Gran Turismo HD officially canned - Next stop is GT5

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I would like to take this opportunity to polish my nails on my chest. *polishes nails*

There weren't many of us, maybe five or ten out of the entire community, but we were fairly vocal about it. We said last year when someone posted a poll asking whether we would be happy with a GT4 Special Edition for PS3 that yes, we would love that. I can't remember what the percentage was, if it was a majority or what, but it was a pretty good ratio.

I tried to be a sort of evangelist for it. I explained in numerous posts that GT4 was possibly the basis of GT5 to start with, that Kazunori-sama had hinted that GT4 was whittled down from what they were planning. I said that a GT4 with high definition cars and tracks, more cars on track, possible weather and time changes, perhaps better A.I. and undoubtedly online play, race modification and a paint shop would be worth the price of admission and then some. And then add in the possibility that PD might invite The Big Three to the party and I was excited just over the dream.

And of course I was poo-pooed and dissed by many. Not for bad reasons, certainly, but I was thinking of how things could go. I knew that there was the chance that if Polyphony had been working on GT5 for a year or more before GT4 was even out that the game could possibly be well on its way to completion. But that depended a lot on what Kaz and the lads wanted to do with GT5. If it was just an evolutionary step forward, GT5 could even be a near-launch title. But with something as powerful as a PS3 to host it, why settle for a timid step forward? I made a rather bold wishlist, including a Career Mode that was as big as real life, a game that essentially never ended and grew with you with downloadable content, so that each year, each season, you had a new set of challenges to face, and new cars to try out. This may take more than a few years to accomplish, I knew, so I was even more adamant that if this was the case, that I wanted to see a GT4 Premium Edition at or near launch. I knew it might easily be a pipe dream. If GT5 was being polished up even as I typed, of course I'd be happy, but I just had a feeling...

And shazam, if Kaz didn't echo my thoughts in his Famitsu interview. Double shazam, GTHD is going to be a game. And it looks like a darn good one. We still don't know what the deal is, and may not for a while yet, but I feel quietly vindicated. ;)
 
WTF? They're seriously making us buy cars? Like, buy cars with real money itunes style?

If there's not some way to earn the cars without paying, I'm not going to support GT anymore.
 
My understanding was that GTHD Premium would give us gameplay in "Full High Definition". Nothing about better graphichs just smoother gameplay utilizing what is becoming the Standard in the television industry and that GTHD Classic would offer online facilities etc. So still not much more than we already have and many people have been playing online via Xlink for many months anyway.

Spec....
If you look at some of the links theres one with pictures of the car models from the GT Premium mode, they are not the same models as GT4's, they are much higher detail, higher poly count ect. Though the tracks themselve don't look all that much better than the GT Classic shots, the cars are notably so. Also the GT Premium is supposed to be more realistic than the GT classic. Rest assured that GT5 will outshine GT Premium, but I think GT Premium is a step up from merely being GT4 in HD.
 
Paying for cars would suck big time. I'll only pay if they include lots of cars from the start and only sell the cars in bundles of 10 or so at a low price. And none of that limited edition crap, I want to drive every car they release.
 
I would think that they'll give us options to bulk buy, I can't think they would ever be able to justify someone spending over £400 just to own all 770 cars when you could own over 700 of them for £40 when GT4 was released. As has been said before theres not much solid info available at the moment and all everyone seems to be doing regarding the purchasing cars is going round in circles. Let's wait and see what's officially announced, if it is screwy then it's screwy and that's that, but for now we don't know if it is or not.
 
WTF? They're seriously making us buy cars? Like, buy cars with real money itunes style?

If there's not some way to earn the cars without paying, I'm not going to support GT anymore.


they said that GT HD will cost less than the usual. lets say 20 bucks. then you have 40 left to get to that 60 dollar price for next gen games. looks like you won´t be able to buy many things with this budget. i´m with you, i´m still skeptical about all this... it might have gone too far... i´m not really concerned about this version, i´m concerned on how this model will evolve to GT5...
 
they said that GT HD will cost less than the usual. lets say 20 bucks. then you have 40 left to get to that 60 dollar price for next gen games. looks like you won´t be able to buy many things with this budget. i´m with you, i´m still skeptical about all this... it might have gone too far... i´m not really concerned about this version, i´m concerned on how this model will evolve to GT5...

Exactly. Give an inch and they take a mile. I don't want this snowballing out of control. However, 20 bucks to start seems reasonable. I don't know why'd they do this, though. They might sell more copies to the casual gamer, but they'd be short 40 bucks on each sale. I'd rather just pay a one-time price and skip all the B.S.

I do, however, LOVE what I see.
 
VV it’s sad that the trailer has used real vehicles—the in–game textures could certainly do with some improvement, but between now and “2008” PD will have plenty of time to refine and become fully familiar developing in the PS3 environment.

If you read this article, it states that the standard GT Premium package comes with 30 cars and 2 tracks, on top of this you can download 30 more vehicles and a London course, all for the low, low price of…

Has anyone noticed that the Eiger Nordwand course has only one car on it at one time, maybe the AI still blows.
 
Gosh! I go away for one day, feeling pretty pissed off with this GTHD title when I first heard about it, I come back and its like a bomb has dropped.....

Firstly! OOOOOOMMMMMMGGGGG :crazy: :crazy: Ferrari is in! Its like the best news since sliced bread!.....Im hopeing ALL Ferraris will be in GT5 like even the classic ones now that they have the licence, now im hoping for maybe lambo.....but im happy.....

Now im starting to get the picture of this game.....

The GTPremium bit is GT5 Prologue giving a taster of what GT5 will be like (but obviously from the screens shown it should look waaaay better when it finally comes out, right now they still look abit angular and plasticy and the interiors are now where near the quality of something like TDU, does anyone agree with me on this BTW?)......all in all quite good to see.

The GTClassic bit is all of what should have been in GT4 but in HD with downloads..... if its gonna cost the way they say then I will not be using this mode! I dont have broadband at home at the moment so it would be useless anyway... OK its online but you have to rebuy GT4 piece by piece to make it work!

So basically..... if this 'demo' is reasonably priced like prologue was then it would be worth getting just for the GT5 Prologue bit..... that way you get afew cars and tracks and dont have to spend a penny more...

If this never comes out outside Japan surely now that the PS3 is region free you will be able to import it right?

So it maybe not as bad as I originally thought..... but I still would rather have PD spending their time sorting GT5 rather than releasing this..... but oh well...

GT5 should have everything complete, with lots of stuff to start with (cars, tracks) and damage will be there...... I dont mind waiting till around 2008.....

Oh and thanks for all the news links and updates guys, ill have to wait till I get back to my fast conection to see all the vids though :indiff:

Robin 👍
 
Has anyone noticed that the Eiger Nordwand course has only one car on it at one time, maybe the AI still blows.

I hope not, with all the new features included, but with bad AI? That would suck like hell.

Guys, dont loose your mind just because there is a new brand included.
 
A Machiavellian thought just crossed my mind: How possible is it that the lack of online gameplay in GT4 isn't in fact because of the claimed nuts-and-bolts issues with getting it to work, but actually because the pay-to-download online purchase progam wasn't up and running for the GT4 release? Maybe the whole pay-to-download scheme was just a twinkle in their eye at that point.

If GT4 had in fact shipped with free online gameplay, imagine the howls of protest from the gaming community if GT5 were to suddenly require users to purchase a service that was previously free. If the powers-that-be did in fact look at it that way, the ridicule received by claiming to not be able to fix the issues with online gameplay in GT4 would pale in comparison to the uproar caused by changing it to a paid structure in later versions of the game. A future big-money payoff would sure make that pill a lot easier to take.

So many aspects of the world economy are shifting towards a "subscription" mentality, and it looks like GT is jumping on that bandwagon with a big smile and a fatter wallet.

I'm quite possibly talking out of my ass, but it's food for thought.
 
Word. I used babelfish to translate the article, and, unless I'm wrong, it seems like they also say something about create-a-tracks. is there any confirmation on this?

85 cents per car totally blows. I don't want to spend 600 bucks for a full garage.


Is there a comprehensive post with the differences between premium and classic? because i dont' get it.

First post of the thread.
 
It is somehow now obvious that both modes will be included on the same disk.

+ They'll release 2 versions for the new Gran Turismo (they use the same "Gran Turismo HD" name of the E3 demo for the product names) for the PS3 soon. Both support online multiplayer.



which is right? is it one sku or two?
 
Impress Game Watch reports price points at 50–100円 per car and 200–500円 per course for both GT HD and Premium, boxart and various TGS booth pictures too. These Famitsu articles outline much of what has already been discussed, and also hints that now not only has Ferrari been modelled in game, but that we can expect further collaborations—BMW Series 1 Virtual Drive anyone?—Lets hope we can still hack the time limits… :mischievous:

And some more images from the Sony keynote presentation.
 
Please correct me if i understood all info wrong but i consider that:

GT HD Premium = PS3 graphic, about 30cars, 2 tracks and no online racing ???
GT HD Classic = GT4 HI res graphic, all cars but few bucks for every car ? online racing etc (basicly - no single player, playing only if one has broadband?)

Edit:
One more question - will GT HD Premium and Cllassic be selled in 2 boxes or in one ? Will one have to pay for them as for 2 different games or as for one game ?
 
I have had a great day at college.

I have had a great evening out.

And now I find Ferrari are in GT:HD

Tonight, I will sleep happy.
 
I was looking at the HD screens of GT HD, and it indeed looks good. However, all I'm really seeing is HD cars, but the tracks still look VERY GT 4ish, and I'm talking about the Eiger Swiss track! The roads, grass, trees, and lighting look like GT4, even though it is a new track. Where the hell are the 3d trees blowing in the wind? What about the blades of grass that I can destroy with my tires on the side of the road? I know they can do this, and the PS3 is capable. They are either lazy, completely missing this concept, or just haven't shown us the TRUE GT 5ish like graphics.

I'm hoping that they'll actually go BALLS TO THE WALL for GT5, rather than this "project' of theirs called GT HD. :indiff:


P.S. Ferrari in GT. Hell has frozen over, and I just creamed in my pants. F430 Spyder at the Nurburgring anyone?
 
Has anyone noticed that the Eiger Nordwand course has only one car on it at one time, maybe the AI still blows.

Actually, in my honest opinion, that trailer looked more like the game was still in big-development. I may be the only one, but beginning of the car from a bird's eye view made the car look as if it were floating. It's also obvious the grass and road textures are in development.

However, news of Ferrari is fantastic, even more fantastic learning it's a 599 GTB.

BTW, Amar, is it true GT Premium will feature in-car, but GT5 may not?
 
Ferrari, in-car views, weather...GTHD Premium is gonna rock! :D :bowdown: :cheers: And the same should go for GTHD Classic, what with 20 car online races and all... :eek:

Ruf can go damn, how about the Porsche GT1 and the Porsche 935 ''Moby Dick'' and the Porsche 936 and the......Iam talking about Porsche LeMans racecars. I dont care about the 911.

I hope they have Porsche too. Nothing against Ruf, mind you, but like you said, I want Porsche's armada of legendary racers (550 Spyder, 904, 908, 917 series, 934/935 series, 936, 956/962 series, 911 GT1, 911 GT2, 911 GT3, RS Spyder...).
Speaking of legendary racers, I would think PD would want to include some Ferraris like the 166 Barchetta, 250 Testarossa, 250 GTO, 250 LM, 330 P3, 512 S, 312 P, 512 BB, 333 SP, 575 GTC and F430 GTC! And that's not including any of their open wheel cars...
 
Please correct me if i understood all info wrong but i consider that:

GT HD Premium = PS3 graphic, about 30cars, 2 tracks and no online racing ???
GT HD Classic = GT4 HI res graphic, all cars but few bucks for every car ? online racing etc (basicly - no single player, playing only if one has broadband?)

Edit:
One more question - will GT HD Premium and Cllassic be selled in 2 boxes or in one ? Will one have to pay for them as for 2 different games or as for one game ?

From what I get, this is how it'll work out.

GT HD Classic is PD's last attempt to squeeze some money out of the GT4 engine by making you pay for content.
Supposedly, it comes out in Dec. 2006.

GT HD Premium is what GT5 is based upon, meaning that with Premium having 30 cars and 2 tracks, and being a Prologue basically, GT5 should have just about everything Premium has. I've read this could come up 2nd QTR 2007.
 
There is something to consider. Polyphony is talking about delaying GT HD in the west till 2007. Would that mean that Japan pays as they go and we in the west get the full game on Blu-ray? Or most of it, with some additional content to download? I know they're talking about over 700 cars and at least one more track in GTHD Classic, so hopefully we'll be getting some sort of word about plans for the rest of the planet soon.

In the meantime, I'm dreaming of painting me up a Ferrari race car. :dopey:
 
I was looking at the HD screens of GT HD, and it indeed looks good. However, all I'm really seeing is HD cars, but the tracks still look VERY GT 4ish, and I'm talking about the Eiger Swiss track! The roads, grass, trees, and lighting look like GT4, even though it is a new track. Where the hell are the 3d trees blowing in the wind? What about the blades of grass that I can destroy with my tires on the side of the road? I know they can do this, and the PS3 is capable. They are either lazy, completely missing this concept, or just haven't shown us the TRUE GT 5ish like graphics.

I'm hoping that they'll actually go BALLS TO THE WALL for GT5, rather than this "project' of theirs called GT HD. :indiff:


P.S. Ferrari in GT. Hell has frozen over, and I just creamed in my pants. F430 Spyder at the Nurburgring anyone?

Uhh, I'd rather they focus on getting tire models right, and suspension models working wonderfully, before they do stupid things like blades of grass that add absolutely no bonus to the core gameplay element....DRIVING.
 
Speaking of Ferrari....how bout one of the new Ferrari F1's...maybe Schumacher's.....

Now, if only lambo will be implemented....i'll be a very very happy camper.
 
Uhh, I'd rather they focus on getting tire models right, and suspension models working wonderfully, before they do stupid things like blades of grass that add absolutely no bonus to the core gameplay element....DRIVING.

I'm more worried about the AI :guilty: ......if there is going to be damage, there going to have to fix that....i hope that's the plan.
 
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