The clutch was nerfed in GT5 Prologue about ten years ago (see original thread). Before the nerf you could flat shift/power shift & you never missed any gears; you know, just like you can in real life. After the update, you had to come off the throttle to shift, otherwise, the game just threw you into neutral. You also had to push the clutch down a lot further to shift, otherwise, the game threw you into neutral again. This made it not only unrealistic but also extremely frustrating for most people to use the clutch & h pattern shifter. The exact same poorly designed & deliberately broken clutch model seems to have been copied & pasted into every single GT game since, including GT Sport.
The underlying problem is the incredibly stupid way certain people at PD "problem solve". Instead of fixing the loophole their bad game design by disallowing the use of both paddles & h pattern at the same time, & by changing the paddle shift delay on all cars to match the average h pattern shift time, they decided to break the clutch everywhere in the game instead. Ten years on & they still haven't learnt their lesson & have applied the exact same thoughtless & hurtful "solution" by nerfing the clutch some more.
The new "solution" in this update to disallow clutch in Sport Mode is also a pretty stupid decision as well, because, Thrustmaster T-GT owners who liked using clutch & h pattern in Sport Mode can no longer do so. Not only are they hindering sales of Thrustmaster add on products, such as their shifters & pedals sets, but they also seem to be on a mission to destroy the gaming experience of the customers of their official licensing partner Thrustmaster, not to mention all other clutch users. Also, when you turn on fully adjustable gearing, you cannot use the clutch to shift either (you could do this in GT5, but not from GT6 onwards). All this smacks of thoughtless, lazy, & utterly poor game design decisions by PD. It makes me wonder just how many Thrustmaster shifter/pedal sets have been returned over the years as "faulty" because of this...
If they simply do these four things, mentioned over & over again by the GT Planet community on these forums, it will solve all these problems:
1) Un-nerf the clutch; no more miss shifts/no more being thrown into neutral, no more pushing it all the way down to change gear.
2) Speed up the shift time for paddle users in all cars to match the average shift time of clutch/h pattern users.
3) Disallow the use of paddle shift & clutch/h pattern at the same time (to stop cheating via exploits).
4) Allow the use of clutch & h pattern when fully adjustable gearing is being used.
Now, paddle shifter & clutch users can compete together in Sport Mode & open lobbies with no real advantage or disadvantage to the other. Now, Thrustmaster customers who've spent hundreds on a T-GT & shifter & pedal set, can drive in all game modes & in all cars with or without fully customizable gearing using their expensive purchases. Now, everyone is happy.
Despite their collective genius in making the Gran Turismo series, sometimes Polyphony Digital can't even think their way out of a wet paper bag!
EDIT: Giving controller users access to the clutch via the analog buttons on the DS4 is way overdue too.
And actually allowing the throttle to be partly depressed as well, so the shifter can be used like an actual real world manual.Apart from maybe improving the clutch model by making it more progressive & less of an on/off switch.
This needs to happen!!!The clutch was nerfed in GT5 Prologue about ten years ago (see original thread). Before the nerf you could flat shift/power shift & you never missed any gears; you know, just like you can in real life. After the update, you had to come off the throttle to shift, otherwise, the game just threw you into neutral. You also had to push the clutch down a lot further to shift, otherwise, the game threw you into neutral again. This made it not only unrealistic but also extremely frustrating for most people to use the clutch & h pattern shifter. The exact same poorly designed & deliberately broken clutch model seems to have been copied & pasted into every single GT game since, including GT Sport.
The underlying problem is the incredibly stupid way certain people at PD "problem solve". Instead of fixing the loophole in their game design by disallowing the use of both paddles & h pattern at the same time, & by changing the paddle shift delay on all cars to match the average h pattern shift time, they decided to break the clutch everywhere in the game instead. Ten years on & they still haven't learnt their lesson & have applied the exact same thoughtless & hurtful "solution" by nerfing the clutch some more.
The new "solution" in this update to disallow clutch in Sport Mode is also a pretty stupid decision as well, because, Thrustmaster T-GT owners who liked using the clutch & h pattern in Sport Mode can no longer do so. Not only are they hindering sales of Thrustmaster add on products, such as their shifters & pedals sets, but they also seem to be on a mission to ruin the gaming experience of the customers of their official licensing partner Thrustmaster, not to mention all other clutch users. Also, when you turn on fully adjustable gearing, you cannot use the clutch to shift either (you could do this in GT5, but not from GT6 onwards). All this smacks of thoughtless, lazy, & utterly poor game design decisions by PD. It makes me wonder just how many Thrustmaster shifter/pedal sets have been returned over the years as "faulty" because of this...
If they simply do these four things, mentioned over & over again by the GT Planet community on these forums, it will solve all these problems:
1) Un-nerf the clutch; no more miss shifts/no more being thrown into neutral, no more pushing it all the way down to change gear.
2) Speed up the shift time for paddle users in all cars to match the average shift time of clutch/h pattern users.
3) Disallow the use of paddle shift & clutch/h pattern at the same time (to stop cheating via exploits).
4) Allow the use of clutch & h pattern when fully adjustable gearing is being used.
Now, paddle shifter & clutch users can compete together in Sport Mode & open lobbies with no real advantage or disadvantage to the other. Now, Thrustmaster customers who've spent hundreds on a T-GT & shifter & pedal set, can drive in all game modes & in all cars with or without fully customizable gearing using their expensive purchases. Now, everyone is happy.
Despite their collective genius in making the Gran Turismo series, sometimes Polyphony Digital can't even think their way out of a wet paper bag!
EDIT: Giving controller users access to the clutch via the analog buttons on the DS4 is way overdue too.
. 2 weeks ago miata race was so fun I learned how to heel and toe even won 1 race, Now thinking about using paddle shifters on miata in sport mode it makes me really sad, I hope they can find a better solution than disabling clutch and h shifter in sport mode.I'm new to gt series, I was so inspired by viper concepts videos so that I bought ps4, g29 and h pattern shifter
I guess in order to have this in sport mode they might not even have to nerf flat foot shifting because h pattern users will lose time down shifting if the use of both paddles and shifter is not allowed. If there is an advantage maybe a transmission/clutch damage model could be implemented. Sport mode aside there is no reason not to have fully realistic shifting in the rest of the game and possibly and option to switch between that and the current model in lobbies.The clutch was nerfed in GT5 Prologue about ten years ago (see original thread). Before the nerf you could flat shift/power shift & you never missed any gears; you know, just like you can in real life. After the update, you had to come off the throttle to shift, otherwise, the game just threw you into neutral. You also had to push the clutch down a lot further to shift, otherwise, the game threw you into neutral again. This made it not only unrealistic but also extremely frustrating for most people to use the clutch & h pattern shifter. The exact same poorly designed & deliberately broken clutch model seems to have been copied & pasted into every single GT game since, including GT Sport.
The underlying problem is the incredibly stupid way certain people at PD "problem solve". Instead of fixing the loophole in their game design by disallowing the use of both paddles & h pattern at the same time, & by changing the paddle shift delay on all cars to match the average h pattern shift time, they decided to break the clutch everywhere in the game instead. Ten years on & they still haven't learnt their lesson & have applied the exact same thoughtless & hurtful "solution" by nerfing the clutch some more.
The new "solution" in this update to disallow clutch in Sport Mode is also a pretty stupid decision as well, because, Thrustmaster T-GT owners who liked using the clutch & h pattern in Sport Mode can no longer do so. Not only are they hindering sales of Thrustmaster add on products, such as their shifters & pedals sets, but they also seem to be on a mission to ruin the gaming experience of the customers of their official licensing partner Thrustmaster, not to mention all other clutch users. Also, when you turn on fully adjustable gearing, you cannot use the clutch to shift either (you could do this in GT5, but not from GT6 onwards). All this smacks of thoughtless, lazy, & utterly poor game design decisions by PD. It makes me wonder just how many Thrustmaster shifter/pedal sets have been returned over the years as "faulty" because of this...
If they simply do these four things, mentioned over & over again by the GT Planet community on these forums, it will solve all these problems:
1) Un-nerf the clutch; no more miss shifts/no more being thrown into neutral, no more pushing it all the way down to change gear.
2) Speed up the shift time for paddle users in all cars to match the average shift time of clutch/h pattern users.
3) Disallow the use of paddle shift & clutch/h pattern at the same time (to stop cheating via exploits).
4) Allow the use of clutch & h pattern when fully adjustable gearing is being used.
Now, paddle shifter & clutch users can compete together in Sport Mode & open lobbies with no real advantage or disadvantage to the other. Now, Thrustmaster customers who've spent hundreds on a T-GT & shifter & pedal set, can drive in all game modes & in all cars with or without fully customizable gearing using their expensive purchases. Now, everyone is happy.
Despite their collective genius in making the Gran Turismo series, sometimes Polyphony Digital can't even think their way out of a wet paper bag!
EDIT: Giving controller users access to the clutch via the analog buttons on the DS4 is way overdue too.
Just a thought...
...I remember a game dev saying that it costs some ridiculous amount of money (tens of thousands) to get a game update approved & out for the PS4. So, I was wondering if PD has to pay the same or a similar amount to Sony for theirs? If they do, then wouldn't it have been better to employ someone to fix the loophole that facilitates cheating with the clutch, then un-nerf the clutch & improve it, rather than pay to break it with one update & then pay again to revert it back to what it was with another...
Well at least my finals ended so I have to move, I won't be playing gtsport for a while, I hope they revert this questionable change one day...
I was excited about this so I tested it out by going out on a time trial and purposely shifting while full throttle each time. However doing so resulted in a supposed bug where sometimes it lists a gear I was in as Neutral, and Neutral as some hash symbol. I'm guessing this wasn't intentional.
