from that what you will...

 

[AmyUD06]

Uh, in the link you provided it literally lists microtransactions (necessary or not) as an example of a live-service game. I'd say that's a fairly well established metric.

From YOUR LINK, under "examples - microtransactions": "a game that aims to provide ongoing service will gear its design and financial approach to assure that a small fraction of players will purchase this content immediately rather than grinding through the game for a long time to obtain it."

Maybe you've had to say it a million times because people keep telling you you're wrong?

Are all things that are yellow bananas? Just because it has one factor common to live service games, does not make it a live service game.

You pay full normal retail price at purchase and actual content updates are free. That leans very heavily against the GaaS model.

 

[mastretta_mx]

They may as well have said it's coming February 🤣 That would be closer to the truth than January. Fingers crossed we get a decent update. They've had 3 months to come up with something.

January 30th still being January not February😅, tbh the moment thwy announce the exhibition series for this wednesday I though the update was going to be released until next week

 

[GlamFM]

It’s so weird to me that Sony would go to studios like Bluepoint and Bend to fulfill their misguided service game dreams instead of looking at what they have and how they can monetise it better. Not to give anyone ideas, but if there’s one franchise that Sony owns that lends itself perfectly to the service game formula it’s Gran Turismo.
I’m happy they don’t exploit it or me or us (yet), but I would not be too surprised if GT8 showed up and had things like car passes, car packs and exclusive nonsense that con only be obtained with real money.

Anyway. Let Bend do Days Gone 2 and Bluepoint the Bloodbourne remake is what I’m trying to say.

 

[LSFDRX]

Are all things that are yellow bananas? Just because it has one factor common to live service games, does not make it a live service game.

You pay full normal retail price at purchase and actual content updates are free. That leans very heavily against the GaaS model.

Under "forms of live service games" it lists micro-transaction as one of the examples of a live service game. I mean, you posted the proof yourself.

And your analogy doesn't work, because the definition of a live service game isn't unambiguous. A yellow banana is a yellow banana, and that has nothing to do with anything else yellow or the fact that it's still a banana. Haha.

Here's some quotes from the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a published and peer-reviewed paper cited in the very article you posted:

"those with a long-term iteration strategy of periodic content increments qualify as service games."

"...towards a player-centric model based on updates, recurring revenues and player retention."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9420891/


Whether or not we have to pay for the DLC doesn't matter, regular DLC itself makes a game live service.

Thanks for the break from boring medical research... now, back to it.

 

[Fernandoz]

For the millionth time, GT7 is not a "live-service game" by any established metric.

Games as a service - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is. Sony considers it as one, by definition it is.

Trusting wiki is not good.

 

[LSFDRX]

It is. Sony considers it as one, by definition it is.

Trusting wiki is not good.

Trusting Wiki is most of the time just fine, you just need to look and ensure that the cited references the info comes from is legit.

 

[PSN offapple]

Interestingly though (at least last I read), Sony themselves do NOT consider Gran Turismo 7 as a Live service game so take from that what you will...

The mention of Live Service reminded me of this from a couple years ago:

An Update to Our Players - Information - Gran Turismo 7 - gran-turismo.com

Dear Gran Turismo Community,Thank you for your continued support and feedback on Gran Turismo 7, your voices have not gone unheard. I would like to apologise for the frustration and confusion caused last week with our updates which resulted in not only a server outage but also adjustments to the...

www.gran-turismo.com

There's a chance the term was misused or potentially lost in translation, but this is Kaz referring to GT7 as a Live Service himself.
It's perhaps not a conventional Live Service, which might be why Sony wouldn't consider it as such going by what you said.
The "Weekly Challenges" do kinda function like a miniature Battle Pass of sorts though, so there's that. Could be argued that the rotating Seasonal Events from GT5 & GT6 also made them have a Live Service element.

Tangent point.

Because someone will probably bring it up, those 24 Hour endurance races that are mentioned in the screenshot are probably being waited on until the reintroduction of B-Spec, so the A.I. can take some of the driving stints, and the ability to save progress mid-race. The B-Spec point in turn is waiting on Sophy A.I. development, which is likely what changed the 24H races from being "near-term updates" as this announcement predates any plans for the A.I. to my knowledge.

The point that's perhaps overlooked in that statement is that those 24H races will be Missions, meaning if they are like other Mission events they will be one-time prize payouts. However this statement was a couple years ago, so plans may have changed since then.