Gran Turismo Sport Has Sold an Estimated 8 Million Copies

[Silver Arrows]

8,926,999 profiles is still an impressive number for a game that is not given for free

Keep stomping about saying that Forza games were offered for free, it won't make it any less false, or make people who actually know what is the score WRT Game Pass and how Forza is offered point out how false it is.

You keep saying that Forza games, and Game Pass games are given away for free. Prove it, because you still have to pay for the price of the subscription, monthly I believe. Last time I checked, that isn't free.

I know you probably won't because you, like Mebe, will continually shift goalposts because all that matters is continuing to stoke the flame of GT vs. Forza fights past.

 

[AlanH49]

New players per week is highly reliant on time of year and store discounts. For example GT Sport has just gone on sale on PSN, and as we move out of summer, gaming time tends to go up. And of course......there’s Spa.

Keep stomping about saying that Forza games were offered for free, it won't make it any less false, or make people who actually know what is the score WRT Game Pass and how Forza is offered point out how false it is.

You keep saying that Forza games, and Game Pass games are given away for free. Prove it, because you still have to pay for the price of the subscription, monthly I believe. Last time I checked, that isn't free.

I know you probably won't because you, like Mebe, will continually shift goalposts because all that matters is continuing to stoke the flame of GT vs. Forza fights past.

GamePass is like Netflix. You may buy a months subscription to watch a full season of Stranger Things. But also check out another series where you only watch the opening episode. They’d both be classed as viewers/players, but their engagement time would be very different. Further, to recoup their investment, these platform holders need concurrent subscribers, over multiple months & years. The issue is further confused as MS are still in the promotional phase, offering GamePass for $2 per month, and so on.

If a title is not on said service. You need to pay $20-$60 upfront.

 

[Outspacer]

New players per week is highly reliant on time of year and store discounts. For example GT Sport has just gone on sale on PSN, and as we move out of summer, gaming time tends to go up. And of course......there’s Spa.

Indeed. I tend to look at a few weeks with no specific sale on and do a mental average to get a baseline. Then compare with the same period last year, and it's down maybe 20%... which I'd say is pretty good!

 

[breeminator]

Keep stomping about saying that Forza games were offered for free, it won't make it any less false, or make people who actually know what is the score WRT Game Pass and how Forza is offered point out how false it is.

IIRC on a recent live stream, one of the PG employees referred to new exclusive cars as being free. This is no different to regarding the game itself as being free on game pass, i.e. both are regarding zero marginal cost as synonymous with free. It's no different to a "buy one get one free" offer in a supermarket, so it is in accordance with common usage of the term.

 

[rhalgr]

IIRC on a recent live stream, one of the PG employees referred to new exclusive cars as being free. This is no different to regarding the game itself as being free on game pass, i.e. both are regarding zero marginal cost as synonymous with free. It's no different to a "buy one get one free" offer in a supermarket, so it is in accordance with common usage of the term.

This are the worst examples ever. The car you are talking about was free dlc for everyone. No gold, no gamepass required.

The supermarket example is bad, because you actually are getting the other item for free. You don't need to sub to a service and when you stop paying get the second item taken away from you. So its literally free in all intends and purposes.

FH4 isn't free and i don't get why we always have to fight stupid dumb fanboys wars and as racing fans can't be happy that those franchises are doing great and show there is an huge audiences for racing games still.

After the performance of pCars 2, GT6, FM, ... this is a good sign and hopefully provides a plattform for publishers to invest more in again, so we can play great racing games for generations to come.

 

[breeminator]

This are the worst examples ever. The car you are talking about was free dlc for everyone. No gold, no gamepass required.

The supermarket example is bad, because you actually are getting the other item for free. You don't need to sub to a service and when you stop paying get the second item taken away from you.

The car wasn't free because you've bought the game, so it's zero marginal cost. The supermarket item also isn't free, it's zero marginal cost, you can't have it for free unless you buy the first item. Without realising it, you've actually made my case for me by happily equating zero marginal cost with free in those two cases.

 

[Silver Arrows]

The car wasn't free because you've bought the game, so it's zero marginal cost. The supermarket item also isn't free, it's zero marginal cost, you can't have it for free unless you buy the first item. Without realising it, you've actually made my case for me by happily equating zero marginal cost with free in those two cases.

Then what is the free content in GT Sport to you then? Because in your belief, those were zero marginal cost either, because you bought the game.

 

[rhalgr]

Then what is the free content in GT Sport to you then? Because in your belief, those were zero marginal cost either, because you bought the game.

Nothing of the free updates is free, because you need the game to use them. Well, according to him it seems.

 

[Daniel55]

For those saying that the cars aren't free... They are FREE. The game was shipped with X amount of cars. What is added afterwards can be paid or free content. Of course you have to buy the game, that's the subject. It's like saying that you go to a gas station, you buy some gas for your bike, but there is a promotion and you win a set of wheels for a car. They are free, even if you don't have a car. You bought the gas, same as the game, but you received more for free. That content could be very well paid content, but they decided to give it for free, at no extra cost. Why is it so hard for some of you to accept it?

 

[rhalgr]

Why is it so hard for some of you to accept it?

fanboy wars.

 

[Daniel55]

fanboy wars.

A never-ending war

 

[breeminator]

Then what is the free content in GT Sport to you then? Because in your belief, those were zero marginal cost either, because you bought the game.

Correct, the extra content in GTS is also technically zero marginal cost, rather than free.

You buy game pass, you get FH4 at zero extra (marginal) cost
You buy FH4, you get new exclusive cars at zero extra cost
You buy GTS, you get new content at zero extra cost
You buy an item from a supermarket where there is a BOGOF offer and you get a 2nd item at zero extra cost

In all these cases, the technical term is "zero marginal cost", but common usage of the word "free" sees it as synonymous, even though technically it isn't.

 

[rhalgr]

@breeminator
The problem with your examples are that you need to continue paying to play games on gamepass, ps now, ... while the dlc is free. As in, free to use forever no matter what.

 

[FoRiZon]

 

[breeminator]

@breeminator
The problem with your examples are that you need to continue paying to play games on gamepass, ps now, ... while the dlc is free. As in, free to use forever no matter what.

It makes no difference whether it's a single payment or a recurring payment, there is still zero marginal cost associated with the additional consumption. You pay the same recurring cost no matter how many games you play, each game is played at zero marginal cost.

Imagine that instead of buying one loaf of bread and getting a 2nd one free, you instead enter into a contract where the transaction recurs once a week. Would you stop regarding those 2nd loaves of bread as free now that it's a recurring arrangement? The first one each week isn't zero marginal cost, but the 2nd one is, it's zero marginal cost every time.

 

[GaLbaNoryes]

For those saying that the cars aren't free... They are FREE. The game was shipped with X amount of cars. What is added afterwards can be paid or free content. Of course you have to buy the game, that's the subject. It's like saying that you go to a gas station, you buy some gas for your bike, but there is a promotion and you win a set of wheels for a car. They are free, even if you don't have a car. You bought the gas, same as the game, but you received more for free. That content could be very well paid content, but they decided to give it for free, at no extra cost. Why is it so hard for some of you to accept it?

I can't believe this needs to be said lol. What the hell do people think the DLC part of Free DLC stands for?

 

[Outspacer]

For DLC, agreed, it can either have a price or not, and if not then 'free' is a reasonable and easy way to describe it that isn't a mouthful of legalese.


But, never mind whether people call FH4 on gamepass 'free' or some other 'zero cost' convolution, it isn't.

For the players, the monthly gamepass cost can be split over the games played that month on a time-played basis. Easy to calculate the cost; not free.

For the publishers, you can be sure they'll be wanting their cut of the revenue from gamepass. Not free.

In a disengenuous way, I could say I've played FH4 for FREE since day one! I paid the money to play the first second, so every second after that is FREE!!

So what counts? Revenue? Profit? I'm pretty sure that with GTS discounted heavily almost from launch that FH4 has done better on both counts, even without the contribution from gamepass, and even though it was released later. I don't mind that - I've played both, had fun with both, and they both made enough money to continue to another iteration which is the main thing.

 

[azeeza]

So if we follow your logic, nothing is free, even your friends give you gift, you get it for free, but it isn't cause ypur friend paid it lol

 

[Outspacer]

So if we follow your logic, nothing is free, even your friends give you gift, you get it for free, but it isn't cause ypur friend paid it lol

lolwhut?!

Dirt Rally is free on Steam right now. No prior purchase, no subscription, and no limit on how/when it's played. That's a good clear example of free.

 

[azeeza]

lolwhut?!

Dirt Rally is free on Steam right now. No prior purchase, no subscription. That's a good clear example of free.

It isn't, you paid your PC, power supply and so on

 

[Outspacer]

It isn't, you paid your PC, power supply and so on

Sheesh dude, you got me!

 

[GTV0819]

It isn't, you paid your PC, power supply and so on

Don't forget the internet connection, too.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

At it’s current rate GT Sport will hit around 10m profiles sometime next year. I also feel it will be a PS+ title in the next 12-18 months. The plan will be to up engagement and push the brand before GT7 launches. PS+ could bring in another 5m-10m players and we have to remember PS5 will be backwards compatible too.

I'm not so sure about this.

To my knowledge no GT title has ever been free to download on PS+.
So if a 20 year old title has never made the list, I'm not sure why the latest game would.

Obviously I don't know if it will or not, but looking at history it would seem unlikely to me.

 

[rhalgr]

Imagine that instead of buying one loaf of bread and getting a 2nd one free, you instead enter into a contract where the transaction recurs once a week. Would you stop regarding those 2nd loaves of bread as free now that it's a recurring arrangement? The first one each week isn't zero marginal cost, but the 2nd one is, it's zero marginal cost every time.

It doesn't matter, if it is recurring. What matters is, if you need to pay to get access (to the offer). Is the offer for everyone or do i need to pay for an sub, membership, ... to get access to it?

Look no further than playing GTS or most games online on PS4. Its not free, because you can only do it when paying for PS+. If i only get the offer (pay 1 bread to get a second one at no additional cost) as an club member, then the second bread isn't free either, because i NEED to pay for the club membership to get it in the first place.

Yesterday i used sky to watch football. I didn't had to pay to switch the channel, but i had to have an sky sub, which costs money. There is even a word for it, called payTV. Netflix isn't free either, because you actually got to pay to get access. Same for PS Now or gamepass.

FreeTV is different, because you can easily access the channels for free.

 

[ImaRobot]

Thank you for your clarification.

8,926,999 profiles is still an impressive number for a game that is not given for free

PS the problem of multiple profiles or invalid profiles is common to all games

None of the games being talked about are given away for free.

IIRC on a recent live stream, one of the PG employees referred to new exclusive cars as being free. This is no different to regarding the game itself as being free on game pass, i.e. both are regarding zero marginal cost as synonymous with free. It's no different to a "buy one get one free" offer in a supermarket, so it is in accordance with common usage of the term.

You're grasping pretty hard here.

The car wasn't free because you've bought the game, so it's zero marginal cost. The supermarket item also isn't free, it's zero marginal cost, you can't have it for free unless you buy the first item. Without realising it, you've actually made my case for me by happily equating zero marginal cost with free in those two cases.

And here too.

On top of that, what exactly is the issue for some people that one game is played more than another? Why is this argument over semantics happening as the only reason I can tell is that people are, again, bringing Forza into a thread that it has nothing to with, only to try to argue that it's player count doesn't count because the game is free? Who Cares? And if you're one of the people that care, please explain why.

FH has 12mil+ in under a year, bolstered by the help of the GamePass.
GTS has 9mil+ in under 2 years, with no help.

You know what I see there? Two games doing extremely well in a genre that hardly sees the light of day compared to others. Yet here we are again, with the same people trying to constantly put down a game because they don’t like that it has more players, desperately trying to find any means to invalidate it for whatever asinine reason it is this time.

 

[KaiB]

Just end that discussion, if you make all the stuffs in your life so complicated just keep to yourself man, content it´s free period, people don´t have to pay more for their subscritions or memberships, the point is, you get free cars and tracks, you payed the game once.., you pay a fix value for the PS+ membership. All values are fixed you don´t need to pay extra for extra content simple has that, 2 pages to understand one simple thing can´t imagine when real complicated things show at your door.
People are refering to one thing and you mix all stuff and shake it very well and deliver nonsense.

Sry don´t whant to offend but is just to much XD.

Anyway this sales mean only good things for gamers..., racing games only will get better.

 

[rhalgr]

@KaiB
Who are you trying to talk to? You can @ someone or quote their posts ^^

 

[GT6mebe]

I really doubt any future GT title will ever break 10 million sales on one console. Maybe a cross-gen GT.

That said, I really do hope I am wrong. Because a life without GT is not the same. I will keep this hobby until I die, guaranteed.

GTS has only been out for three years and is already nearing 9 million players. By the end I would not be surprised if sales of GTS were 7-9 million.

If GT7 came out early in the PS5 lie cycle then 10 million+ is definitely within reach.

Its nice to see GT is still the big name.

 

[ImaRobot]

GTS has only been out for three years and is already nearing 9 million players. By the end I would not be surprised if sales of GTS were 7-9 million.

If GT7 came out early in the PS5 lie cycle then 10 million+ is definitely within reach.

Its nice to see GT is still the big name.

Was there a point where GT wasn't a big name? I don't think that's ever changed, and likely not to be changing any time soon.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

In this day and age, a racing game - a "sim", no less - achieving 8 million copies on a single platform is huge.