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Gran Turismo 7's Next Update is Coming This Week: Escudo Pikes Peak Returns
- Thread starter Famine
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- JoshsoJB
About the Gr.B Escudo thing, are you guys forgetting that power restricting is a thing? With up to 200kg ballast, 70% power restrictor and 70% ECU output on top of that available, the Escudo being balanced with the Gr.B BoP is entirely possible. And PD don't even have to adhere to these methods; they can just make the power and weight what they want. I don't really care where it's put but yeah just throwing that out there.
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bUt ThE pAyOuT iS sO lOw
Ya I don't think the n° of the cars that exist are the problem (single player only speaking here, online there are other no doubt). The fact that they add cars once a month I think is fine, is the lack of new content or insuficient from the start. The number of tournaments /championships are the real problem and events. They have so many different kind of cars even inside the same category that they could do so many different events with that. But we'll lets see what's coming.
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No, I guess I don't really care because it works for me. 476 cars and counting.
Yes, but can be really fun when it's actually working right.bUt ThE pAyOuT iS sO lOw
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- dacc10
I think it would always be a mess, because even if they had split Gr.1 into Gr.1 and Gr.C, there would still be cars that would perform much better or much worse than others, due to the years that they have apart.
But, I think that, if they can't split Gr.1, atleast create events that specify the type of car from Gr.1 that it uses. Something like:
-Championship for Gr.1 VGTs (there are 8 unique ones, more than enough)
-Championship for Gr.1 Group C cars (only 5 cars, the game could use some more)
-Championship for Gr.1 LMP1/LMH cars (another 8 cars, could use some more variety)
Apply the same for Gr.2, with the ability to use all the cars combined in certain events, but also split them in specific championships:
-Gr.2 GT500 Championship (that should be two iterations of this, one for the 2008 cars, and another for 2016)
-Gr.2 90s GT1 Championship (need more than just the CLK and the F1)
-Gr.2 DTM Championship (whenever we get any of those)
With a bit of imagination, the sky is the limit.
Grimm6Jack
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- Grimm66Jack
With BoP, it's a lot easier to level up the field of the Gr.C cars in the game. Same with the LMP/LMH class.
The difference between the two categories is that they are simply far too different in the way they work (engines and transmissions) and of course, the most obvious one, their aero philosophies.
I would get rid of the Gr.1 VGTs in the first place. We already have the original VGT cars, no need to make replicates of fictional cars just to be part of a category, that they absolutely have no business in being in.
Group C cars (the prototypes that raced between 1982~ up until 1992~) could very well be their own category. Other future cars here are the Peugeot 905, Toyota TS010 and the Minolta 88-CV.
LMP/LMH... basically, the LMP cars from 2009 to the LMH cars of today could easily be fit in a category... And PD pretty much has all of those cars here in the game already, only leaving the Toyota TS040 which was a premium in GT6, so it maybe can be added later. Plus it was the only car that won the WEC championship for Toyota when Audi and Porsche were there for the fight. The Alpine A480 Hypercar could also easily be added here as well as the future Peugeot 9X8.
And then the rest of the cars between the end of Gr.C to the late 2000s could be put into Gr.2 alongside the likes of the CLK-LM and F1 GTR long-tail. Cars like the Toyota GT-One, Porsche 911 GT1 (race car), Nissan R390 GT1 could easily fit here. As well as the likes of the BMW V12 LMR, Bentley Speed 8, Audi R8, Audi R10 TDi, Pescarollos, etc...
And yeah, Gr.2 is another thing to consider, late 90s GT1 cars together with todays GT500... lol ... But the number of cars is so small that it hardly matters. And it also appears that PD forgot they exist as we have basically 0 events in the game to use them specifically. So it's... for now, a non-issue. But when it comes down to it, like you said, it would be easy to just create a current era GT500 category and a GT1/LMP-900 category...
7-8 cars per category is plenty enough. The grid is up to 20, having some cars being 2 of each other or some 3 isn't an issue, it's what it's like IRL as well and I don't mind it at all. 4-5 cars however is indeed a small amount for a category.
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Jewel Runner
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Really great idea actually but... Not sure exactly how it works but I think the fact that these exotic cars are sold by a high profile auctioneer adds massive value to it? So if we were to sell it back to them or some private buyer surely we wouldn't get back what we bought it for? I imagine most of these exotic cars would keep at lest 70% of their value when reselling after buying from reputable sellers though.
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Friendly reminder of what PD have in GR.1:
Regardless of BOP (IF they do any in GT7 for this class), I bet the same meta still exists whenever they decide to have Circuit De La Sarthe with this class even though I don't have the game. If there is one thing PD does without fail, its inconsistency consistently (The new standard of insanity) so I feel pretty confident they'll completely disregard those numbers you guys show me when they slide the Escudo into GR.B. And if its true that the 208 T16 Pikes Pike is coming, that's where its going as well.
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Grimm6Jack
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In Online Sport Mode, the cars are BoP'd because otherwise:
McLaren F1 GTR would destroy Gr.3 (Nobody would use anything else)
Mercedes CLK-LM would destroy Gr.2
Gr.1 VGTs or 2016 LMP1s would destroy Gr.1
However, in the "offline" single player mode, most of the races (if any aside from Missions) are not BoP, which is why you always see the Gr.3 Viper way ahead all the time due to it's almost 700hp compared to most Gr.3 550-600 and while not being much heavier.
So yeah, if the same type of race is to be implemented with the Escudo as a Gr.B Car, it will absolutely destroy the competition even if the other Gr.B cars are tuned with turbos... It would be by far the largest difference between cars of the same category in the game. It would be a really gigantic difference. Almost as if... they don't belong in the same category.
EDIT: And also, in the Gr.B without BoP, the Audi Quattro Pikes Peak also pretty much demolishes the competition, but it's not anywhere even remotely close to what the Escudo will do...
Gr.4 is the only category where I'm not sure there's a meta car WITHOUT BoP. I don't play that category much so I don't know.
McLaren F1 GTR would destroy Gr.3 (Nobody would use anything else)
Mercedes CLK-LM would destroy Gr.2
Gr.1 VGTs or 2016 LMP1s would destroy Gr.1
However, in the "offline" single player mode, most of the races (if any aside from Missions) are not BoP, which is why you always see the Gr.3 Viper way ahead all the time due to it's almost 700hp compared to most Gr.3 550-600 and while not being much heavier.
So yeah, if the same type of race is to be implemented with the Escudo as a Gr.B Car, it will absolutely destroy the competition even if the other Gr.B cars are tuned with turbos... It would be by far the largest difference between cars of the same category in the game. It would be a really gigantic difference. Almost as if... they don't belong in the same category.
EDIT: And also, in the Gr.B without BoP, the Audi Quattro Pikes Peak also pretty much demolishes the competition, but it's not anywhere even remotely close to what the Escudo will do...
Gr.4 is the only category where I'm not sure there's a meta car WITHOUT BoP. I don't play that category much so I don't know.
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That's got me thinking - before the days of updates and DLC, PD put a lot more effort into game development because once the game was released, there was no turning back. I feel like PD have become lazier since then, releasing games that are purposely set up with updates in mind. In my opinion, updates and DLC should be added bonuses ON TOP of a "completed game"
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PD comes a long and absolutely ****s everything up about content being DRIP FED from previous numbered games, and this is bull**** and people think this is ok. Well it is not ok and the dimwits fall for this kind of ****.
At least the bright people known what the hell is going on with GT7, but the not so bright ones who thinks it is ok to wait for content from previous numbered games to appear. Are the ones who have no idea and are dimwits on how a game should be designed.
Famine you talk a whole lot of bull****.
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GT2 should have been called Gran 2rismo
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I doubt the escudo will be in gr,b i hope its not in any catogory, just a pp rating, i think all those gr classes is not so great it just limited on where you can use them and they can’t race each other as they use to, and upgrade will all be same witch i find boring, it was not like that gt5-gt6,
The only fake car is the Suzuki vgt gr,3 in this update
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Thing is, Super GT500 only have three cars. The liveries are what makes it feel full. PD made those faux liveries for the SF19 cars and so many other cars in GT Sport. It’s a shame, we used to get all the team liveries for Super GT. For some reason, that’s all stopped. They’re leaving it for the GT Community to fill that void.
It’s never going to happen, but I’d prefer each era stick to its own. Modern Gr.3/GT3 cars fit perfectly with the ’16 GT500 cars, in a multi class scenario. The JGTC Supra and Skyline should be in their own category.
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Here’s an idea, go to Tokyo, wander over to Sony HQ and tell them you’ve got all the solutions. See what they say.
In short of that, start up a game company and make a better game, get that on a roster with Sony or MS or whoever and see how you go?
Otherwise, shush. We’re here trying to find out when the update is coming.
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I mean lets be honest: Apart from the wheels and livery, what really is the difference between these two 2016 GT-R GT500s?
Likewise, these two RC-Fs:
Frankly, what would having separately modelled cars with different liveries and wheels accomplish when nowadays that is all that differentiates them? If you mean having selectable team liveries on one modelled car then sure that'd fine and hell I'd welcome it but even as someone who enjoyed being able to race a separate Calsonic GT-R versus a Yellowhat YMS GT-R in the days of GT5, even I can't help but feel like it serves no purpose in an era where a livery editor exists (Same goes for the 2008 cars).
Careful, he'll come after you for being in cahoots with their masterplan to brainwash the masses and attain total world domination.
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- SpacedustDaddy
That’s what I’m saying. Just put the different team liveries on the cars. I didn’t say separate cars. I don’t feel like spending 800k for A blue or orange light.
For one, it helps out with Custom Races and any Super GT events. It fills the grid like the SF19 did in GT Sport.
I already mentioned PD save time by having the GT Community make the liveries. Yet, PD still can’t seem to fill that freed up time for anything else.
Secondly, there are players that don’t have the skills or time to make 10-20 replica liveries of the real Super GT teams. If PD pre made them, that solves one problem for those players. But I’ll repeat myself many times on the subject, they’ve seem to have left the liveries and even Building racing modified type cars, to the GT Community.
Edit: I don’t know if I’m making myself clear enough.
Here’s a Super GT race
The core cars in the GT500 field, are only the NSX, Z and Supra. Three cars. That’s all that’s needed. We just need the liveries that make up the rest of the GT500 field.
In the GT300 class, we pretty much have all the cars we need. We got an up to date BRZ. Cool. We have a Porsche, AMG, BMW, Aston Martin, Toyota, Nissan for the GT-3 class. That’s sorted. We don’t need to place the older 2008 GT500 and 1999 JGTC cars to make up numbers in those respective classes.
The BOP solves everything just messed it all up.
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You could say that but I think it has even more to do with maximizing profits. Using the playerbase as beta testers is cheaper than having paid employees do the testing and/or hire some esports drivers to test more etc. This is also why there is so much push to the microtransactions these days. And these days with games being so much online, you can fix the games afterwards. Sad but true. And then also slap some good marketing and hyping before the release date, and the games sales go through the roof.
In PS2 days though, the game had to be good from the start to be succesful.
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