Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Nakano219]

This is interesting to watch play out, it feels like the culmination of the issue we've often talked about where PD try to spin both the classic content plate and the Sport Mode plate and end up kind of ineffectual at both.

If I were PD, I think I'd see the writing on the wall, pivot away from Sport Mode, and re-tool GT8's online offerings to be more based around the whole car roster at the expense of the GTWS. But I could also see them desperately trying to hold on to streamers and top-tier players who they worry won't play non-race car content.

 

[05XR8]

The Seasonals was such a good thing.

 

[tankuroded]

It seems the fad of eSports is coming to an end with partners pulling out of GTWS and now this, I assume nobody is seeing an adequate return on their investments.

I mean, that is why people are skeptical of Rennsport to begin with.

 

[Zenwarrior]

Hopefully with GTWS ending their partners, PD will be more flexible about adding newer race cars.











Or maybe adding more quirky cars like the Kangoo, CH-R, Jimny, etc

 

[tankuroded]

The only way I'm interested in VGTs is if they're rooted in reality. Make something tangible. But I don't think that's the purpose of them.

Honda and Suzuki did well making realistic VGTs (aside from those who slap body kits into existing concept cars and calling it a day) imo.

We need a new Red Bull car. And the RB17 would be a great addition for that since it's a real thing. Otherwise I'm not sure what manufacture would create a new "unlimited" racecar.

A new Red Bull X-series would likely be in doubt as Adrian Newey has moved to Aston Martin.

To replace the X2019 Competition, maybe a switch to the Aston Martin Valkyrie AMR Pro would be a good idea.

I kinda have feeling the F3500-A might serve as a replacement for the X2019, though using an old-style F1 car is a questionable choice (though they did use the F1500T-A one GT World Tour in the GT Sport days.)

Perhaps a modernized Formula GT built to modern hybrid rules might be it...?

Hopefully with GTWS ending their partners, PD will be more flexible about adding newer race cars.

Or maybe adding more quirky cars like the Kangoo, CH-R, Jimny, etc

I feel it could be the end of the race car group system and essentially going back to "Smash Bros with race cars" like in GT6's WTCC events, too.

 

[Hdbd04]

It seems the fad of eSports is coming to an end with partners pulling out of GTWS and now this, I assume nobody is seeing an adequate return on their investments.

Makes me wonder how RaceRoom managed to hold on for 12 years already

 

[RACECAR]

It seems the fad of eSports is coming to an end with partners pulling out of GTWS and now this, I assume nobody is seeing an adequate return on their investments

Only two partners I've seen exit are Fanatec (who also didn't renew their sponsorship with the SRO as well so that seems more like a specific company decision) and Michelin. Not sure what was behind this particar stoppage of a series but if the F1 stuff is anything to go-by, eSports ain't done just yet

I mean, that is why people are skeptical of Rennsport to begin with.

Rennsport had ALOT of reasons people are skeptical about it (Middle Eastern funding, NFTs, etc).

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Only two partners I've seen exit are Fanatec (who also didn't renew their sponsorship with the SRO as well so that seems more like a specific company decision) and Michelin. Not sure what was behind this particar stoppage of a series but if the F1 stuff is anything to go-by, eSports ain't done just yet

Fanatec are still there but I wonder if that is just because their original deal lasted for so many years and hasn't ended yet, it's no secret that their finances are/were a mess and they were spending well beyond their means on marketing. Ironically they're the only one which makes sense given they're advertising sim racing hardware to sim racers.

The other partner that left is Genesis.

 

[Fezzik]

Fanatec are still there but I wonder if that is just because their original deal lasted for so many years and hasn't ended yet, it's no secret that their finances are/were a mess and they were spending well beyond their means on marketing. Ironically they're the only one which makes sense given they're advertising sim racing hardware to sim racers.

The other partner that left is Genesis.

Mazda and Brembo are official GTWS partners (along with TGR still), Genesis isn't.

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[hyperspeed980]

This is interesting to watch play out, it feels like the culmination of the issue we've often talked about where PD try to spin both the classic content plate and the Sport Mode plate and end up kind of ineffectual at both.

If I were PD, I think I'd see the writing on the wall, pivot away from Sport Mode, and re-tool GT8's online offerings to be more based around the whole car roster at the expense of the GTWS. But I could also see them desperately trying to hold on to streamers and top-tier players who they worry won't play non-race car content.

When GT7 first came out and both Daily Race offerings were in tuned road cars with power limits, I genuinely thought that was the direction this game would take throughout its entire lifecycle. Instead they hard-pivoted back to mind-numbingly boring group races in under a month.

It's not surprising why - those races always manage to pull in the highest player counts - but my Lord, do they get tiring quickly.

 

[Mathaios_C]

Guys, that’s just how business works. End of partnership and they try to build new ones. Always been like this. End of a cycle and the beginning of a new hopefully a good one.

Gran Turismo is a strong franchise but Motorsport and car business is an expensive one and not an healthy one. Let’s see what happens next. For sure it feels this like a transition year for GTWS. And for sure it’s not clear anymore what’s next and what’s the scope for the esports for gran turismo. It feels like something hold them. So or they go all in like they were doing with GTSport or they decide to step back…


Ps: i forgot to say something: and maybe the model built for GT7 is not sustainable on the economic side. 3 years that the game is out and they earn money just from the copies sold and i think a really small % from the useless micro transactions. So they probably need to rethink and rework everything if they want to try to monetise and re invest in an healthy way the money…

 

[PSN offapple]

Is it possible that there's a point where a racing game reaches a maximum limit of real world circuits due to licensing costs? At least outside of a paid DLC model.
Because it's kinda been feeling like GT7 is at such a point.
There's a general lack of new circuits, but also the last 3 added have all been fictional, so they don't cost anything to license.
Maybe some of the existing real world circuit roster won't be carried over to the next game, to make room in the budget for licensing new ones, though I hope that's not the situation Polyphony are in.

 

[mastretta_mx]

It seems the fad of eSports is coming to an end with partners pulling out of GTWS and now this, I assume nobody is seeing an adequate return on their investments.

This, unfortunately the pandemic created a bubble around esports (specially in Sim racing), but also we need to add that the last couple of years have been challenging for the automotive industry from an economic perspective, and all the topic around tariffs lately is not helping the companies, so they are looking how to save resources

 

[MIE1992]

Honestly, I think I'd be very much OK with more championships in general, even if there's no real-world competition or prizes. Indeed, I think that's what's holding the championship system back: it seems that as it stands, every online competition involves an in-person event with real prizes on the line.

 

[RPR6143 RPG]

In think the livery editor works a little differently in GT7 than GT Sport because it's now part of GT Auto. I think an offline livery editor should be added at some point like how it's done in the Forza games.

 

[bduddy]

When GT7 first came out and both Daily Race offerings were in tuned road cars with power limits, I genuinely thought that was the direction this game would take throughout its entire lifecycle. Instead they hard-pivoted back to mind-numbingly boring group races in under a month.

It's not surprising why - those races always manage to pull in the highest player counts - but my Lord, do they get tiring quickly.

I think one of the biggest missed opportunities of this game was giving up on PP and power-weight races so quickly. We have 500+ cars and all we really get to race is the same 10-15 good Gr.3 cars and maybe 10-15 others over and over and over and over and over and over again?

Honestly, I think I'd be very much OK with more championships in general, even if there's no real-world competition or prizes. Indeed, I think that's what's holding the championship system back: it seems that as it stands, every online competition involves an in-person event with real prizes on the line.

I really agree with this one too, I've floated the idea of a tuner cup a couple times. There just isn't enough to do right now.

 

[MIE1992]

I really agree with this one too, I've floated the idea of a tuner cup a couple times. There just isn't enough to do right now.

Seriously, and it doesn't help that more or less 99% of Daily Races that feature a given category such as Gr.3 seem to include every car in that group, rather than specialized selections. A really good example of that would be how on rare occasions, there'll be Gr.1 events that only let you use the Group C racers within that category. I got other games I wanna play anyway, so I very well may move onto something else after the Nations Cup concludes in mid-May.

 

[ScottPuss20]

I think the GT World Series is a waste of time and money now. I was surprised to see it continue after the FIA partnership ended and I believe it's only a matter of time before it's canned. Hardly anybody watches it and the people that compete in it are not enjoying it. No point pressing on with something that doesn't work.

 

[eran0004]

I think the GT World Series is a waste of time and money now. I was surprised to see it continue after the FIA partnership ended and I believe it's only a matter of time before it's canned. Hardly anybody watches it and the people that compete in it are not enjoying it. No point pressing on with something that doesn't work.

What makes you think hardly anybody watches it?

 

[PSN offapple]

There are only 2 reasons why I personally watch the live event stuff:

• The in-game rewards for doing so.
• The rare opportunity to hear more about the future of the game, and potentially showcased content (e.g. new car, track or feature debut).

The competition itself I'm not interested in, but it could be worse. At least it's not full of cringe eSport cliques/teams, or has the heightened controversy & toxicity that comes when prize money gets involved.

 

[MIE1992]

I do hope something replaces the TGR Cup. Then again, Toyota is the biggest automaker around, so I'm not sure if other automakers would be likely to have the same capital to have such a series. I suppose I can only dream of a more formal Porsche-themed championship, for one idea.

The competition itself I'm not interested in, but it could be worse.

I do think it could be more interesting if PD fully leaned into what makes GT relatively unique compared to say, Assetto Corsa. For example, the sheer diversity of the cars in Gr.1 - as well as the fact that many real-world LMDh/LMH racers would likely end up there if added to GT - would make it a really cool addition to the Manufacturers Cup. Honestly, I'd love to see the generally neat car selections of last year's TGR Cup be part of the Nations Cup, especially since the former has seemingly concluded. Like how there was that round of the TGR Cup that featured Gr.3 racers from Mazda, Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, and Honda.

 

[RACECAR]

I think the GT World Series is a waste of time and money now. I was surprised to see it continue after the FIA partnership ended and I believe it's only a matter of time before it's canned. Hardly anybody watches it and the people that compete in it are not enjoying it. No point pressing on with something that doesn't work.

Do you have the hard numbers to back this up?

 

[ScottPuss20]

What makes you think hardly anybody watches it?

Do you have the hard numbers to back this up?

Well I don't watch it and neither does anyone else I know, both online and in real life. Nobody cares.

 

[Hdbd04]

I do hope something replaces the TGR Cup. Then again, Toyota is the biggest automaker around, so I'm not sure if other automakers would be likely to have the same capital to have such a series. I suppose I can only dream of a more formal Porsche-themed championship, for one idea.

Funny you mentioned Porsche because there was a Porsche-themed event back in GT Sport:

But now, they seem to move to either iRacing or Raceroom. But I hope in Toyota’s case, the regional versions of the GT Cup could remain in one form or the other.

 

[RACECAR]

Well I don't watch it and neither does anyone else I know, both online and in real life.

So its not even fact you're just posting, just your opinion as IF it were a fact.

You know just YOU and the people you know don't represent everyone, right?

 

[Famine]

Hardly anybody watches it

Aside from a couple of pandemic peaks, I'd struggle to name a racing esports event with a higher concurrent viewer count than any GTWS event. And I (have to) watch a lot of them.

 

[Lomic]

So its not even fact you're just posting, just your opinion as IF it were a fact.

You know just YOU and the people you know don't represent everyone, right?

Youtube views are very low for such an event with promotion by the organizer. Regular updates videos get more views (and the numbers are not impressive either). So that's an indication that those events do not attract a big crowd.

 

[Korvregn]

I actually enjoy watching them, especially with the ”predict the winner” thing, makes me a bit more invested. And the events are generally well executed. This is the only e-sport I follow.

 

[RACECAR]

Youtube views are very low for such an event with promotion by the organizer. Regular updates videos get more views (and the numbers are not impressive either). So that's an indication that those events do not attract a big crowd.

And would that be the same for Twitch as well? (The other platform its streamed on)

Point I made was just because he and his folks didn't watch doesn't equal "Nobody cares". It smacks of being confidently (and perhaps intentionally) ignorant to respond to someone about hard numbers with "Well I don't watch it and neither does anyone I know" as if THAT's representative of the overall view count.

 

[eran0004]

Well I don't watch it and neither does anyone else I know, both online and in real life. Nobody cares.

Well, I watch it.

The livestream of the 2024 nations league final has more than 200,000 views.