Gran Turismo Sport delayed to 2017

[Aphelion]

*sigh* I really wish that PD would explain more things. What they have been doing the past 3 years, why there is reduced content, that sort of thing. Surely they have their reasoning. Surely they realise that if they just explained more about their game people would have less frustrated questions.

 

[GT6mebe]

Churning out games quickly is not what one should prioritise. It should be delivering a quality product that the devs envisioned. The former is why Forza's relatively small sales are declining.

A full game that was going to have less content than any other full GT game by quite a margin.

Its on the same level as GT1 and GT3 so no. Not to mention its extensive photomode and online features.

 

[Aphelion]

Churning out games quickly is not what one should prioritise. It should be delivering a quality product that the devs envisioned. The former is why Forza's relatively small sales are declining.

Yes, but usually there is a pretty high content increase to compensate.

 

[UltimateYosh]

Why aren't I surprised?

Oh wait, Gran Turismo 5 exists.

 

[mister dog]

So, now to decide if I buy F1 2016 or Assetto Corsa...

Pick up both. I own them F1 2016 is a great 'game', very well executed and a great atmosphere. AC complements it nicely, not so much a 'game' but as you might have heard already an excellent driving simulation.

 

[GT6mebe]

Yes, but usually there is a pretty high content increase to compensate.

Depends on what you deem as content. VR is a massive burden put upon PD which no doubt takes a lot of their dev time but I know many of you would not even regard that.

 

[NixxxoN]

No, that's what you get with poor, stubborn management. We could have more content but PD continue to CHOOSE not to outsource their work.

Is this supposed to be a counter to the fact that GTS will have less content than any other 'full' game? 181 is more than 140 by my count and GT1 had race modifications that by todays counting standards nearly doubles the count.

You can spin it any way you like, that fact doesn't change. Call it a full game if you want, it is still a smaller full game than any other.

How many content does Asseto Corsa and PCars have?
And those are full games already released, not beta games still in development.

About outsourcing... if it was so good and so easy to do and with no con at all, everyone would do it. There must be some reason why PD dont want it, some drawback. Have you ever thought about this?

 

[nascarfan1400]

Im dissapointed it happened, but if you didnt see this coming you are either new here or ignorant. Sorry.

 

[Marron]

I'm very optimistic. To make something requires time.

 

[2clicks]

GT Sport will be very oriented online with FIA championships. I doubt they change their minds.

After more than 6 episodes, it's great that PoDi take a new direction. But it's just my opinion.

But if you think about it, the negative feedback towards the graphics and sound in the demo builds were responded to by PD. The unorthodox career mode might have been the final straw and they just withdrew themselves and said "Hey, this isn't up to scratch, we've got to get our act together." Obviously this is different from a visual and audio touch up, it actually needed them to go back to the drawing board to give the fans something more reminiscent of GTs past. (Theoretically of course, my hands are in the air as to the real reason for the delay.)

 

[Samus]

Churning out games quickly is not what one should prioritise. It should be delivering a quality product that the devs envisioned. The former is why Forza's relatively small sales are declining.

Shame PD have a history of delivering neither. Or have you forgotten GT5? Not quick, not a quality product on launch. I'm also not sure how exactly you know why a games sales are declining. I suppose you're one of those that believe it's a fact GT6 lost 6 million sales over GT5 purely because it was released late in the console cycle and no other reason.

Oh and how quick is too quick, out of interest?

How many content does Asseto Corsa and PCars have?
And those are full games already released, not beta games still in development.

Which has what relevance in the context of how big GT games are, which is the comparison that was being made?

But if you do insist on comparing, both of those games were made on a fraction of the budget PD have, with a fraction of the workforce, as a third party developer. Oh and yes you're right, they have released them already and have/will built on them. Something PD haven't yet managed.

So PD are going to release their game months or years later, with ~50 more cars and 2-3 more circuits? Good going.

About outsourcing... if it was so good and so easy to do and with no con at all, everyone would do it. There must be some reason why PD dont want it, some drawback. Have you ever thought about this?

Most people do do it, including the Japanese. We know why Kaz doesn't, he is stubborn and set in his ways of having everything done in-house.

 

[torque99]

Makes you wonder what Evolution/Codemasters are up to with this new IP they are working on multi-platform. I also think there is room for a bit more competition. Could it be a new Sim/Forza/GT/Grid Style game with 100's cars?

 

[05XR8]

Makes you wonder what Evolution/Codemasters are up to with this new IP they are working on multi-platform. I also think there is room for a bit more competition. Could it be a new Sim/Forza/GT/Grid Style game with 100's cars?

Who knows? They've been out of the "proper" Touring Car Championship for some time now. If they do a BTCC/WTCC game like their F1 game, I'd buy it.

 

[thorfynn]

It´s ok to do all the work in your own company. But who will do the work when 90% of all developers are busy with drawing some nice colors for rims and race suits. Oh , and helmets……

 

[LeGeNd-1]

I'm going to get so pissed if the delay is due to Sony forcing PD to add useless features for PS4 Neo, 3D, VR or whatever. Or PD being PD and they're trying to shoehorn a half baked feature that no one ends up using (like the GPS Visualiser - I'd love to know the % of user that actually used it in GT6).

For those of you expecting the game to be more polished at release, it'd be wise to temper your expectations. A delay this generation means "we are struggling to put out a game in working order" and not "the game is done and we are just making it better". Driveclub, PCARS, Assetto, SLRE...need I say more?

For me, I couldn't care less about the delay to be honest. I'm already lukewarm towards GTS after trying out a demo build. This just means I get to hang on to my $1000 a bit longer as I don't need to rush and buy PS4/G29 this holiday season My only regret would be I'm delayed from playing Driveclub again, but whatever. More time for Assetto for me

 

[Toysuprahot]

By the way people probably haven't realised but this delay means that either GTS will be the only PS4 GT game or they'll release a sequel right at the end of the PS4 lifetime, leading into the same cycle again for PS5.

Yes, GT Sport will be the only GT on PS4.
What is not certain however is whether a PS5 will really come out, as there's nothing indicating it, and releasing a more powerfull console (Neo) for the same platform certainly is not deja vu.

What I believe is more powerfull console releasing with compatibility with older ps4 games seeing the close to pc hardware, but with new exclusive games for the new one.
A lot like how DS always worked and the "new 3ds" showcases this.

 

[another_jakhole]

Yes. Imagine if they released a sub-par game. We sure have never experienced that before. It's a good job that GT5 and GT6 didn't require years of patches to bring them up to scratch.

Did I not say they didn't do that? Did I not have to end my post in some cryptic way I didn't do? Maybe I have to add some silly stupid junk about Kaz and PD in my signature like some other people or do I have to join the bandwagon by posting a bunch of crap like 1,000 others are doing for me with such vigor to make it official? What time's the meeting? I'll bring muffins. Have fun wasting time errrbody

 

[limesutam]

This is like an abusive relationship for me.

I get slapped in the face and he promises he wont do it again so I come back believing it and just when I'm getting comfortable thinking it won't happen again.................................slap !!

Will I ever learn......

 

[Imari]

Did I not say they didn't do that? Did I not have to end my post in some cryptic way I didn't do? Maybe I have to add some silly stupid junk about Kaz and PD in my signature like some other people or do I have to join the bandwagon by posting a bunch of crap like 1,000 others are doing for me with such vigor to make it official? What time's the meeting? I'll bring muffins. Have fun wasting time errrbody

He's mad.

 

[Inferno251]

PD really need more staff, their team has for the most part stayed the same size since the 90's. They are very slow at doing things and it's mind boggling how a game which will take so much of the core assets from GT5&6 takes so long to come out with, especially as it's a Prologue esque title with the least content in a GT game we have seen for a while.

Polyphony had 14 people at its inception. If they still had that many we would be still waiting for GT5

A full game that was going to have less content than any other full GT game by quite a margin.

The amount of content in a game is not indicative of the enjoyment you get out of it

 

[Scaff]

Churning out games quickly is not what one should prioritise. It should be delivering a quality product that the devs envisioned. The former is why Forza's relatively small sales are declining.

Last time I checked Forza's sales figures this gen looked a lot healthier than GT's?

You need a product on a platform to actually compete (which oddly is the second time in two days I've had to point this out).

 

[Aphelion]

Last time I checked Forza's sales figures this gen looked a lot healthier than GT's?

You need a product on a platform to actually compete (which oddly is the second time in two days I've had to point this out).

Several million to absolute 0.

 

[FoRiZon]

Why so far seeing Forza?

If you want to see how a game should be supported, look no further than Evolution Studio's Driveclub, which its closure its most likely the reason why large number people here are mad towards PD's incompetence.

 

[sems4arsenal]

I'm going to get so pissed if the delay is due to Sony forcing PD to add useless features for PS4 Neo, 3D, VR or whatever. Or PD being PD and they're trying to shoehorn a half baked feature that no one ends up using (like the GPS Visualiser - I'd love to know the % of user that actually used it in GT6).

For those of you expecting the game to be more polished at release, it'd be wise to temper your expectations. A delay this generation means "we are struggling to put out a game in working order" and not "the game is done and we are just making it better". Driveclub, PCARS, Assetto, SLRE...need I say more?

For me, I couldn't care less about the delay to be honest. I'm already lukewarm towards GTS after trying out a demo build. This just means I get to hang on to my $1000 a bit longer as I don't need to rush and buy PS4/G29 this holiday season My only regret would be I'm delayed from playing Driveclub again, but whatever. More time for Assetto for me

No way would Sony have wanted GTS to skip the holidays, they'd have wanted it bundled with PSVR ASAP.

 

[Mike_grpA]

Makes you wonder what Evolution/Codemasters are up to with this new IP they are working on multi-platform. I also think there is room for a bit more competition. Could it be a new Sim/Forza/GT/Grid Style game with 100's cars?

With the recent wave Codies are riding, from the overwhelmingly positive reception of Dirt Rally and F1 2016, and their more sim focused physics and more involving gameplay than the previous installments in those respective franchises, I could see them kind of re-booting the old PS2 era Race Driver franchise, but under a different IP, since Race Driver completely lost it's way with the Grid series. With them being busy with Dirt and the yearly F1 games, it would make sense to simply hand the newest version of ego (3.0, as used in F1 2015 and 2016) to the Evolution team, and let them go nuts building a Project CARS type sim, centered around multiple racing disciplines, and the "live the life" career style of the old PS2 Race Driver games, that they've brought back in a big way with F1 2016.

Yes, this is pretty much me dreaming lol, but it's not unrealistic, given Codemasters' recent change of direction with their racing titles.

 

[Samus]

The amount of content in a game is not indicative of the enjoyment you get out of it

Never said it did but the context of that quote is how slow PD are taking just to release a game of that size.

 

[ImaRobot]

Churning out games quickly is not what one should prioritise. It should be delivering a quality product that the devs envisioned. The former is why Forza's relatively small sales are declining.

One should prioritize getting games out as quickly as possible while upholding the utmost quality, something that Forza has been doing for some time now. PD has had problems hitting either of those marks. A game taking half a decade to be made doesn't automatically make it a quality product.

GTS was promising for me, and it was supposed to be the game that finally gets me to buy a PS4. However, the more and more information that became available, coupled with the issues it's having, the interest is slowly fading.

 

[GT6mebe]

Shame PD have a history of delivering neither. Or have you forgotten GT5? Not quick, not a quality product on launch. I'm also not sure how exactly you know why a games sales are declining. I suppose you're one of those that believe it's a fact GT6 lost 6 million sales over GT5 purely because it was released late in the console cycle and no other reason.

Oh and how quick is too quick, out of interest?

GT5 was one of my favorite games of last gen so no. GT6 suffered both from a lack of new enticing features and coming out when PS4 launched. You do understand that the cratering of PS3 software sales after the PS4 launch is a real thing.

Last time I checked Forza's sales figures this gen looked a lot healthier than GT's?

You need a product on a platform to actually compete (which oddly is the second time in two days I've had to point this out).

Struggling to debut at 100k+, LTD's of <2 million and a decline is hardly healthy.
Last time I checked GTS has yet to release so can you you assess the health of the sales figures.

 

[Scaff]

Struggling to debut at 100k+, LTD's of <2 million and a decline is hardly healthy.
Last time I checked GTS has yet to release so can you you assess the health of the sales figures.

Yes we can. This generation MS has seen a return on the money they have put into Forza and the XB1 and the associated press that goes with it.

Sony and PD have a zero in that column!

Do you honestly think that given the increase in competition in the sim and driving title market this generation that its good for Sony and PD to have failed to release a single title this generation? PD's sales this gen are non-existent, that's about as unhealthy as it gets.

You also seem to forget that Forza is not the only series with falling sales numbers (not that PD like talking about that much any more).

 

[GT6mebe]

One should prioritize getting games out as quickly as possible while upholding the utmost quality, something that Forza has been doing for some time now. PD has had problems hitting either of those marks. A game taking half a decade to be made doesn't automatically make it a quality product.

GTS was promising for me, and it was supposed to be the game that finally gets me to buy a PS4. However, the more and more information that became available, coupled with the issues it's having, the interest is slowly fading.

Priority should be on quality and meeting certain deadlines. When you say ASAP, I suppose you mean every 2 years which is not what GT should do. It results in not as much new content and franchise fatigue and its what you see happening with Forza.