Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[diesel97]

Hopefully they patch this in the next update!

Still have no idea about the Big Willow top times.
When I got my first 3 cars I tested the WRX at Willow and I was surprised at how "open" and free the track was so I tried to get a shortcut.
But, obviously when I tried it I'd rather get a 3+ secs penalty or get reseted to the track from where I tried to cheat.
So how are people doing it?

I'm just curious and I won't be doing this.
Like in every game, especially at GTS I don't want to cheat. It is unfair and you don't enjoy the grind (and also the nerves you get)

I never could understand why people think like this, the first thing they do is look for short cuts. It has never crossed my mind that what would happen if I just cut half the track off. I know you said you never would but IMO it's just as bad looking for it.

IMO if you never thought about using you would never have gone out looking for it, But too each their own. FYI I,m not saying you would use it.Just a mind set.

 

[cjr3559]

Can't believe that group of drivers all had 'B' SR ratings. Should be more like 'D'. If colliding with multiple cars on nearly every corner gives you a B rating then there's something definitely wrong with the system.

And the 'BRAKE' warning indicator? That video is undeniable proof they need to get rid of it. Because even if it has good intentions, it's completely ignored by anyone who has played the game for more than 1 day.

 

[Haitauer]

I never could understand why people think like this, the first thing they do is look for short cuts. It has never crossed my mind that what would happen if I just cut half the track off. I know you said you never would but IMO it's just as bad looking for it.

IMO if you never thought about using you would never have gone out looking for it, But too each their own. FYI I,m not saying you would use it.Just a mind set.

And then they complain about invisible walls..

 

[bokimoto]

Can't believe that group of drivers all had 'B' SR ratings. Should be more like 'D'. If colliding with multiple cars on nearly every ...

This is exactly what i was going to post. The v1.05 SR rating system is so much worse than the previous version.

I think a lot of folks want GTS to be a completely different driving game, than what this one was supposed to be.

 

[diesel97]

This is exactly what i was going to post. The v1.05 SR rating system is so much worse than the previous version.

I think a lot of folks want GTS to be a completely different driving game, than what this one was supposed to be.

Who is to say "what it is supposed to be" To me it looks like PD wants to play on both sides of the line. Jack of all trades master of none comes to mind.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I never could understand why people think like this, the first thing they do is look for short cuts. It has never crossed my mind that what would happen if I just cut half the track off. I know you said you never would but IMO it's just as bad looking for it.

IMO if you never thought about using you would never have gone out looking for it, But too each their own. FYI I,m not saying you would use it.Just a mind set.

It's a beta. Would you rather people not hunt down any exploits until after the full game is in customers' hands?

 

[diesel97]

It's a beta. Would you rather people not hunt down any exploits until after the full game is in customers' hands?

This happens on every game beta or not, my point was why do people have to have this mentality? The shortcut/ cheating has been found and people still want to know where thats not beta test anymore that's if you can't beat'em you mine as well join them. Posting videos of the cheat aren't helping either.

 

[cjr3559]

This is exactly what i was going to post. The v1.05 SR rating system is so much worse than the previous version.

I think a lot of folks want GTS to be a completely different driving game, than what this one was supposed to be.

From what I've seen this game is heading towards being an Arcade racing game. If that's ultimately the outcome then the SR system should just be removed from the final product.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

This happens on every game beta or not, my point was why do people have to have this mentality? The shortcut/ cheating has been found and people still want to know where thats not beta test anymore that's if you can't beat'em you mine as well join them. Posting videos of the cheat aren't helping either.

Players shouldn't be blamed for the exploits that are left in-game (or missed) by the developers. It's happened before with GT Academy, and the first season of ForzaRC.

If there's a competitive edge to be had, expect players to find it and use it. That's the nature of video games, especially competitive ones. Bringing more attention to it increases the chances of it being fixed, too.

 

[kingpen]

From what I've seen this game is heading towards being an Arcade racing game. If that's ultimately the outcome then the SR system should just be removed from the final product.

Yeah... arcade. Maybe one day GT will have a Hot Wheels expansion pack and we can all drive through flaming hoops...

 

[Outspacer]

This happens on every game beta or not, my point was why do people have to have this mentality? The shortcut/ cheating has been found and people still want to know where thats not beta test anymore that's if you can't beat'em you mine as well join them. Posting videos of the cheat aren't helping either.

I'll try and cheer you up - cheater was in a race last night, I overtook him cleanly to gain 2nd. He went for the shortcut, and as I was going down the start-finish straight I saw him jump back to 2nd on the race info. He must've screwed up though, since a moment later I was 2nd again. In the end, he was a DNF

 

[bokimoto]

Who is to say "what it is supposed to be" (?)...

I believe Kaz is "the one to say", and he said what it was 'supposed' to be, and a lot of us are finding it's not that ... yet.

I think he said to expect things like orderly competition, sim level physics, and even a 'racing' license program.

I agree with you, diesel97, it seems now, that they want to play "both sides of the line", and if they "master none",
they will lose both sides of the line, especially the ones who wanted SR to work.

Now, seeing their SR in action, that seems like it was simply a sales pitch to retain the interest of the more serious drivers,
while making it easier for controller play & gamers.

But ... beta days, folks, beta days ... hopefully they are reading feedback & are agile enough to sort things ... I'm staying optimistc, and I am sooooo ready for v1.06

 

[cjr3559]

Yeah... arcade. Maybe one day GT will have a Hot Wheels expansion pack and we can all drive through flaming hoops...

So beating and banging on other cars with no consequence is a simulation?

EDIT:

So what we have are very gray definitions of 'Arcade' and Simulation'. Hot Wheels cars jumping through rings of fire is stunt driving or likely fantasy.

 

[diesel97]

Players shouldn't be blamed for the exploits that are left in-game (or missed) by the developers. It's happened before with GT Academy, and the first season of ForzaRC.

If there's a competitive edge to be had, expect players to find it and use it. That's the nature of video games, especially competitive ones. Bringing more attention to it increases the chances of it being fixed, too.

Sorry to disagree I will not praise a driver who tries to cheat in every race this is the same person that will dive bomb every corner and we all hate them. Same mentality win at any cost.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

So beating and banging on other cars with no consequence is a simulation?

It would be if there was a decent damage model a damage model of any kind in place.

Sorry to disagree I will not praise a driver who tries to cheat in every race this is the same person that will dive bomb every corner and we all hate them. Same mentality win at any cost.

Who said anything about praise?

No, it isn't the same person. It can be, but not always. That you fail to see the difference is telling.

 

[diesel97]

It would be if there was a decent damage model a damage model of any kind in place.



Who said anything about praise?

No, it isn't the same person. It can be, but not always. That you fail to see the difference is telling.

Of course, I didn't mean "always" and "everybody" I was generalizing. I do "blame them" for making a conscious decision to exploiting a cheat

 

[Outspacer]

Now, seeing their SR in action, that seems like it was simply a sales pitch to retain the interest of the more serious drivers,
while making it easier for controller play & gamers.

But ... beta days, folks, beta days ... hopefully they are reading feedback & are agile enough to sort things ... I'm staying optimistc, and I am sooooo ready for v1.06

I assume that SR is calculated on the server, so they could change the scoring without an update. In fact, I think they have done that a day or two ago, as now it seems generous whereas since 1.05 it was a royal bitch - I slid from A to C with no real change in my driving. Last night I got +SR at the end after seeing one -SR from being bumped in the race; at SR=B that wouldn't have happened before.

 

[GT Sport]

I never could understand why people think like this, the first thing they do is look for short cuts. It has never crossed my mind that what would happen if I just cut half the track off. I know you said you never would but IMO it's just as bad looking for it.

IMO if you never thought about using you would never have gone out looking for it, But too each their own. FYI I,m not saying you would use it.Just a mind set.

You are right but the reason why I tested it was because I wanted to know if it was going to work.
If it had, I'd have reported it so they patch it ASAP.
And before the start/finish line I'd have stopped and quit without saving my time or I'd have finished to see the final result but then I'd have closed the game so nothing gets saved.
That's why I thought like this.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Is a 1'35 dead a good time with a Scirocco GT4 at Brands?

The top 10 are mostly GTRs sadly and my US account isn't filled with friends.

Using Kev's tune.

 

[Matypanda]

Nothing new, looks great thought.

 

[diesel97]

You are right but the reason why I tested it was because I wanted to know if it was going to work.
If it had, I'd have reported it so they patch it ASAP.
And before the start/finish line I'd have stopped and quit without saving my time or I'd have finished to see the final result but then I'd have closed the game so nothing gets saved.
That's why I thought like this.

Like I said I wasn't trying to call you out, sorry if was taken that way.

 

[Haitauer]

This happens on every game beta or not, my point was why do people have to have this mentality? The shortcut/ cheating has been found and people still want to know where thats not beta test anymore that's if you can't beat'em you mine as well join them. Posting videos of the cheat aren't helping either.

Players shouldn't be blamed for the exploits that are left in-game (or missed) by the developers. It's happened before with GT Academy, and the first season of ForzaRC.

If there's a competitive edge to be had, expect players to find it and use it. That's the nature of video games, especially competitive ones. Bringing more attention to it increases the chances of it being fixed, too.

And what the cheaters gain? A possibility to race agains other cheater after matching by lap time..

Its funny this win at any cost culture. Most people wont give any respect for winning by cheating, but then theres these few flags where it seems to be respectable - and not just in games..

I assume that SR is calculated on the server, so they could change the scoring without an update. In fact, I think they have done that a day or two ago, as now it seems generous whereas since 1.05 it was a royal bitch - I slid from A to C with no real change in my driving. Last night I got +SR at the end after seeing one -SR from being bumped in the race; at SR=B that wouldn't have happened before.

I noticed this yesterday as couple of days it was basically red letters for everyone, now it was mostly blue. I was messing up bigtime 4 out of 5 laps at willow - just on my own and not hitting people, and got blue for finishing around 10th..

Nothing new, looks great thought.

Funny how that alfa slides out of control - like that would happen after v1.05

 

[GT Sport]

Like I said I wasn't trying to call you out, sorry if was taken that way.

Nope! I got your point.
I just let you know

 

[imported_rik19]

Does GTsport show up on psn store for anyone, it`s not showing for me in pre orders or normal search. anyone else?

 

[jm79]

Does GTsport show up on psn store for anyone, it`s not showing for me in pre orders or normal search. anyone else?

Yeah I thought the same a couple of weeks back.
Folks here told me it has been missing from the UK store since they missed the original release date, or some such.

All other stores seem to have it still...

 

[TheProRacer]

Does GTsport show up on psn store for anyone, it`s not showing for me in pre orders or normal search. anyone else?

Yes, it's on the United States PlayStation store, but the release date is set to December 32, 2017. I wonder if pre-orders are still being cancelled...

 

[Imari]

And what the cheaters gain? A possibility to race agains other cheater after matching by lap time..

Its funny this win at any cost culture. Most people wont give any respect for winning by cheating, but then theres these few flags where it seems to be respectable - and not just in games..

It's not a win at any cost culture. It's playing the game with the rules that you are provided. If the rules allow you to cut corners, then you're a moron if you don't cut corners and you're always going to lose to people who are use the rules to their full advantage.

You could argue that the game would be better if the rules were designed differently, but when you're playing an actual competition the rules are what the game allows you to do. Anything else is just you crippling yourself so that you can have excuses for why you lost.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

I agree that some of the stuff in the GTS beta now is not good for a game, but a) it's a beta, and b) just use it. That's the game at the moment, for better or worse.

 

[PzR Slim]

It's not a win at any cost culture. It's playing the game with the rules that you are provided. If the rules allow you to cut corners, then you're a moron if you don't cut corners and you're always going to lose to people who are use the rules to their full advantage.

You could argue that the game would be better if the rules were designed differently, but when you're playing an actual competition the rules are what the game allows you to do. Anything else is just you crippling yourself so that you can have excuses for why you lost.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

I agree that some of the stuff in the GTS beta now is not good for a game, but a) it's a beta, and b) just use it. That's the game at the moment, for better or worse.

This is a very fair point. We all have our own moral compass and everyones is different. So to try and compete with your own moral compass as a guide is very difficult to give parity. That's why games have rules. Follow the rules and we all have the same moral compass. At the moment the rules of GTS allow for some stuff that just isn't acceptable to most people but those are the rules as we stand. Some of the kerb riding that is allowed in GTS I just don't find acceptable but if I don't do it I don't compete.

 

[Haitauer]

It's not a win at any cost culture. It's playing the game with the rules that you are provided. If the rules allow you to cut corners, then you're a moron if you don't cut corners and you're always going to lose to people who are use the rules to their full advantage.

You could argue that the game would be better if the rules were designed differently, but when you're playing an actual competition the rules are what the game allows you to do. Anything else is just you crippling yourself so that you can have excuses for why you lost.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

I agree that some of the stuff in the GTS beta now is not good for a game, but a) it's a beta, and b) just use it. That's the game at the moment, for better or worse.

This is a very fair point. We all have our own moral compass and everyones is different. So to try and compete with your own moral compass as a guide is very difficult to give parity. That's why games have rules. Follow the rules and we all have the same moral compass. At the moment the rules of GTS allow for some stuff that just isn't acceptable to most people but those are the rules as we stand. Some of the kerb riding that is allowed in GTS I just don't find acceptable but if I don't do it I don't compete.

People are different in that way. Some enjoy winning some enjoy competing. I'll happily let someone win by cheat - i can enjoy racing in 10th place. Thats why im not even using the fastest car always.

Its the old cliche - its not about the destination its all about the journey there..

Maybe cheaters are also a big customer group, and PDI is just taking them in consideratio..

You are familiar with the concept of fair game? 👍

I think this can also be affiliated to SR. I have had plenty of races where i gain SR for finishing clean close to the end of the pack.

 

[queleuleu]

https://simracer.es/posible-retraso-en-gran-turismo-sport-por-la-fia/
According to this article, the FIA considers that GTSport is too arcade for an official FIA eSport championship. They want Poly to include a "sim" mode for the FIA races, and could explain in part the delay.