Gran Turismo Sport Cross Over To A Real Simulator To Satisfy The Wheel Market

[Groundfish]

Uhm no. Other titles offer laser scanned real circuits. Better representation of real cars. Time of day and weather. Better more realistic tuning. Is GTS a great looking game,yes. If they could combine AC physics,Project Cars tracks and cars and GTS polish and visuals that would be perfect. Now if you go on PC GTS get absolutely destroyed and isn't even in the conversation.

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GTS uses laser scanned tracks and cars too. What do you think the intro shows happening with the trophy?
I think PC is an unfair comparison considering it 100 percent is up to how much you spend on your pc.
Are we talking ACC 4K triple 65’s like that one streamer or are we talking budget pc with small monitor and crummy graphics compared to GTS?
Which one has more immersion?
Sure I’d love to try AC and ACC and Rfactor2, but I’m not going to be able to afford the necessary hardware to do it at a price I consider worth it with the quality of racing available on GTS.
Yes, GTS can be chaotic many times at lower mid tiers, even mid high, but past a point to where people care enough about their dr there’s some incredible racing to be had that’s clean.
GTS gets the most important thing right and it’s PVP.
The ups and downs of competition vs real people is something special.

 

[Scaff]

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GTS uses laser scanned tracks and cars too. What do you think the intro shows happening with the trophy?
I think PC is an unfair comparison considering it 100 percent is up to how much you spend on your pc.
Are we talking ACC 4K triple 65’s like that one streamer or are we talking budget pc with small monitor and crummy graphics compared to GTS?
Which one has more immersion?
Sure I’d love to try AC and ACC and Rfactor2, but I’m not going to be able to afford the necessary hardware to do it at a price I consider worth it with the quality of racing available on GTS. I mean how much is a PC that can run everything on epic settings? Not what I would call cheap, or affordable.
Yes, GTS can be chaotic many times at lower mid tiers, even mid high, but past a point to where people care enough about their dr there’s some incredible racing to be had that’s clean.
GTS gets the most important thing right and it’s PVP.

A £500 PC would run RF2 on a 1080p tv and provide a physics model that GTS will never get close to matching.

It’s not an absolute that it costs the earth or massive monitors are a must, nor is GTS close to the best looking PC titles on Ultra either (and what that looks like and requires will vary from title to title), so that’s simply not a requirement either.

 

[Groundfish]

A £500 PC would run RF2 on a 1080p tv and provide a physics model that GTS will never get close to matching.

It’s not an absolute that it costs the earth or massive monitors are a must, nor is GTS close to the best looking PC titles on Ultra either (and what that looks like and requires will vary from title to title), so that’s simply not a requirement either.

Who is there to race on RF2 though? Would the same pc run ACC on epic?
To me if pc is far superior capability wise I could never buy a budget one when I’ve already got the console, the physics would be great, I trust everyone on that.
To me as far as the future it’s either or. All I do is driving games, but it’s not going to be both. Right now I’m sticking with ps4 pro and GTS as long as possible.
When the next GT comes out if it looks like more of the older style with large career I will definitely consider the best pc my budget will allow.
I kinda looked into pc prices recently here and it looked like to run the games like ACC on high settings was putting prices around 1500 min. I haven’t looked at turning settings down. For me I can’t look at bad graphics though as we sit here in this day and age.
To topic I like that GTS has lots of fast people to race. Imo once you race live there can be no going back to ai.

 

[Scaff]

Who is there to race on RF2 though?

Plenty of people, including quite a few professional drivers.

Would the same pc run ACC on epic?

Nope, but ACC isn’t brilliantly optimised. My circa £1k system will run ACC on high settings that look better than GTS, with a better physics engine, full dynamic weather and time of day.

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To me if pc is far superior capability wise I could never buy a budget one when I’ve already got the console, the physics would be great, I trust everyone on that.
To me as far as the future it’s either or. All I do is driving games, but it’s not going to be both. Right now I’m sticking with ps4 pro and GTS as long as possible.
When the next GT comes out if it looks like more of the older style with large career I will definitely consider the best pc my budget will allow.

That’s what I did, go for the best my budget would allow, and it far exceeded what I expected.

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I kinda looked into pc prices recently here and it looked like to run the games like ACC on high settings was putting prices around 1500 min. I haven’t looked at turning settings down. For me I can’t look at bad graphics though as we sit here in this day and age.

Even on lower settings a lot of PC titles look more than good enough, take AMS2, even on its lowest settings it still looks great.

To topic I like that GTS has lots of fast people to race. Imo once you race live there can be no going back to ai.

I would counter that still depends on the people and the AI, and certainly it depends on what your AI benchmark is.

Now don’t get me wrong, it terms of ease of use, console wins hands down, but for me the flexibility of PC more than makes up for that. However it’s certainly not for everyone.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Geeezo....it was meant to be a throwaway poke fun comment. Everyone is so tight around here lol!

buuuut...what I will say of the young generations (myself included, I’m 37). Is an lack of focus, general inability of setting realistic goals, and managing priorities to obtain said goals. We’ve created such an “instant gratification” society over the last 20 years where a very, vet large percentage of the population feels like the world owes them something and doesn’t want to put in the hard work to accomplish a goal unless it’s convenient for them.

I was fortunate to have very good mentors when I was in my late teens-early 20’s....and I was smart enough to listen. I also had the benefit of growing up poor...so nothing was ever given to me.

when I was young, I made goals for myself that were obtainable and in the near future. And by that I mean, my goals were on a tight enough timeline where I couldn’t procrastinate. I worked hard, balanced my priorities, thought big picture as much as I could. The biggest ones were I lived within my means and saved money. Basically all the things your parents told you to do.


Things were close to as expensive as they are now (from a relative point of view), but completely doable if you set yourself up for success. The formula to being successful hasn’t changed....if anything, there’s more ways to get there nowadays

 

[Pigems]

A £500 PC would run RF2 on a 1080p tv and provide a physics model that GTS will never get close to matching.

It’s not an absolute that it costs the earth or massive monitors are a must, nor is GTS close to the best looking PC titles on Ultra either (and what that looks like and requires will vary from title to title), so that’s simply not a requirement either.

It would take a $2500+(Canadian) PC to run iRacing/ACC at full bore would it not?

 

[Groundfish]

@Scaff
Thank you.

 

[Scaff]

It would take a $2500+(Canadian) PC to run iRacing/ACC at full bore would it not?

That work's out to be around £1,400, so depending on what resolution you wanted, that would be ballpark.

 

[Pigems]

That work's out to be around £1,400, so depending on what resolution you wanted, that would be ballpark.

Thanks for the info. If I go PC, I’d want to go full bore so I could enjoy all the features. Sadly it’ll be a while still before I can get a PC that’s good enough to run them.

 

[O604]

Thanks for the info. If I go PC, I’d want to go full bore so I could enjoy all the features. Sadly it’ll be a while still before I can get a PC that’s good enough to run them.

A big reason for confusion is stuff like this on iRacing's webpage. It's very misleading, weird boasts. Really makes me wonder how knowledgeable they are.

"More affordable — Even if you decide to invest in a high-performance steering wheel and pedal set and other sim racing accessories, you’ll save money over time by keeping your system web-based. Forget swapping out your system and games for costly new hardware every year and use your up-to-date Windows machine to keep burning rubber."

^ Uh. OK.

"Better technologies — Because online sim racing games like iRacing are the leaders in the industry, they tend to be more high-tech. Using a platform like iRacing gives you access to methodically modeled cars and tracks that are designed from the ground-up for realism — right down to the cracks and pockmarks found on the surface of the world’s most famous racetracks."

^ That depends on Microsoft Windows + a browser.

https://www.iracing.com/iracing-vs-console-racing/

 

[FPV MIC]

Thanks for the info. If I go PC, I’d want to go full bore so I could enjoy all the features. Sadly it’ll be a while still before I can get a PC that’s good enough to run them.

That's the big thing for me too! I'd also like some degree of future proofing but down here in Oz it's 5k to 6.5k for a top spec PC or $750 for a disc edition PS5. That 5k will be better spent on a concrete floor for my soon to be built new garage and I'll stick with the PS5. The trouble for me is this sort of choice just keeps happening with every new console release and the high end PC loses every time.

 

[Scaff]

A big reason for confusion is stuff like this on iRacing's webpage. It's very misleading, weird boasts. Really makes me wonder how knowledgeable they are.

"More affordable — Even if you decide to invest in a high-performance steering wheel and pedal set and other sim racing accessories, you’ll save money over time by keeping your system web-based. Forget swapping out your system and games for costly new hardware every year and use your up-to-date Windows machine to keep burning rubber."

^ Uh. OK.

"Better technologies — Because online sim racing games like iRacing are the leaders in the industry, they tend to be more high-tech. Using a platform like iRacing gives you access to methodically modeled cars and tracks that are designed from the ground-up for realism — right down to the cracks and pockmarks found on the surface of the world’s most famous racetracks."

^ That depends on Microsoft Windows + a browser.

https://www.iracing.com/iracing-vs-console-racing/

Anytime iRacing tries to describe itself as affordable I have to go for a walk just shaking my head!

Buying a gaming PC is more affordable than iRacing.

 

[Pigems]

Anytime iRacing tries to describe itself as affordable I have to go for a walk just shaking my head!

Buying a gaming PC is more affordable than iRacing.

Maybe they mean vs buying a real race car?

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Maybe they mean vs buying a real race car?

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Paying for a subscription service that doesn't include any of the content sounds like a bit of a con to me

 

[Pigems]

Paying for a subscription service that doesn't include any of the content sounds like a bit of a con to me

I think you do get some stuff with it.

 

[Scaff]

I think you do get some stuff with it.

Not much, but don't forget it does also come with an iffy tyre model as well.

 

[Redneckchef]

Now, I've been reading all this mess for a while and I still dont understand the idea. This person has chosen GT Sport as it has more frequent races, shorter races and more people to race against. Then they are looking to play gatekeeper and say that they dont want to compete with any of us DS4 drivers. Therefore destroying a lot of what you like about the game.

If it weren't for allowing controller drivers to compete on a similar level then you wouldnt have the same number of daily races and the fields would be empty. Either that or they become like our original poster hasn't seen in the lower SR depths. Fields from A to E DR where after turn 1 you are pretty much hot lapping.

I dont have the space or the money to invest in a setup to go racing with a wheel, but apparently I'm not a sim racer of some sort because I make sound financial decisions? I and most drivers in this game take our racing seriously no matter the input level.

If you think not driving on a wheel makes me less serious or less worthy to race on the track with you then I dont have the slightest idea why you want to race on GT Sport. Their ability to even the playing field between the 2 modes of input is what makes this game so accessible and allows for the fields full of drivers and frequent races. You want a wheel based game? Go to another sim where it is all long races and go for it. To see what the fields will look like in the "wheel only access" world of GT Sport I give you what a lobby looks like early in the day.

We saw each other until roughly the end of lap 1.

It must be lonely in that elitist world. I want to race more drivers. Not tell others to go away unless they spend as much money as me.

Edit: I know you love the phone photo Famine but I couldn't find the 3 car lobby photo I had on my PS4

 

[fastone371]

Bloody Petter Solberg, clearly a gamer, he best give that WRC World Championship back until he starts driving the way @Junkman55 says a real simulation driver has to.

I just can't get over how odd the car looks,on screen with chase cam. When watching a replay it looks like the rear bumper of the car is staked thru to the ground and the rest of the pivots on the point. I have used cockpit view and was surprised that I was as fast as I was with bumper and roof cam straight away. I think I could be faster with cockpit view but I'm not sure what the racing would be like with other cars around.

 

[Junkman55]

Now, I've been reading all this mess for a while and I still dont understand the idea. This person has chosen GT Sport as it has more frequent races, shorter races and more people to race against. Then they are looking to play gatekeeper and say that they dont want to compete with any of us DS4 drivers. Therefore destroying a lot of what you like about the game.

If it weren't for allowing controller drivers to compete on a similar level then you wouldnt have the same number of daily races and the fields would be empty. Either that or they become like our original poster hasn't seen in the lower SR depths. Fields from A to E DR where after turn 1 you are pretty much hot lapping.

I dont have the space or the money to invest in a setup to go racing with a wheel, but apparently I'm not a sim racer of some sort because I make sound financial decisions? I and most drivers in this game take our racing seriously no matter the input level.

If you think not driving on a wheel makes me less serious or less worthy to race on the track with you then I dont have the slightest idea why you want to race on GT Sport. Their ability to even the playing field between the 2 modes of input is what makes this game so accessible and allows for the fields full of drivers and frequent races. You want a wheel based game? Go to another sim where it is all long races and go for it. To see what the fields will look like in the "wheel only access" world of GT Sport I give you what a lobby looks like early in the day.View attachment 998035
We saw each other until roughly the end of lap 1.

It must be lonely in that elitist world. I want to race more drivers. Not tell others to go away unless they spend as much money as me.

Edit: I know you love the phone photo Famine but I couldn't find the 3 car lobby photo I had on my PS4

i did not ask to change GTS into anything , All I want is one race added to the three daily’s it could be a duplicate of the a A race with the wheel as a choice of controller. We don’t know if it will change the amount of drivers for 12 or more for line up for all the races in the daily’s. If any thing it might draw more drivers for the opportunity to participate in GTS daily races. Simulator racing is growing 7 years ago the T500 was the wheel of choice look how many good wheel set ups to choose from now.

Look how we are agonizing over one race that is not available or even being considered by PD. The one thing that is known there are two different controller being used for two different driving abilities driving in one race. You had pointed out of lack of participation in a race maybe it’s time to try and fix that with new additional race for the simulator driver. Racing is not a game in the real world it is a sport, racing online is more than a game it’s what we want it to be.

 

[Groundfish]

You had pointed out of lack of participation in a race maybe it’s time to try and fix that with new additional race for the simulator driver.

You can’t tell in game what anyone’s using! If you think you would have an advantage in GTS by facing only players using wheel it’s gonna be a rude awakening!

In reality though, your race would be the same as your opinion here, you’d be...

 

[Darla Starch]

For reference, what's the most po-faced SUPERSERIOUS sim available on PC and do they allow controller use for non-quoteunquote "simulator drivers"?

 

[Scaff]

For reference, what's the most po-faced SUPERSERIOUS sim available on PC and do they allow controller use for non-quoteunquote "simulator drivers"?

Almost certainly iRacing, and yes they do.

 

[O604]

For reference, what's the most po-faced SUPERSERIOUS sim available on PC and do they allow controller use for non-quoteunquote "simulator drivers"?

Everyone has different opinions.

Here's a clip on rFactor with some "amateur" sim racers.

 

[Junkman55]

To my critics if by adding one race is bad , and you defending alternate accounts to save your A ranking . Could it be we are looking for better racing drivers to race with . Using ranking for all of your racing seems elitist then adding a sim wheel only for one race . Gamers and Simulator Drivers want the same thing for GTS to be the best and bring more good drivers for us to race against.

 

[Yard_Sale]

I just can't get over how odd the car looks,on screen with chase cam. When watching a replay it looks like the rear bumper of the car is staked thru to the ground and the rest of the pivots on the point. I have used cockpit view and was surprised that I was as fast as I was with bumper and roof cam straight away. I think I could be faster with cockpit view but I'm not sure what the racing would be like with other cars around.

racing in cockpit view isn’t bad. You just have to rely on your radar a lot more.

some cockpits are very, very good (gr.2 GTR being one of them, beetle and slophy are other ones). Some are tougher, but not impossible to race in. Some vehicles have sizable blind spots with their A-posts. All the modern Group 1 cars are pretty difficult to see out of. I imagine the same holds true in real life

 

[Scaff]

To my critics if by adding one race is bad , and you defending alternate accounts to save your A ranking .

I don't have an alternate account and the two things are utterly different, as such leave the strawman arguments at the door please.

Could it be we are looking for better racing drivers to race with . Using ranking for all of your racing seems elitist then adding a sim wheel only for one race .

That would be another logical fallacy.

Gamers and Simulator Drivers want the same thing for GTS to be the best and bring more good drivers for us to race against.

Which would not be achieved by what you are proposing. To limit one of the daily races to wheel only would alienate the majority of the player base to make a tiny minority happy, and to be blunt right now that minority looks to be you, as other wheel users are not demanding this.

 

[O604]

To my critics if by adding one race is bad , and you defending alternate accounts to save your A ranking . Could it be we are looking for better racing drivers to race with . Using ranking for all of your racing seems elitist then adding a sim wheel only for one race . Gamers and Simulator Drivers want the same thing for GTS to be the best and bring more good drivers for us to race against.

Critics? 200+ comments with not one person agreeing with you is not "critics" it's "consensus".

 

[Pigems]

i did not ask to change GTS into anything , All I want is one race added to the three daily’s it could be a duplicate of the a A race with the wheel as a choice of controller. We don’t know if it will change the amount of drivers for 12 or more for line up for all the races in the daily’s. If any thing it might draw more drivers for the opportunity to participate in GTS daily races. Simulator racing is growing 7 years ago the T500 was the wheel of choice look how many good wheel set ups to choose from now.

Look how we are agonizing over one race that is not available or even being considered by PD. The one thing that is known there are two different controller being used for two different driving abilities driving in one race. You had pointed out of lack of participation in a race maybe it’s time to try and fix that with new additional race for the simulator driver. Racing is not a game in the real world it is a sport, racing online is more than a game it’s what we want it to be.

There is barely enough people to fill 3 daily races now, adding more will only mean less people doing each race. Why can’t you understand that?








Sorry about the double post, I thought someone else had posted again first.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

To my critics if by adding one race is bad , and you defending alternate accounts to save your A ranking . Could it be we are looking for better racing drivers to race with . Using ranking for all of your racing seems elitist then adding a sim wheel only for one race . Gamers and Simulator Drivers want the same thing for GTS to be the best and bring more good drivers for us to race against.

I don't think many people would enter a wheel only daily race. The faster wheel users would stick to the normal races for a tighter grid and/or to help their DR (There is no excuse for being beaten by somebody using a pad on pace and beating a A+ room would be worth more points).

A more restricted lobby would be like the screenshot @Redneckchef posted earlier, some would go in to farm wins but the rest would be a mismatch of skill levels and a massively spread out grid.

I can understand your frustration with bad driving though, at DR D 99% of players cause stupid crashes by being unable to control their cars and making unpredictable moves. It's annoying but that is just the rating system working.

 

[Pigems]

You’d be better off to just start your own league for wheels only, you’d get much better racing that way. 👍