Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup 2025 Exhibition Season 2: 12 Mar - 22 Mar)

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No Manu until June then 🙄

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Ah, that schedule has taken the wind out my sails immediately. All Gr. races? (bar an SF race).

Nations to me has always been about who is the best of the best in the huge array of cars that GT has to offer. Not just "drive the same Gr. cars you race everywhere else in Sport Mode."

The exhibitions going across the Honda Fit, the Citroen DS, the rally races, the Living Legend, etc. - that was way more in tune with what I want (and usually get) out of this series. Bit boring to just have it be a duplicate of the rest of Sport Mode, especially when Manu Cup is also only going to be Gr.3/Gr.4 anyway.
 
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Nebuc72
Ah, that schedule has taken the wind out my sails immediately. All Gr. races? (bar an SF race).

Nations to me has always been about who is the best of the best in the huge array of cars that GT has to offer. Not just "drive the same Gr. cars you race everywhere else in Sport Mode."
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I agree that they could’ve mixed things up a bit more, but it does look like there will be some fun racing. Hopefully there will be some different strategies and not just 1 meta for each race.

I’m looking forward to it.
 
So three weeks of competition per series per year.

I was hoping for at least two official online seasons... after a while the exhibition seasons feel a bit tired when there is nothing on the line.
 
Ok, I don't like the new schedule at all :crazy:

How much, exactly ? Well, I might not do THIS SEASON at all :guilty: In this time period (I may have already said that) I'm doing driving school for driving in real life :D but of course it's in the late evening, rendering impossible for me to do the wednesday races :(

All this will continue during at least until June, so the will to play with consistency is almost impossible :indiff: It's for the best that maybe I give up this season and focus on the Toyota Cup only, which I've already started and it has a much better schedule :)

Another thing that many have already pointed out: Nothing between August and December :confused: PD might be cooking something :odd:
 
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Nebuc72
Ah, that schedule has taken the wind out my sails immediately. All Gr. races? (bar an SF race).

Nations to me has always been about who is the best of the best in the huge array of cars that GT has to offer. Not just "drive the same Gr. cars you race everywhere else in Sport Mode."

The exhibitions going across the Honda Fit, the Citroen DS, the rally races, the Living Legend, etc. - that was way more in tune with what I want (and usually get) out of this series. Bit boring to just have it be a duplicate of the rest of Sport Mode, especially when Manu Cup is also only going to be Gr.3/Gr.4 anyway.
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The amount of Laps took it out of me lol
 
Losing interest in this game rapidly at the minute!

So Nations starts in 2 days! Yeah great bit of notice there PD.

Also the shorten races for GT2 & GT3 players is a right kick in the teeth. Why do I have race a shorten length race yet the GT1 players have double the race length? Is PD basically trying to tell me that because I’m not high enough ranked AND NOT GOOD ENOUGH AT THE GAME, I don’t deserve to experience the full game? Before someone tells me “this a good thing as it will make you push to improve on the game” that’s not a reason I’m afraid. Unfortunately some people will hit that talent limit and get to a point were they are unable to not advance any further and I personally feel like I’m near that limit. DR B maybe low DR A is where I’d say my talent is at.

First race is Spa, Fuel x2, Tyre x6. Hard and Mediums required. Last week we had this exact same race with few less laps. As for strategy they doesn’t look to be one from what I can see. Mediums will last easily 8-9 laps and then it will be 3 laps on Hards. GT1 league on the other hand has same tyre and fuel wear, but that race will have way more strategy options. Could be a 2 stop race that with double medium then hard, plus I reckon fuel will also be factor in that race.

7 races in the whole championship packed into two weeks? I’m hoping they will be a season 2 in sept-oct?

Right now I feel like I don’t want to even take part in this whole thing out of protest, but I’ll probs end up doing at least 1 of the race slots.

I see GT1 leagues are suffering with the times there slots run at. Last slot is 23:00? Who wants to race at that time of night?
 
I would've preferred Manufacturers first. I'm teetering on the edge of relegation to DR C, was hoping to race for Ferrari in GT2 before it happened. May do these Nations on my backup account (also GT2).

A decent schedule. I have no hopes for success in the Super Formulas or the Seaside rounds but the rest look ok.
 
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Thanks as always to @Hasnain282 for the schedule tables. I updated the original post with the latest info.

This format is terrible. I only run Manu consistently and now having to wait, and then have a race every three or four days over such a short time period is just crap.

As a GT1 driver I love the longer races but agree with everyone that PD is just saying to GT2 and GT3 racers "you'll never get anywhere so here, we'll give you short races so you don't hurt yourself."

I might jump into a few Nations races since there's nothing else to do anyway.

But as a whole I think this new format is WAY too compact and bunched together. What a disappointment. The very first FIA season in GT Sport was the best (IMO). Nice long season, one-and-done slots. All it needed was the longer races we have now.
 
Roggers
Also the shorten races for GT2 & GT3 players is a right kick in the teeth. Why do I have race a shorten length race yet the GT1 players have double the race length? Is PD basically trying to tell me that because I’m not high enough ranked AND NOT GOOD ENOUGH AT THE GAME, I don’t deserve to experience the full game? Before someone tells me “this a good thing as it will make you push to improve on the game” that’s not a reason I’m afraid. Unfortunately some people will hit that talent limit and get to a point were they are unable to not advance any further and I personally feel like I’m near that limit. DR B maybe low DR A is where I’d say my talent is at.
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I couldn't agree more.... it's really insulting to have these dumbed-down races in GT2&3. These are barely better than the daily Cs.
 
I will never be a high ranked driver, but I enjoy taking part a bit like being near the back at the London Marathon. I'm not the fastest but I am usually more consistent so longer races suit me better.

It's a bit surprising the short notice, almost as if PD have been trying to decide on things right up to the deadline...
 
icycls
I couldn't agree more.... it's really insulting to have these dumbed-down races in GT2&3. These are barely better than the daily Cs.
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I know they had long races in the past FIA seasons, and I’m willing to bet PD was looking at the metrics of how many people quit during a race, and came to the conclusion that there was a sharp drop-off point where GT2-3 guys would quit.

Also, from a real life perspective, having the more skilled racers go longer distances is common practice. If anything, it’ll incentivize the GT2-3 guys to just be consistent, stay in the race and you’ll get a good DR boost
 
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Nebuc72
Ah, that schedule has taken the wind out my sails immediately. All Gr. races? (bar an SF race).

Nations to me has always been about who is the best of the best in the huge array of cars that GT has to offer. Not just "drive the same Gr. cars you race everywhere else in Sport Mode."

The exhibitions going across the Honda Fit, the Citroen DS, the rally races, the Living Legend, etc. - that was way more in tune with what I want (and usually get) out of this series. Bit boring to just have it be a duplicate of the rest of Sport Mode, especially when Manu Cup is also only going to be Gr.3/Gr.4 anyway.
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Yes I agree, 4/7 races is gr3 & gr4 🙈 Well for me 3/6 then, because I am from poor little Finland, which I doubt will be in TOP12 countries 😓

In itself I don't mind the change to format, being about best country rather than best driver, makes the series feel fresh with something new to look forward to. I expect France, Japan, Italy and Brazil to be the favorites perhaps 🤔

But I feel like the 6 race season should be something like this:
1 round gr3
1 round gr4
1 round gr2/gr1
1 round super formula/rb x2019
1 round road car/sports car (several choices, with tuning?)
1 round road car one make

This way it would be more balanced imo, still plenty of racing car races which is the core, but Nations must have a couple road car races. There's no doubt about it.
 
Well. As much as I hate them cutting the races short for me it doesn't matter much as one weekend away takes out 2 out of 7 slots, so no way I can do anything useful anyway.

I think I'll just skip this. It seems as if nothing in it appeals to me. No road cars, short races, everything crammed together so I would be served divorce papers if I race it all
 
Yard_Sale
I know they had long races in the past FIA seasons, and I’m willing to bet PD was looking at the metrics of how many people quit during a race, and came to the conclusion that there was a sharp drop-off point where GT2-3 guys would quit.

Also, from a real life perspective, having the more skilled racers go longer distances is common practice. If anything, it’ll incentivize the GT2-3 guys to just be consistent, stay in the race and you’ll get a good DR boost
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I suspect the only reason we get shorter races is to make room for more slots.
If we had a choice between a longer race with less slots or a shorter with more I would be really interested in what people would choose.
Because I think the reason that GT2 and 3 has been running more slots is that there is no meaningful points in GT2 and 3 so you might as well run, while GT1 has most points first so people run once or perhaps twice
 
I admit sometimes I've felt those races to be too long for my taste:

-I think raining Spa was too long because it prevented you to join next split
-I didn't enjoy the DTM Audi at Brands Hatch
-I decided during warm up not to race at Interlagos last time

But I usually enjoy them. Also, long races is the only way to have actual strategy and nearly decent weather.

Ah, "diet version" of races also lack grid starts with penalty. One of my few strengths.
 
Wow that’s a tight schedule but teams 😁 Oh, that's only for the top few at the finals 😮‍💨 Maybe, if I do well I can move up....half the laps. So, not even enough time to recover when someone spins me to get to the front because half the laps. 💩🤬s!

I would be perfectly happy with less slots with more realistic races. I will stop in if I have time or feel like it, maybe. Okay, probably not. The grind looks more attractive.

🤔 If non of us GT2/3 people run the race, will PD change the format for the Manufacturers Cup?

On strike!
 
RacingGrandpa
I suspect the only reason we get shorter races is to make room for more slots.
If we had a choice between a longer race with less slots or a shorter with more I would be really interested in what people would choose.
Because I think the reason that GT2 and 3 has been running more slots is that there is no meaningful points in GT2 and 3 so you might as well run, while GT1 has most points first so people run once or perhaps twice
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Agreed on that too. I know when I would race in some my Alts that aren’t built up yet, I would routinely start an FIA race with 16 players and finish with 7-8 cars left. You never saw that in dr-A FIA races. Plus like you mentioned, less slots for the GT-1 racers puts more pressure on them to perform. Which is good IMO.

One thing this game does well in sport mode IMO is reward consistency. I’m one of those guys that probably doesn’t belong in GT-1 based on pace alone. But I got there by letting the Alpha-males squabble and crash themselves out. Which usually leads to a few rage-quits. Which always nets a few free positions to me, one way or another.

Combine these longer races with a new physics model that no longer rewards people just “video-gaming” their inputs anymore, I’m pretty excited. Even their one tire compound races with low-ish multipliers are looking to lend themselves to strategy with these longer races.
 
I mentioned before that I suspect PD has some data that makes them think that shorter races are preferred, but in typical PD operations, they won't say a word to explain their decisions. And I agree that the fewer slots can also be a problem. A case of...you can please everyone.

But I still think it is insulting.

Maybe they could have a 'fuzzy' area where you could choose your league? (But maybe not a C level in GT1, i'm already thinking of your counter arguments!) I hover around the A/B mark like a moth to a flame so it is not unrealistic for me to join GT1. I would take the fewer slots for a real 'meaty' long race. My strength, I feel, is consistency over pace, give me an hour long race and let me try to outlast you.

As for the DNFs, for example that spa race (which I loved!), where people likely DNFd to get into the next slot; make it so that if you DNF you get a 2-3 hour ban from joining another slot. Go ahead and DNF if you choose, but not so you can get into the next lobby.

Of course, this is an empty argument, PD will do what they do. But I don't have to like it, or even participate. (I'll likely participate.... but I can still be unhappy about it!)
 
RacingGrandpa
Well. As much as I hate them cutting the races short for me it doesn't matter much as one weekend away takes out 2 out of 7 slots, so no way I can do anything useful anyway.

I think I'll just skip this. It seems as if nothing in it appeals to me. No road cars, short races, everything crammed together so I would be served divorce papers if I race it all
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Why not just do the ones you want or can? It's not an all or nothing thing. I frequently skip races I am not interested in.
 

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