Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup 2025 Exhibition Season 2: 12 Mar - 22 Mar)
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- rodgers1
That wet race at spa a few month back was a joke I agree. People quitting as they were P8 and wanted to the next slot. I’d rather PD just make the slots every 2 hours if the races are to be over 1 hour.
DTM fun for me, but then I could argue the Nissan 350z race Fuji in Nation I didn’t enjoy.
Don’t think PD actually care apart from that top 1% of players who are trying to qualify. 99% of the player base then have suffer. If numbers did drop from these GT2 & GT3 leagues then I would assume they would look into it, but I suspect they would get enough numbers to still justify the change.
I think the biggest issue with the GT2 & GT3 racers is most of them are casual players who don’t really care if they lose DR/SR by quitting. Someone quit on lap 1 in my race at Daytona last month as they spun out. It’s things like that, that have meant we are now stuck with half distance races.
Would be nice if they was an option to select what race length you want to participate in.
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- GTP_Famine
Everyone gets seven online rounds. That determines the top 12 nations/manufacturers.
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- Fezzik1983
I think Saturday’s race is going to feel like an extra round of the Gazoo, but I don’t like the Sup so taking the Ferrari for a spin.
Car feels pretty good, a bit slow at the end of the straights but easily flat through the fast bends. The mediums gave up on lap 8 in a practice race, so a 5H/7M is probably the way to go for GT2/GT3.
Car feels pretty good, a bit slow at the end of the straights but easily flat through the fast bends. The mediums gave up on lap 8 in a practice race, so a 5H/7M is probably the way to go for GT2/GT3.
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- Zorzil
I'm very happy about the length of the races that PD seem to be moving towards, but I definitely feel for the people in GT2/GT3 who would happily take on a longer race but are being denied the opportunity.
I'd take it a bit further as well, I'm also a little disappointed about the choice of tracks. It definitely seems like there's a whole lot of repetition going on, and whilst I don't do daily races I think I've seen some of these tracks come up in there recently too!
Wholeheartedly agree. There are so many different cars in the game, having so many Gr.1/2/3/4 races in such a short season instead of using some road/rally cars seems like a waste.
I'd take it a bit further as well, I'm also a little disappointed about the choice of tracks. It definitely seems like there's a whole lot of repetition going on, and whilst I don't do daily races I think I've seen some of these tracks come up in there recently too!
- 24 laps of Spa in Gr.3 happened all of two months ago on March 11th.
- We just had the AE86 race at Fuji less than two weeks ago and the pre-tuned Nissans there on March 4th. Why are we going to Fuji again so soon?
- Interlagos came up in the Manufacturer season on April 15th.
- Dragon Trail Seaside was used in Manufacturers on March 18th.
- Grand Valley Highway in Gr.3 was a month ago on April 12th. The 30 lap version in this season also looks completely identical to the Toyota version that's scheduled for August 6th, barring the car restrictions for the Toyota event. Although considering how many Supras are in the leaderboards right now, that minor difference is pretty much a moot point...
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Will Fraga even be competing? Seems like he'd be fairly occupied with GT300.
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- Lorneonthecobb__
Am I going to participate? Yeah, sure.
This is I think the worst format for these championships they've done across the two games to date easily though.
This is I think the worst format for these championships they've done across the two games to date easily though.
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Another backward step for PD
They seemingly have no idea why GTWS was a success when they added it in GT Sport - everyone had something to play for, and there was variety in car selection as well as consistent events.
Now the only GTWS events for the entire year are within a one month period. Three round scores determine GTWS qualification for the entire year.
On top of that Nations Cup doesn't have any cars not in their overused Group categories.
Seriously the solution is for them to stop being so lazy and uncoordinated, and properly categorise and BoP the road cars in the game so that they're not sinking time into things like this week's Race A where they make a bespoke category with its own BoP for one race and then never use it again - not for them to just give up on any variety in Nations Cup entirely.
They seemingly have no idea why GTWS was a success when they added it in GT Sport - everyone had something to play for, and there was variety in car selection as well as consistent events.
Now the only GTWS events for the entire year are within a one month period. Three round scores determine GTWS qualification for the entire year.
On top of that Nations Cup doesn't have any cars not in their overused Group categories.
Seriously the solution is for them to stop being so lazy and uncoordinated, and properly categorise and BoP the road cars in the game so that they're not sinking time into things like this week's Race A where they make a bespoke category with its own BoP for one race and then never use it again - not for them to just give up on any variety in Nations Cup entirely.
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- Due West of Europe
Wrong.
Did you not care when you were GT2/3?
Is GT now so elitist that an imposed class structure based upon ranking will determine who is or isn’t worthy of the full racing experience?
Does this mean that I need only do half of the new time trial as I may get bored half way round and quit?
Joking aside, I am a realist and know that I will never get to GT1. That doesn’t mean I don’t care nor does it mean I don’t try to do my best. PD have made me feel like a second class citizen.
Their 6 sprint races comprise a fading shadow of what true Championships should be. An extended exhibition series at best is what we have been given.
To say I am insulted by the schedule and it’s content would be an understatement.
I started testing/practice earlier. Did 30 minutes or so before I realised what a total and utter unrewarding waste of time and effort this game has become.
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- Ulricehamn
If I do that it's no different from a race C. The one thing the GTWS has going for it as of this format, is the screen shot of my standings after the races. Good races can be found outside of GTWS, especially not that they cut all our races in half.
Running a race knowing you are a second class citizen to PD is no fun.
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What are the best cars for the tomorrows Nation race? other than Supra that is
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- jdeviant1983
I'm in two minds because surely part of the point of these test series' they've been doing is to identify the race combos that work well in this format, so of course we'll see some return as they're likely the ones they were most pleased with.
The schedule looks pretty good to me, I'm looking forward to something more substantial to take part in.
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- rodgers1
Me personally I do care when racing no matter what race I'm doing, whether it's Daily A, B or C, GTWS or even just racing with friends in lobbies. If I spin or get taken out, I'll get the car pointing the right way and carry on. Even if I finish last it's still good race practice to learn the tyres and fuel, rather than just going back to TT lobby and doing and doing what I'd call fake laps, as the conditions are classed as perfect due to the no tyre fade and fuel limits.
As for casual players, you will get casual players who don't care in all 3 GT leagues, but I suspect they are more people in GT2 & 3 leagues and I feel PD are tailoring the races towards that casual player base. I mean we have 10 slots to do each event, half distance races which looks like they will have less strategy. I mean it doesn't really feel like a competition this when you compare it to GT1.
I guess it comes down to what is your goal in this series? Race for fun and not care about points or race for serious and care about the points?
If PD had an end goal for GT2 & 3 players I just think things would feel more competitive. I mean PD are holding an online showdown for race 7 for those top 12 nation's/manufactures. Why can't PD do a similar thing for GT2 or GT3 leagues? Have an online event at a later date that the top 64 compete in?
The top 64 is split into 4 races. Then the top 8 from those 4 races then go into the semi finals. The next top 8 from those 2 semi final make he the final and then we crown a GT2 & 3 winner. I'm sure this can be done all online over 3 weekends.
This is the thing. Realistically GT2 is my level, maybe could just squeeze into GT1 if the right combo pops up in the daily races and I DR grind, but then it won't be a true reflection of my skill. Been demoralised because I'm not good enough (in PDs eyes) is like you say make you feel like a second class citizen.
These short races feel like like a regular Daily race for us, but with a qualifying session thrown in at the start. Personally I feel like what GT2 & 3 players have been given in the GTWS should be the standard for Daily C (quali & then a race every hour).
I can't race tomorrow as I'm out all day but would be interesting to see what the numbers are like for people participating in each league.
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Well i would say i'm really disappointed with this change of format but GTWS has largely been a disappointment for a while now so i'm not surprised by this. It feels like just another short exhibition. Not happy with having to wait another month for Manufacturers though.
I don't enter Nations, so haven't really got an opinion on the races chosen for it although i did notice the same old tracks again. I'm assuming it will be the same old tracks for Manufacturers too once we find out what they are probably 1 day before it starts! With only 7 races, i'm begging please don't stick Deep Forest, Trail Mountain and Autopolis in the schedule otherwise it will only be 4 races for me!
Please PD, Gr3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway!!
This whole division of GT1 from the the others does smell a little. Not all GT1 players are pushing to qualify for the word finals. Only 3 slots sucks and seems a bit insulting that they assume GT2 players etc don't want tire wear in qualifying and don't want longer races, or worse, aren't good enough for them. I don't mind the longer races, but personally when they're pushing 40 mins or more, thats too long for me. 30 mins is just about the limit of my attention span!
Can only assume this is some kind of push by PD to impress or appease sponsors.
I don't enter Nations, so haven't really got an opinion on the races chosen for it although i did notice the same old tracks again. I'm assuming it will be the same old tracks for Manufacturers too once we find out what they are probably 1 day before it starts! With only 7 races, i'm begging please don't stick Deep Forest, Trail Mountain and Autopolis in the schedule otherwise it will only be 4 races for me!
Please PD, Gr3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway!!This whole division of GT1 from the the others does smell a little. Not all GT1 players are pushing to qualify for the word finals. Only 3 slots sucks and seems a bit insulting that they assume GT2 players etc don't want tire wear in qualifying and don't want longer races, or worse, aren't good enough for them. I don't mind the longer races, but personally when they're pushing 40 mins or more, thats too long for me. 30 mins is just about the limit of my attention span!
Can only assume this is some kind of push by PD to impress or appease sponsors.
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Am I just part of the silent minority who have welcomed these changes?
I mean, working nights has never given me the best opportunity to race 'serious', but at least the 11pm slot for EMEA means I can roll home after my early Saturday shift and maybe get in a little practice before the event.
Wednesdays are still out, but oh well it's an improvement.
What I do find unfortunate is that my determination to stay in DR A has the unwanted effect of reducing my opportunities even further in GT1.
I mean, working nights has never given me the best opportunity to race 'serious', but at least the 11pm slot for EMEA means I can roll home after my early Saturday shift and maybe get in a little practice before the event.
Wednesdays are still out, but oh well it's an improvement.
What I do find unfortunate is that my determination to stay in DR A has the unwanted effect of reducing my opportunities even further in GT1.
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I am not defending PD's decision to nerf the race lengths of GT2/GT3, but I feel like they must know the rates of people finishing races and see that there are so many casuals who just give up too easily.
After thought about this dilemma a bit more deeper. For me the big issue is why do it to GT2. GT3 fine, those are mostly the newbies and if you are very experienced and still there, I don't know what to tell you 😅 So I don't mind their "junior treatment" and still give them a chance to get a feel for more serious races. But GT2, yes there are casuals who do not really care that much about racing and who barely practice, yet still have enough pace to be say B DR. But then there are the hardcore players, who take racing seriously, but still lack some pace to become A DR or higher. And players with potential to become GT1 drivers, but just aren't there yet, etc. A very mixed bunch of drivers. Why nerf their races?
I used to be B DR for a very long time in GTS almost one year I think. Then all of a sudden something clicked after a week I did lots and lots of races at Nurb 24h Daily Race C in an Aston Martin gr3. Gained lots of DR and then started to get top3-4 positions in FIA after that week, a few good dailies and got myself to A DR. Never looked back since. I can't understand why potential A DR and higher drivers in GT2 still should have to do shorter races, why should they not get the same treatment that they would meet in GT1 races? And if you're a hardcore average B DR driver you won't mind longer races either. Just doesn't make sense. Lots of GT2 drivers are potential GT1 drivers and there are hardcore players who just like racing.
And to end my rant, as a hockey fan this reeks of say AHL decided "right lads, you are not quite good enough for NHL. Therefore, enjoy the new game length of 30 minutes." 🙈🤡
After thought about this dilemma a bit more deeper. For me the big issue is why do it to GT2. GT3 fine, those are mostly the newbies and if you are very experienced and still there, I don't know what to tell you 😅 So I don't mind their "junior treatment" and still give them a chance to get a feel for more serious races. But GT2, yes there are casuals who do not really care that much about racing and who barely practice, yet still have enough pace to be say B DR. But then there are the hardcore players, who take racing seriously, but still lack some pace to become A DR or higher. And players with potential to become GT1 drivers, but just aren't there yet, etc. A very mixed bunch of drivers. Why nerf their races?
I used to be B DR for a very long time in GTS almost one year I think. Then all of a sudden something clicked after a week I did lots and lots of races at Nurb 24h Daily Race C in an Aston Martin gr3. Gained lots of DR and then started to get top3-4 positions in FIA after that week, a few good dailies and got myself to A DR. Never looked back since. I can't understand why potential A DR and higher drivers in GT2 still should have to do shorter races, why should they not get the same treatment that they would meet in GT1 races? And if you're a hardcore average B DR driver you won't mind longer races either. Just doesn't make sense. Lots of GT2 drivers are potential GT1 drivers and there are hardcore players who just like racing.
And to end my rant, as a hockey fan this reeks of say AHL decided "right lads, you are not quite good enough for NHL. Therefore, enjoy the new game length of 30 minutes." 🙈🤡
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With any change you get people who welcome them and people who recent them. Good for you that the changes suit you!
For me, I like the current slot times, as I too work irregular hours. But shortening the races in GT2/GT3 is something i absolutely, categorically hate. And to such extend them I am not sure if I even want to enter.
But can not play the game anyway at the moment due to some health issues and (hopefully) a holiday coming soon so by the time it is June I am likely really anxious to play again and might participate anyway.
If I do participate in the World Series I think I will sign up with Ferrari. Not really a fan of the brand but feel that both the Gr.3 and Gr.4 cars are relatively competitive and pleasant to drive. Made the liveries already....
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- yt_st3vao
I maybe wrong here, but here is what I think about the races in GT2 and 3 having less laps and softer rules:
I'm at DR A. Back in january this year my wheel broke, and I started to play in another account with the dual shock, started from DR E and went up to almost DR A with the controller. During this period I have entered some races in the the exhibtion series, when they had the same rules for all leagues. More Specifically the race in Spa that took almost 1 hour to finish, the lobby started with 16 players, 1 of them quit or disconnected during qualify, 15 started the race, but only 5 cars crossed the line at the end.
I think it's hard to please everyone, and I also don't agree with the rules being different for GT1/2/3 leagues, but I also think it's ok for it to be different, what I don't like and agree is that they give no option for you to be in a long or short race, the only determintating factor being our DR.
It is not the hardest thing in the world to get to DR A, but everyone has their priorities, someone maybe give it all to get to DR A and fail, while some other person don't really care about DR, and just want to race.
I'm at DR A. Back in january this year my wheel broke, and I started to play in another account with the dual shock, started from DR E and went up to almost DR A with the controller. During this period I have entered some races in the the exhibtion series, when they had the same rules for all leagues. More Specifically the race in Spa that took almost 1 hour to finish, the lobby started with 16 players, 1 of them quit or disconnected during qualify, 15 started the race, but only 5 cars crossed the line at the end.
I think it's hard to please everyone, and I also don't agree with the rules being different for GT1/2/3 leagues, but I also think it's ok for it to be different, what I don't like and agree is that they give no option for you to be in a long or short race, the only determintating factor being our DR.
It is not the hardest thing in the world to get to DR A, but everyone has their priorities, someone maybe give it all to get to DR A and fail, while some other person don't really care about DR, and just want to race.
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My take on the race lengths is slightly different. I don’t think GT2/3 have been nerfed at all. They look like the traditional race lengths. It’s more like GT1 has been changed to endurance races.
It’s going to fundamentally change the GT1 dynamic, whilst 2 and 3 remain as they were. As a GT1 driver I’m not yet sure how I feel about it.
It’s going to fundamentally change the GT1 dynamic, whilst 2 and 3 remain as they were. As a GT1 driver I’m not yet sure how I feel about it.
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- OJBrit
Well I don't like that the nations doesn't have much variety in cars.
I don't like that the races are not the same for everyone. I imagine the less slots in GT1 will impact the streamers which will mean less live talk on the events and less buzz around the game. That could be an own goal by PD.
I don't like that the races are not the same for everyone. I imagine the less slots in GT1 will impact the streamers which will mean less live talk on the events and less buzz around the game. That could be an own goal by PD.
Honestly that's not an issue. If people want to duck out of a race in a position with good points to enter the next race where they potentially get less points due to a DR drop after quitting then that's up to them. I'll take all the free positions, their points and DR.
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