Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

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I'm not sure that's necessarily the case.
Well not for me anyway.

I'm an old-school gamer.
I'm used to progressing through stage 1 to stage 2, no matter the game.
The lack of direction through sand-box games feels awkward to me.

Not what I'm used to.
Not what I enjoy.
 
sems4arsenal
Am I the only one who prefers GT games' old-fashioned GT mode to sim games Career mode like the ones in PCARS and Dirt Rally?

I don't get the appeal of PCARS's career when I can race any car on any track of my choosing online or offline at the time of my choosing.
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In theory, the appeal is the same appeal for all pure sims - driving and racing for the pure joy of driving and racing.
 
Johnnypenso
In theory, the appeal is the same appeal for all pure sims - driving and racing for the pure joy of driving and racing.
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Indeed, and that's a powerful draw. But I know that, for me, some level of designed-in progression is preferable to me having to create my own. It's why I still think FM6's Arcade Mode approach is a nice balancing of both desires: you can run any car on any track there, but you can't tune or modify them. Want that? Well, you'll need to buy one with credits then.

Understandably, that's still not perfect, though. Some people want to tinker right from the off, and opening up the cars to that probably makes it harder for any developer to design a typical progression system around "earning" the cars.

Of course, there's another issue, for me anyway: the draw of "driving and racing for the pure joy of driving and racing" is diminished when a significant chunk of the cars are all fantasy-mobiles. As much as I like cruising around in GTA V, it's not quite the same. The VGT's still do nothing for me in the same way I have the desire to go lap a stock E92 M3 around the 'Ring (hat tip to @VXR) just for the hell of it.

Don't get me wrong, I get the competitive nature of GTS, and that's its own sort of draw. It's a cool one, and for many, that's the big draw here. But the game – so far – just doesn't check off a lot of the things I have on my own personal list for driving games.
 
Tassie_tiger
I'm not sure that's necessarily the case.
Well not for me anyway.

I'm an old-school gamer.
I'm used to progressing through stage 1 to stage 2, no matter the game.
The lack of direction through sand-box games feels awkward to me.

Not what I'm used to.
Not what I enjoy.
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Well clearly it is the case because what I was saying is there are people like you and people like me and I understand that. I'm pretty sure I'm an old school gamer. I remember the days of playing text based games and playing on a monochrome monitor.

But ever since I was a kid I dreamed of the racing games of the future because I dreamed of being a race driver in real life, I always loved cars. And when I think of racing games I think of them as the affordable substitute to what I can't afford in real life.

So my comparison is this, if you won a competition that would award you a seat in a race car of your choice for one season which car would you choose? For me I would go straight to GT3. Someone else might pick F3 and someone else might pick V8SC's. I doubt anyone is going to pick 3J Improved Production and yet that is exactly what people say they want GT to be.

But that progression of grinding through events that I'm not interested in to be able to buy a car to clear another event I have no interest in, the game seems like more work than fun. I think games should be fun and if I work to play games the last thing I want to do is play games that make me work.

On the other hand I know there are a massive number of people who love working in games and I don't have a problem with that, I don't get it because I'm not like that but I accept different people enjoy different things. It reminds me of when I was younger and I went skiing for the first time, apparently I was a natural because it isn't normal to get up first time and drop a ski and get bored of single so you go barefoot the first time you ever go out. So the guy who instructed me was some guy who trained the best and he offered to train me, he was shocked when I said I wasn't interested because I don't want to get up at 4AM in the mornings to train for a sport that I think is boring. But plenty of people spend a fortune on skiing because they love it, I turned down an opportunity some people may have considered a dream because I didn't think it was fun.
 
7HO
Well clearly it is the case because what I was saying is there are people like you and people like me and I understand that. I'm pretty sure I'm an old school gamer. I remember the days of playing text based games and playing on a monochrome monitor.

But ever since I was a kid I dreamed of the racing games of the future because I dreamed of being a race driver in real life, I always loved cars. And when I think of racing games I think of them as the affordable substitute to what I can't afford in real life.

So my comparison is this, if you won a competition that would award you a seat in a race car of your choice for one season which car would you choose? For me I would go straight to GT3. Someone else might pick F3 and someone else might pick V8SC's. I doubt anyone is going to pick 3J Improved Production and yet that is exactly what people say they want GT to be.

But that progression of grinding through events that I'm not interested in to be able to buy a car to clear another event I have no interest in, the game seems like more work than fun. I think games should be fun and if I work to play games the last thing I want to do is play games that make me work.

On the other hand I know there are a massive number of people who love working in games and I don't have a problem with that, I don't get it because I'm not like that but I accept different people enjoy different things. It reminds me of when I was younger and I went skiing for the first time, apparently I was a natural because it isn't normal to get up first time and drop a ski and get bored of single so you go barefoot the first time you ever go out. So the guy who instructed me was some guy who trained the best and he offered to train me, he was shocked when I said I wasn't interested because I don't want to get up at 4AM in the mornings to train for a sport that I think is boring. But plenty of people spend a fortune on skiing because they love it, I turned down an opportunity some people may have considered a dream because I didn't think it was fun.
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Good post, and I understand what you're saying.

For me, I guess I just like that linear progression.
 
Mike_grpA
Hold on, that Bugatti weighs 980kg? There's no way that's possible in the real world. The Bugatti W16 engine weighs around 400kg on it's own, so when you consider the addition of the heavy-duty 4WD drivetrain and the excessive cooling the engine requires, that would leave next to no headroom for the chassis, body, suspension, wheels, interior, etc. There's just no way that would be possible. A 1.6l turbo F1 engine weighs less than 150kg, and despite this, teams struggle to get their cars down to the 700kg minimum weight limit, and that's a car designed to be as light as possible, with barely enough room for the driver, no interior bar a bare cabon seat and a steering wheel, and made entirely from composites.
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I think 400 kg for a race prepared W16 is maybe a touch high; the intake manifolds alone will be 10 kg apiece and could be swapped for composite items, assuming "homologation" (lol) isn't an issue... Then there's the exhaust, the turbos, all the rads / HEs, the valvetrain and internals, various covers and accessory castings, gearbox etc. all of which could be re-engineered for motorsport and specialist manufacture instead of neglectable road use and assembly-line compatibility.

But the 980 kg total weight is still obviously optimistic. Remember, though, it's the Bugatti VGT and not, strictly, a Veyron or Chiron, despite the styling.
 
Griffith500
I think 400 kg for a race prepared W16 is maybe a touch high; the intake manifolds alone will be 10 kg apiece and could be swapped for composite items, assuming "homologation" (lol) isn't an issue... Then there's the exhaust, the turbos, all the rads / HEs, the valvetrain and internals, various covers and accessory castings, gearbox etc. all of which could be re-engineered for motorsport and specialist manufacture instead of neglectable road use and assembly-line compatibility.

But the 980 kg total weight is still obviously optimistic. Remember, though, it's the Bugatti VGT and not, strictly, a Veyron or Chiron, despite the styling.
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If there's two Bug VGT's in the game, like the Mazda – a Gr. 1, and the "stock" version – perhaps the Gr. 1 would be theoretically running the VAG group turbo V8? That'd shave some weight off. One could argue it runs a unique chassis too, completed unrelated to the road car and possibly more like an LMP under the skin.

But yeah, PD can say it weighs pretty much whatever they want. :lol:
 
Any word or idea if Mazda is going to have a Gr.3 car too? Wouldn't mind representing them. :dopey: Them or Jaguar at this point. :D Hard to argue with the F-Type though. :drool:
 
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doblocruiser
Honestly I think that every manufacturer will have one or more cars available in each class.
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Nah, I don't see Citroen having a car for every class. Neither Honda, or Ruf. And probably many others that don't have anything close to Gr.1 or Gr.3.
 
sems4arsenal
Am I the only one who prefers GT games' old-fashioned GT mode to sim games Career mode like the ones in PCARS and Dirt Rally?

I don't get the appeal of PCARS's career when I can race any car on any track of my choosing online or offline at the time of my choosing.
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Tp be fair, both attract quite a different audiences. PCars attracts full on Sim Racers like in rFactor, Asseto Corsa, Raceroom, etc. While GT prefer more easy to pick racers akin to Forza Motorsport.
 
I cannot imagine all manufacturers having a car in each class. I don't expect to see a Maserati or Ford in Gr.1 for example. Be pretty cool though.
 
doblocruiser
Honestly I think that every manufacturer will have one or more cars available in each class.
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True that. Specially because Ford will have 2 guns for the Gr.b (mustang and focus) :). And since all VGTs are confirmed for GTS, so there's still surprises hidden for these months :)
dacc10
Nah, I don't see Citroen having a car for every class. Neither Honda, or Ruf. And probably many others that don't have anything close to Gr.1 or Gr.3.
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For citroen... Aheeemm *sorry. Kind of sick* lol
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Scuderia Paul
I cannot imagine all manufacturers having a car in each class. I don't expect to see a Maserati or Ford in Gr.1 for example. Be pretty cool though.
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Ummm, MC12 and 2017 GT??... Or a Ford VGT??
 
@05XR8 @girabyt3 I completely forgot about the upcoming Ford VGT! Oops...
:embarrassed:

I just don't feel that the Maserati MC12 will come to GTS because it may be deemed the slightest bit too old. PD feel happy to prove me wrong.

MINI! I don't think we'll get a Gr.1 MINI. Right?
 
If that little Alfa can be turned into à cool Gr.3 machine they surely can do it for many others as well. Honda could have the new nsx as a Gr.3 , Citroën Elysée could be reworked to a Gr.3. It seems as well it will be the most populated class but if you can represent your manufacturer, it should be possible to represent it in each class.

I also think that only the N-class will have a few subclasses.

PD is in "fantasy" mode so who knows what to expect more :D

Any thoughts on the Gr.2 class? Could they be classics?
 
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girabyt3
For citroen... Aheeemm *sorry. Kind of sick* lol
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The thing is, that Citroen could be a Gr.3 car. I don't see any other car to race in Gr.3 for Citroen. If that car happens to be in Gr.1, then Citroen won't have any Gr.3 car.

girabyt3
Ummm, MC12 and 2017 GT??... Or a Ford VGT??
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MC-12 would be a Gr.3 car at best. But for Gr.3, we will most likely get a GranTurismo Gr.3.
For Ford, GT 2017? The road car? Not going to happen. If that happens, then we would see LaFerrari in Gr.1 too. Their VGT as a Gr.1 car, it will depend on what kind of car we get. For now, we don't know much other than that early sketch.

Many other brands most likely won't have any car in some classes (Ferrari in Rally Gr. B :D).

I don't think there will be a Gr.2 (from release day). If it comes after release, it could be anything, from classics to Group C, GT-1, Super GT500, LMP2... Trying to guess what could be is just a shot in the dark right now.
 
There are two manufacturers that for me, are the most compelling. They are Porsche and Maserati. I will be looking forward to these most of all in the next Gran Turismo.
 
I think that Group 2 would be something like Super GT or DTM. There are faster than GT3 but slower than LMP1, so that would fit perfectly...
 
For me, the Group 2 could be lmp2s or GTLM-GTE class cars with Super GTs and other categories between GT3 and LMP1s
 

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