Gran Turismo 7 Livery Editor - General Discussion Thread
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This is a tricky point.
I lean towards wanting to lock most of mine, but realistically, especially on race cars - I can see why people might want to change number boards or remove driver names or something.. and even on my better liveries, I'm not going to say things couldn't be improved, even if it's only tiny changes - so I tend to only lock specific ones.
I don't really care if people don't like that I lock some liveries though. I put the time in to make something, if you want to make it different, make your own!
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In case people want to use their own racing numbers, or add their own name or plate to it.
Or to even look how the livery is made, to look for better images of decals I used. If they can use it to improve their own liveries I see no use in locking liveries.
I don't see any pride in having to make other uses spend hours to recreate stuff which is already done. Sharing is caring.
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I guess this is where differing opinions creep in. Eg. I view an exact replica as an exact replica (yeah okay, arguably others can improve the livery you've made by tweaking/replacing some decals) and an exact replica is designed to convey the image that you're driving the original car in the game. You can always make a near replica which is open to customise (eg. leave off numbers/boards and driver names, plus any idiosyncrasies of the livery work you've done). But that's about the only time I would lock a livery. I don't lock very many - maybe 3 of the 56 liveries I've shared are locked.
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But when someone edits my livery it's still my livery right? They don't own it, they cant share it, they cant get credits for it.
Even if they improve my livery a bit more (I'm not perfect), I'm happy with that and don't feel like their taking my work.
Even if they improve my livery a bit more (I'm not perfect), I'm happy with that and don't feel like their taking my work.
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This was going to be my point.
I only started creating liveries after being able to look at and edit others. Seeing how they do things helped me understand the features of the livery editor….. until GT7 I would just put a sticker on the side. No actual designing.
All of mine are open. Why not. I use number 21 on my cars, unless they are a “replica” or a remake of a race car (I like to use the standard number option there), so it gives people the option to make it 74 if they want, or even change the whole colour design.
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krisduv
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I don't have a "rule" regarding locked liveries, it's more of a case by case, and to be honest, it can be just a mood of the moment thing.
I had people thanking me for letting liveries unlocked, and complaints for liveries locked.
Like most of us, I know I'm not perfect and my liveries can be improved, no doubt about it. And I'm glad if they are.
Yet, I've seen once of my liveries modified and really not in a better way.
You could say it doesn't matter. And it doesn't. But we already established I'm not perfect so it annoyed me
I had people thanking me for letting liveries unlocked, and complaints for liveries locked.
Like most of us, I know I'm not perfect and my liveries can be improved, no doubt about it. And I'm glad if they are.
Yet, I've seen once of my liveries modified and really not in a better way.
You could say it doesn't matter. And it doesn't. But we already established I'm not perfect so it annoyed me
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Well, I'm also pro unlocked liveries.
- it let's me add my personal sponsors to it
- it has helped me a lot to be able to check how others create everything
- I can change the colour of the patterns to mimic my own real life race car (grey, green, white and black) or just play around and have fun with real life liveries, for example the iconic Castrol livery of the JGTC supra, change the colours of the swirls just for ****s and giggles.
The last livery I created from scratch, I've spend some hours on it because the base colour is gold, so nearly everything you see is a layer, but I do not see why I should lock it. I'm not getting paid, even if the whole world downloads the livery to use I'm still not making money and I think that hardly anyone will remember the name of a creator after download so you're not preserving your name either.
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p78 says ''they are mine, and i've put in the work''
True, but once downloaded and modified, the other person can't even save and share it as their own, they can only use it for personal use, so I am one that really doesn't see the benefit in locking liveries.
In my case, if you've locked your incredible awesome livery...than I will have scrolled over it without looking at it because if I see the mention 'can't be edited' then it is of no interest to me.
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This is a good point I'd not really considered.
It's not about pride. It's about feeling people appreciate your work. I think many agree the 'likes' system feels hollow, and would like something more meaningful, to get some pride back for the effort they put in. But people expecting liveries to be editable can easily be seen as the opposite - as them saying "what you did wasn't good enough"... which is the opposite of what people sharing stuff want to hear (although I personally value actual feedback more then likes, good or bad).
Sharing is caring, but with the way the system works at the moment, you have to care enough to make the livery, for little or no reward, but not be expected to care about it 'out in the wild' - for good or bad.
I think it'd be great (for instance) if you got a notification when a livery of yours was on a car that got a podium in a sport mode race, or top 10'd a time trial. I'd like to know how often a decal I made is added to someones collection... simple "likes" are too shallow of a 'reward' IMHO, for people that care about how their stuff is used and perceived by the community.
Just my 2 cents.
Most of my liveries will be editable where they are replica's, Art Cars won't be though, and original designs may or may not be.
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In my case, as explained, I don't lock things unless they're a specific replica - because in my mind a replica is a replica - there's no need to modify and personalise it. The vast majority of my work is unlocked, because it's there for people to use and enjoy and get creative with. There's always the risk, like @krisduv pointed out, that it might get modified for the worst, but hey!
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I feel like unlocking road car liveries also has the benefit of that people can adjust decals if they're screwed up when they use a different body kit, spoiler or widebody their car.
Another positive thing of unlocked liveries is that you can fix them yourself in case some decals vanish from them.
I personally only locked my JTC E30 liveries, as I know they're 99.9% accurate replicas. Everything else might be something people could improve or edit to their liking, for example when they want to use it in a lobby championship but there are mandatory number boards or sponsors to be applied to the cars.
Another positive thing of unlocked liveries is that you can fix them yourself in case some decals vanish from them.
I personally only locked my JTC E30 liveries, as I know they're 99.9% accurate replicas. Everything else might be something people could improve or edit to their liking, for example when they want to use it in a lobby championship but there are mandatory number boards or sponsors to be applied to the cars.
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O I completely agree. Don't have much followers and don't get any likes, so that's something which is not worth all the hard work.
The auction house in Forza was a nice way to reward the painters, however, that also lead to less liveries available for everyone.
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I don't think I'd ever want to see it go down the route of charging for liveries being the only option.
In practice it's similar to licensing. The livery creator has created something of value, and then licenses it to other players. It's a mandatory free license, but it's also limited. In the real world, the more you want to do with someone else's IP, the more you will likely have to pay. There's not much either party can do about it at the moment, a little more flexibility in the livery sharing system could make things more interesting, but might also over complicate things - hence I'd rather advocate passive rewards for sharing.
Having said that, it's a bit crazy that the last livery I applied of someone else's cost me about 20k in parts and paints, and that goes to GT Auto, but nothing went to @Nuschel01 for making the livery!
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This is a good point. If we start charging for liveries, it's a slippery slope before these become NFT's and GT loses it's purpose in the world! Keep it free and straightforward. Locking selective liveries shouldn't be a deal-breaker, but understand others' viewpoints on this aspect.
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Had you bought all parts beforehand it would've been free tho
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I'd like to see a possibility of making in-game Cr. from user-created content, esp. liveries... user-created liveries represent a massive amount of content that in many cases take several hours to make. If PD can still charge a frankly ludicrous £16.99 for 2,000,000 Cr. (which can be earned in less than 90 minutes game play), it should be possible for users to 'monetize' their own content to some extent.
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Just wanted to chime in to provide some clarification on how Forza's livery sharing works:
The game does have a "sharefront" where all liveries/decals that are uploaded are completely free to download just like GTS/GT7. A nice bonus is that based on the number of downloads (and possibly uses, I've not really uploaded anything to be able to confirm off hand) the game will give you credits. The downside to Forza's system is that if you use someone else's decal on a livery you make, it becomes locked and you're unable to share it whatsoever. So, if you're someone like me that can't make a decal to save their life, that means you're either making a livery purely for yourself or you resort to the method @Gingerale mentioned: buying multiples of X car, putting said livery on it, and selling the cars via the in-game auction house. Creators also can't leave their designs editable like in GTS/GT7 so that others can tweak the design; you can only apply it as the original was uploaded.
For me it's a horse apiece between the two. Forza features some tools that I'd kill to have in GT (mask layers, one-button stamping, selecting multiple layers at once, XY coordinates, and layer grouping), but I also can't share my creations without doing a "drop" on the auction house like I'm peddling some hypebeast crap. On the other hand, GT has a less competent in-game content curation platform with little incentive for creators, (also paired with PD's lack of nurturing for that part of their playerbase) but at least I can get my work out there.
The game does have a "sharefront" where all liveries/decals that are uploaded are completely free to download just like GTS/GT7. A nice bonus is that based on the number of downloads (and possibly uses, I've not really uploaded anything to be able to confirm off hand) the game will give you credits. The downside to Forza's system is that if you use someone else's decal on a livery you make, it becomes locked and you're unable to share it whatsoever. So, if you're someone like me that can't make a decal to save their life, that means you're either making a livery purely for yourself or you resort to the method @Gingerale mentioned: buying multiples of X car, putting said livery on it, and selling the cars via the in-game auction house. Creators also can't leave their designs editable like in GTS/GT7 so that others can tweak the design; you can only apply it as the original was uploaded.
For me it's a horse apiece between the two. Forza features some tools that I'd kill to have in GT (mask layers, one-button stamping, selecting multiple layers at once, XY coordinates, and layer grouping), but I also can't share my creations without doing a "drop" on the auction house like I'm peddling some hypebeast crap. On the other hand, GT has a less competent in-game content curation platform with little incentive for creators, (also paired with PD's lack of nurturing for that part of their playerbase) but at least I can get my work out there.
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Agree on point one, but most popular would often not get you the best of a given livery. Pick any popular irl car and look for liveries, usually the top liked is not the best or most complete, it is by a user that has enough followers to promote the livery with likes and reposts. There are “liveries” of a black paint job with thousands of likes, it makes no sense.
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Haha, this is so true. I never understood how some users make 15 different versions of a car, all of them just a different paint colour, wheels and plate (sometimes not even changing plates or wheels) and each of them get 435+ likes, 29+ comments and 93+ reposts while us hard-working creatives spend 6 hours on a single livery that considers every last detail, has custom made decals and hours of research involved, and we're lucky to see more than 25 likes on it, maybe three comments and a handful of reposts... Gotta love these popularity based systems!
CodeRedR51
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I went through 15 pages of liveries for the E92 M3 last night because I couldn't find anything worth using. Quite frustrating.
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So I've been on a bit of a GT2 livery trip lately and after making a bunch of them (and downloading a few others) I think I have a GT2 for just about every car that was in the original game. It is fun creating a custom race and seeing them all on track.
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Took some liberties with this one.
It's the Hasemi Super Silhouette R30 Tomica Livery.
However, Liberty Walk made a tribute car, and i put that livery on the other side.
This is my second double sided livery, and i like that theme, so i'm gonna think about others that i can make.
It's the Hasemi Super Silhouette R30 Tomica Livery.
However, Liberty Walk made a tribute car, and i put that livery on the other side.
This is my second double sided livery, and i like that theme, so i'm gonna think about others that i can make.
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I've just bought the Gr.4 GT-R and imported my Tomica livery for that - shall be uploading it shortly! Never thought of the two-sided livery idea. That's mad but works so well on this one!Took some liberties with this one.
It's the Hasemi Super Silhouette R30 Tomica Livery.
However, Liberty Walk made a tribute car, and i put that livery on the other side.
This is my second double sided livery, and i like that theme, so i'm gonna think about others that i can make.
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